dblplay1212
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Gary is not a good hitter. Higgy isn't either but you act like sitting Gary hit sitting a key bat. It's not.
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I'm never going to say Gary can't be better, or is living up to potential. He could play better, and he hasn't lived up to what his potential is because 2016, 2017, and a good chunk of 2019 show us what his potential is.
But I wanted to look into something, so I looked up his last 4 years, 2018-2021.
Among catchers, there are 32 who have 800 plate appearances, the equivalent of 220 or so games over 4 years.
Here's where Gary ranks:
11th in GP
2nd in HR
5th in RBIs
4th BB%
7th Highest K%
3rd ISO
29th in BA
27th in OBP
6th in SLG
13th in OPS
12th wRC+
12th in WAR
That's with a bad 2018 that was filled with injuries and pretty bad 2020.
Let's just look at Gary this year :
1st AB vs. SP .272/.350/.609 in 92 ABs
2nd AB vs SP .145/.220/.277 in 85 ABs
3rd AB vs SP .240/.345/.600 in 29ABs (Small sample that 1 hit or 1 extra out drastically moves the needle)
1st AB vs RP .210/.340/.407 in 167ABs
2nd AB vs RP 0-8
There's something in that 2nd AB that he's not seeing. And that isn't just a Gary thing, it's up to coaching to figure that out. If you want to go career with Gary
SP 1st AB: .897 OPS
SP 2nd AB: .720 OPS
SP 3rd AB: 1.016 OPS
SP 4th AB: 1.016 OPS
RP 1st AB: .721 OPS
RP 2nd AB: 1.135 OPS
Having a low OPS against Relievers can be attributed to a lot of things, for example Stanton's OPS against a RP is 120 points less than starters.
But for Gary to have a 180 point drop in his second at-bat against a SP he's already seen and has success against, and has even better success if he faces them a 3rd time, there's something off there. What's the difference in approach, what is he seeing, what is he thinking. That's for a GOOD coach to figure out.
But I wanted to look into something, so I looked up his last 4 years, 2018-2021.
Among catchers, there are 32 who have 800 plate appearances, the equivalent of 220 or so games over 4 years.
Here's where Gary ranks:
11th in GP
2nd in HR
5th in RBIs
4th BB%
7th Highest K%
3rd ISO
29th in BA
27th in OBP
6th in SLG
13th in OPS
12th wRC+
12th in WAR
That's with a bad 2018 that was filled with injuries and pretty bad 2020.
Let's just look at Gary this year :
1st AB vs. SP .272/.350/.609 in 92 ABs
2nd AB vs SP .145/.220/.277 in 85 ABs
3rd AB vs SP .240/.345/.600 in 29ABs (Small sample that 1 hit or 1 extra out drastically moves the needle)
1st AB vs RP .210/.340/.407 in 167ABs
2nd AB vs RP 0-8
There's something in that 2nd AB that he's not seeing. And that isn't just a Gary thing, it's up to coaching to figure that out. If you want to go career with Gary
SP 1st AB: .897 OPS
SP 2nd AB: .720 OPS
SP 3rd AB: 1.016 OPS
SP 4th AB: 1.016 OPS
RP 1st AB: .721 OPS
RP 2nd AB: 1.135 OPS
Having a low OPS against Relievers can be attributed to a lot of things, for example Stanton's OPS against a RP is 120 points less than starters.
But for Gary to have a 180 point drop in his second at-bat against a SP he's already seen and has success against, and has even better success if he faces them a 3rd time, there's something off there. What's the difference in approach, what is he seeing, what is he thinking. That's for a GOOD coach to figure out.
dblplay1212
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I mean you can look to blame it on anyone but all I know is out of the last 4 years, he'd been *** 3 of them. 2019 is an outlier. I know you're a Gary Stan but he's just not good. Sucks bc I wanted him to be great but he's just not and it's time we all accept it.
dblplay1212
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Man if we lose today and Boston and Seattle or Toronto win, I'll puke. We'll have to burn Cole tomorrow too. Today is as close to a must win as you can have outside of an elimination game.
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They need to win 1. Win 1 you’re in.
lose 2 and everyone wins out. We play a play-in to play in the wild card.
lose 2 and everyone wins out. We play a play-in to play in the wild card.
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Today is the day
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Ah **** here we go again 
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Riz !! 
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Well there’s always tomorrow. SMH
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way to go Monty 
be nice if we wake up and start hittin ....
be nice if we wake up and start hittin ....
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ya that’s enough for me. Let me go enjoy my Saturday
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This is not fun
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i'd hand him a Metrocard, tell him beat it, don't even want u in the dugout
sodium levels are high .....
sodium levels are high .....
dblplay1212
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We're ******.
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Baltimore and LAA going to win today
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Just checked the score at work 
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4 way tie for the wildcard ? Looking like it
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Ken Singleton’s last ball game announcing is tomorrow. This day and weekend is the worst.
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Dam, we really **** the bed today ...
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Boone needs a scooter out there today
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Pathetic
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Does this mean Cole goes tomorrow ?
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On another note. I just bought like 50 Kenny Singleton cards.
If I can be an old man for a second.
I miss the old days when a guy would have 20-30 cards a year. Now each card has like 20-30 variations.
If I can be an old man for a second.
I miss the old days when a guy would have 20-30 cards a year. Now each card has like 20-30 variations.
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Miss going after school with $3.00 and gettin 2 comics, couple packs of baseball cards and a couple snacks , gettin a griffey rookie in there , one i still got
