Originally Posted by
DOWNTOWN43
Originally Posted by
Ghenges
Originally Posted by
DOWNTOWN43
Originally Posted by
PH3N0M3N0N
Originally Posted by
DOWNTOWN43
Originally Posted by PH3N0M3N0N
He'll be great...but the argument would always stand that he couldn't do it without Shaq should he not win another ring.
And when they look back at his career, he won't be the clear cut best during any season. (that's practically true now)
congratulations! you get the dumbest post of the week award!
you had always seemed like a relatively knowledgeable poster too.... is it hatred that is smothering your intelligence?
So you're saying that all these seasons that have passed with AI, Lebron, Wade, Arenas, PP(
) doing their thing and putting up numbers there hasn't been debates on Kobe being the best or not?
Hell even his mvp season had people arguing about whether Chris Paul deserved it.
Bottom line if he doesn't win a championship soon he won't be as highly regarded as he's been.
I have no hate against Kobe unless he's playing my team and he already knocked them off so yeah.
there are always going to be homers making idiotic statements.. just because someone can say their favorite player was better than Kobe doesn't mean they actually have any credence.
at the end of the day, any knowledgeable NBA fan will agree that Kobe OWNED 2004-2008. he didn't win a championship in that time period because of his team, but no one can deny that he was the best individual player in the NBA.
you are a Rockets fan, i'm never going to believe that you don't have any bias against Kobe. but whatever you say...
Second best player for the last 9 years.
Maybe I'll give him 2004 and 2006, but I would still take TD in those years if I had a choice.
I'm talking NINE YEARS and you people are pointing out a handful of games and plays.
You guys need to set your emotions aside when you talk about Kobe.
lol.. really now? really...
in 2006, Tim Duncan had plantar fascitis and had the worst season in his career to date.. he didn't even make All-NBA first team that year. and the Spurs lost in the 2nd round that year despite being the best team in the West. yet you just said you would take Duncan in the worst season of his career over Kobe Bryant's best season (and one of the greatest in NBA history). okay.
Tim Duncan has been the model of consistency, and he has benefited from being on a consistent TEAM and has had great coaching and talent around him for his entire career. but if you think Kobe Bryant was not playing at a higher level than Tim Duncan for a solid 4-5+ years (and i put the plus, because even now Kobe will continue to be better than Duncan until Timmy retires), i'm sorry but you are either a fool or a hater. which one is it?
TD was still the best player on the planet in 2006..just injured. He came back in 2007 and anchored his team to another championshp didn't he? IF you were to choose Kobe over TD in 2003, 2005, 2007 to anchor a team, then you're just blind. I'll GIVE you 2004 and 2006. But 4-5+ years during 2003-2007 playing better than TD? Bollocks.
And watch the name calling. If you're not going to be objective about it, don't bother responding to my posts.
I've said it before... 15% of the people in the S&T forum actually know sports, the other 85% are just here to cheer on their favorite team/player. Know where you stand.
i apologize for the insults, that was uncalled for.
2003 Duncan was better than 2003 Kobe.. i never said anything about 2003. that Spurs team was still so young and inexperienced, and Duncan just willed them to the championship. even though Kobe was a superstar at the time, i don't think he could have done what Timmy did that season at such a young age (he was 24 then).
the time period i am defining is the 2004-2005 to the present... Kobe has clearly been a better individual player than Duncan in that time period, and will continue to be.
the teams Duncan anchored were already the most talented in the NBA. Duncan didn't even win Finals MVP in one of their championships.. that's not a knock against him, it just shows you how much talent the Spurs have had.
but do you really think Duncan could have taken a weak team like the 06 Lakers to the playoffs? they started guys like Smush Parker, Kwame Brown, Chris Mihm... they NEEDED Kobe to score 35ppg just to be a decent team. you think Duncan could have averaged 35ppg on that team? i don't think so.
if i wanted a guy who would put his team on his back every single night and carry them to victory, i would pick Kobe. if i already had the most talented team in the league and i wanted a leader who could bring it all together, i would pick Duncan (although Kobe, if he wins the championship this year, would have played THAT role as well.. thus being better than Duncan in multiple facets).
In the last two years, yes, Kobe has been better than Duncan. However, I never said that he wasn't better than TD (in the last two years) in my originalpost.
That Spurs team was a great team. But who made them great? It was Duncan. The offense flowed through him. His teammates BECAME better players because he wason their team. How many open shots did he create for his teammates when he touched the ball? He also anchored their defense as well. Parker got the FInalsMVP in 2007 but Duncan was the player who took that team to the finals.
I do not believe for a second that the Spurs team would be considered 'the most talented team in the league' without Duncan. It's BECAUSE ofDuncan that those guys were able to shine.
Anyway, it's all subjective. We can agree to disagree.