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great post... specifically that last paragraph...Originally Posted by DOWNTOWN43
Kobe is my favorite player, but the stuff you're saying just has me dumbfounded.Originally Posted by TheYoungestGun
81 points, 61 at msg, 12 threes against sonics, 9 game streak of 40+ points, 55 in 3 qt.. besides you know that kobe can avg 30+ for a season easily, it is just not required for him to do so..
but tell me, what will he have to do to be considered better than jordan?
and chamberlain had a higher avg than jordan.. but he's center so that doesnt count right.. and jordan has more championships.. but wait then there's bill russell who had 11 rings..
Kobe has a lot of INDIVIDUAL game scoring records... if you say that Kobe is a more polished scorer than MJ was, i might be inclined to agree. but to say that he is "better offensively" than Jordan is just ridiculous. you'd rather take a guy who averaged 35ppg on .450 shooting over a guy who averaged the same 35ppg on .535 shooting? MJ was clearly a more dominant scorer.. Kobe is just a more skilled scorer (ARGUABLY).
and Wilt did NOT have a higher average than MJ.. again, do your research: http://www.basketball-ref...players/c/chambwi01.html
him being a "center" has nothing to do with it.. when you do the math (points scored/games played), Jordan's average is just straight up > than Wilt's.
Bill Russell was on some dominant teams, and he played in a different era... so he is not relevant to this discussion. MJ and Kobe's careers actually overlapped, so it is valid to compare them.
in the modern era, i just won't consider any player to be greater than Jordan unless they match his championship total (6), his MVP total (5), his Finals MVP total (6), his defensive dominance (DPOY, 9 All-Defensive selections), and his offensive dominance (10 scoring titles, shot a ridiculous .497 for his career). period. i might lean towards another player if they come CLOSE and show excellence over Jordan in other areas, but i doubt that will ever happen.
that's why IMO Lebron wont be able to be the greatest of all time... i highly doubt he gets 6 championships & 6 Finals MVPs & 5 MVPs...
but i think Lebron will get the closest int erms of the MVPs & the defense acolades