NEW YORK METS 2010 SEASON POST: Collins named New Manager

[mez 0ne]

LOL @ trading Reyes, how does that help? Wright? Buggin...

Team is very few pieces away from being a serious contender....and most can be
filled if the team keeps developing position players (ie Ike, Fernando, Meijia,
etc). You get a TRUE 2nd starter behind Santana in the off season and you follow
em with Neise/Pelf and any random 5th....keep the pen strong with KRod at the end.

The negatives of this season will only increase the likelihood of changes behind
made in terms of replacing certain players who dont contribute on a consistent
basis, and that is what we want.

Let @#$% play out....we got rid of some bad characters on the team and got
some positive ones like Bay, Franc, etc. When you win everything is fine and dandy,
few losses and its blow it up. Doesn't solve anything, you wanna watch another 10 yrs
of losing baseball? Work with what u got now and make changes in certain areas,
not in ALL areas. Guys like Gary Matthews (who will be traded), Tatis, Cora,, etc are
all useless.

 

[proshares]

Few losses this year isn't what's leading to the blow it up talks. The last few years have. And you mean a few pieces away from being a serious contender for the division correct? Because I don't see how a few pieces would make this team a serious contender for the World Series.

 

[airmaxpenny1]

Originally Posted by Mez 0ne

Team is very few pieces away from being a serious contender

Delusional...Team is far, far away.  You keep assuming these guys are the same they were in '06.  Really when was the last time Reyes was very productive?  When was the last time Beltran stayed healthy?  Pelfrey is closer to a 4th starter, his stuff isn't good enough to be a number 3.

The Marlins have managed to be basically just as good as us over the past decade despite almost zero payroll.  Why?  Cause when they see the gap closing, the shut it.  I would rather go through a string of some bad seasons with young, upcoming talent then maybe competing for a playoff spot with a bunch of overpaid guys.

 

[mez 0ne]

How is it being delusional, you the first dude to jump ship the second somethin goes negative.

Team with two top quality starters make the playoffs in this league even with a crappy offense, this league is watered down.

You gonna sit there and ask when waas the last time Reyes was productive like hes hurt all the time.
Dude missed a season, but before that started 150+ games for 4 straight years. You wanna judge him based off
two poor Septembers? That wouldnt be fair then.

If you get a legit 2nd starter behind Santana things would go a more positive route. Pelf was
had a really good outing showing a 3rd pitch yet u think he has zero upside (he's younger than me).
In that case Neise is garbage too he has zero upside, everything is just negative with this team

You can be down on the team thats fine, I'm negative too, but not everything is a negative on the squad
you gotta build around the good that you got...and trading Reyes will put us in 5th place every year.

People wanna blow *#%$ up 6 games in.....I've heard it all wow. Ya'll knew this team as is wouldn't
compete for the division, but that doesn't mean progress can't be made IN HOUSE with the
younger players being developed. This aiint a 1 season fix where the team will plug in
bad contracts...the team is past that. We got a good pen and closer and an ace (offense isn't
in tact yet)....get another top line starter and go from there, the bats will get going. The season can be
an interesting one with some mid-season call ups.

 

[johnnyredstorm]

I really can't take anyone serious that says trade Reyes and Wright. They're not even 30 yet. Mez is right that this team is 2 pitchers away from being a contender. 1 pitcher being a legit number 2 and the other being a guy that could win upward to 15 games a year, but is really a back end of the rotation guy with an ERA hovering around 4. The Mets could go in two directions this season:

Trade Beltran when he comes back to a team that needs that push to make the playoffs.
Package Fernando Martinez and everyone not named Jenry Meija for a starter.

As much slack as Omar gets, this team has some talent in the minors, albeit the more talented ones (obviously not counting Ike Davis) are 20 and younger, but so be it. You could get a pretty good pitcher from a deal consisting of Martinez, Murphy, Flores and Familia. Would I trade all those guys away, plus maybe another a prospect or two? Probably not, unless we're getting a bonafide ace that has at least 10 good years in front of him.

Fact of the matter is we missed out on a great opportunity to make an impact this year by going after Lackey. The guy was great today and is going to have a great season. I blame that on the Wilpons, but it's pointless to harp on that blunder, and we're better off looking forward to see what could be done.

I'd send Meija down, let him develop his secondary stuff and then bring him up next year whilst getting a good pitcher behind Santana. Looking quickly through the free agent starters for next year there's only Webb and Lee that are worth signing to fill our void for a number two pitcher. If it was up to me I'd either throw the house at one of them (being that they prove to be healthy for the remainder of this season and return to form) or at Carl Crawford and unload Beltran. If Beltran has a typical year when he returns we could use the prospects he brings in, couple them with Martinez and some of our prospects, and see if we can go after Greinke whom will be one year closer to free agency and a large contract. And I know the Royals would be nuts to trade Greinke, but if they're not willing to spend the money he's going to demand then I think we can grab him up.

Some of you guys act like we can't be good next year. All it takes is one or two moves to be made and we're right back to where we were in 06.

 

[mez 0ne]

Lackey was paid a lot and would've been perfect here, but they were set on Bay (Gado's bat
had to be replaced).....fact of the matter is Boston would've outbid us. They were 100% set on
getting him.

I am for NO trades unless its a def impact player who would benefit us for the long haul, otherwise
let everyone develop further, let Ollie rot away and take the L, Maine is a good guy but idk
whats up with his arm (he cant even hit 90 and hes 2......keep the positive stuff around and build from it, get rid of
the dead weight.

 

[shuges]

Originally Posted by JohnnyRedStorm

Some of you guys act like we can't be good next year. All it takes is one or two moves to be made and we're right back to where we were in 06.

Next year?? Man, what about THIS year? The majority of us understand that the team is flawed. And I really don't think anyone is bailing on the team. Most of us are obviously frustrated.

Speaking for myself, it's frustrating knowing that the team peaked and now seems to be heading back downhill even with all the major talent we have. allen said it in the Knicks thread... he doesn't think the Knicks should keep David Lee b/c if they can do all this losing WITH Lee, then what exactly is the reason to re-sign him? Sort of the same way I feel about Reyes, Wright, etc... I should have clarified my "trade Reyes" comments by adding "IF the team is horribly out of contention". (The difference between the Lee/Reyes comparison obviously is that Reyes and the Mets have had success whereas the Knicks have had zero).

I hate "throw-away" years. And to me, this season feels like a throw-away year. It's unacceptable to hear management insist that ownership is all about winning when any armchair GM can clearly see this team is NOT built for contention.

 

[d5]

Mets are stuck with this lineup for the rest of the year and I'm positive none of the pitching is going to improve.  I heard Jerry say that he didn't think the players were ready in the Nats series.  If the players aren't ready its the managers fault isn't it? So he basically blamed himself for not preparing them.  Next month when Beltran and Murphy come back if the Mets are still in this downward spiral then its seriously time for Omar to leave.  Passing up on Molina, signing Ollie instead of Lowe, Pinero too these moves right here could of made the Mets on the verge of improving.  Jerry needs to go and Omar needs to go, its time to face reality and clean house too.  Get rid of everyone.

 

[johnnyredstorm]

Originally Posted by Mez 0ne

Lackey was paid a lot and would've been perfect here, but they were set on Bay (Gado's bat
had to be replaced).....fact of the matter is Boston would've outbid us. They were 100% set on
getting him.

I am for NO trades unless its a def impact player who would benefit us for the long haul, otherwise
let everyone develop further, let Ollie rot away and take the L, Maine is a good guy but idk
whats up with his arm (he cant even hit 90 and hes 2......keep the positive stuff around and build from it, get rid of
the dead weight.

Personally, I'd fire Warthen and find the best damn pitching coach available. We made a huge mistake letting Peterson go. I know there were some gripes about him, but fact of the matter is he's ten times the coach than Warthen is. I'd also send Maine back to the minors (or BS DL him if he's out of options) where he could figure out how to pitch with diminished velocity and see if we can get Mike Mussina to give him some advice on adjusting.

You're spot on with the dead weight and black clouds hanging around this team. I'd get rid of Castillo, Tatis, and Jacobs. Tatis could probably still do well off the bench, but he's been with this team through all these disasters and I think it's time we start distancing ourselves from the players involved that won't effect our future. Bring up Ike Davis, let him play first and when Murph comes back throw him at 2nd and see if he could be decent there. If not, trade Murph and try and get some pitching or an actual 2nd baseman.

Mauel's also gotta go. I know it's not really his fault, but this team just needs new life and new people in the organization. I'd gut that entire staff and only keep HoJo because he's a solid coach and has done well with some of our players.

 

[d5]

LETS GO JEFF!!

 

[mez 0ne]

I love how Neise and Pelf have balls to pitch inside to all hitters no matter the situation...lovin' Neise's cutter.

 

[d5]

YESS OFFENSE!

 

[airmaxpenny1]

I'm starting to love Frenchie

@ Wright almost already having 1/3 of his total home run numbers from last year.

 

[nightruans]

in case anyone wants to listen in... the kids voice is wierd but he does a good job

 

[mez 0ne]

Humidor or not I hate games @ COL....but they have a good damn team. Neise is doing just OK today but he is throwing too many fastballs (where's the curve)?

Gonna be an offensive day.

 

[ddot7]

People who say to trade Wright or Reyes are out of their mind. Neither one of them is anywhere near the problem with this team and they're both BARGAINS with their contracts.

We would have a pretty solid nucleus with Wright, Reyes, Bay, Francouer.
If Beltran can come back, stay healthy and be productive, he's expendable to me.
We NEED to get rid of Castillo one way or another and get a 2nd baseman that has range and can actually hit the damn baseball. Someone who at least provides some type of threat. Our right side of the infield is awful right now.

The pitching staff: Santana is Santana, Sunday's start aside. Niese and Pelfrey are fine in a 3, 4 or 5 role. I'm still pissed that they didn't go out and get someone who'd be a legit #2...!#$+, even a #3 type guy. It's unbelievable that management and the Wilpons could possible think this team would be worth a damn with the same pitchers we had last year, more than half of whom were coming off surgery. So terrible.
It's funny though that the bullpen has been overall pretty decent, the starters have just put us in such a hole so far.

The biggest thing to me is that Warthen and Minaya need to go. Manuel...I don't know, I'm indifferent. I think we can do better, I think he's had such a bad pitching staff and I don't think Warthen is doing anything to help them, that's it tough to say.

 

[johnnyredstorm]

Manuel has to go to bring in new life. He's not the problem, but we have to eliminate all links to the past few seasons that are expendable.

 

[shuges]

Wanna get rid of Castillo? I say bring Soriano in and move him back to 2nd.

Or on a serious note, sign Jermaine Dye to provide a bit of pop off the bench.

 

[mez 0ne]

Jacobs provides nothing positive to this team, can't even move Bay to 2nd.

He wouldn't be starting on any other team right now.

 

[shuges]

Mets in business

 

[shuges]

Ain't score. Not surprised.

 

[ddot7]

Originally Posted by Mez 0ne

Jacobs provides nothing positive to this team, can't even move Bay to 2nd.

He wouldn't be starting on any other team right now.

I generally agree...but he almost just gave us the lead.  Too bad this team is doodoo with RISP.

 

[shuges]

 

[mez 0ne]

yeah but Jacobs is a worse 1st baseman than Gado can try to be, and its either a long hit
or nothing, he has poor instincts and doesn't adjust to situations (batting .100 so far),
get rid of him. Mets are dooing poorly with RISP but there is too much pressure on the
other dudes if Bay and Reyes don't contribute (w/o TRON they gotta get it going and
just find a way to win these close games). Our leads were given up twice within 5 minutes...and
and I know the Rockies are a good team expected to make the playoffs, but that game was there
for the taking last night.

Other than that, Neise fell in love with the fastball/cutter, gotta use the curve young man.

The pen has been EXCELLENT, but they will be taxed by May if starters can't go deeper.

 

[youngin33]

That inning right there is why the Mets are going nowhere fast. Wright at bat with 2 on, no out. Castillo gets caught stealing because Reyes doesn't go on a double steal. Then like the dumb player he is, Reyes goes and gets gunned down at third. And Wright strikes out. That is pathtic baseball and something that needs to be addressed.

Get Reyes off this team, please. His pompous, arrogant play is so tired it's not even funny anymore.