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NFL Discussion Thread - Hall of Fame Game: August 3rd
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If I'm not mistaken, polians draft record stinks
....I remember that morning going to work...I was still living at home in college and my step dad is a huge Cowboys fan..he used that car marker thing and put go Cowboys..and Giants suck all over my windows...the amount of **** talking done after RW came up with the int was on another level
I was still in college too. I made sure I left super early for work that morning. I usually am up at 5 to hit the gym but I went straight to work that day...was still too late. They put a Eli fathead on my door and all the back pages of the newspapers were taped to my computer screens.
Fun times
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Bill Polian. I posted this earlier in the season.
I posted this earlier in the season.I've noticed that they're using a lot of Bill Polian on ESPN to comment on teams, scouting, and their front offices. Since my wife is a Colts fan, I follow them pretty closely and really want to know... how? Why does he have a job? From like 2004 onward, his drafts were so incredibly bad and Matt Millen-esque that I could do nothing butat them.
Well, I had a little downtime today and decided to look back on Bill Polian's tenure with the Colts. Let's take a look at this 'scouting genius' and his picks that panned out (I'm talking above average guys, not the Jacob Tamme's of the world):
1998 - Peyton Manning and Steve McKinney. Can't argue there.
1999 - Edge, Mike Peterson, and Hunter Smith. Great draft, even if Mike Peterson did most of his work after Indy.
2000 - Marcus Washington. Ended up a Pro Bowler in Washington.
2001 - Reggie Wayne and Ryan Diem. Studs.
2002 - Dwight Freeney and David Thornton. Finally hit on some defense that stuck.
2003 - Dallas Clark and Robert Mathis.
2004 - Bob Sanders. DPOY!
2005 - Nobody. Kelvin Hayden had nine picks in six years.
2006 - Antoine Bethea. Joseph Addai is already out of the league. Coulda had MJD.
2007 - Nobody. Drafted nine guys, got a combined 95 starts out of them.
2008 - Pierre Garcon. Also drafted Marcus Howard, Tom Santi, Steve Justice and Mike Hart...
2009 - Nobody. Austin Collie was good for a season. Curtis Painter, Donald Brown? Not like he could have had, you know, LeSean McCoy.
2010 - Nobody. Pat Angerer is still around and injury prone.
2011 - Anthony Costanzo... I guess.
First round whiffs? Jerry Hughes, Donald Brown, Anthony Gonzalez, Joseph Addai, Marlin Jackson. His last decent first round pick was DALLAS CLARK IN 2003.
:x :x :x
How do guys like him and Matt Millen have jobs? How?
Can an NFL team take a flier on me and let me **** their franchise up for years so I can work as an analyst?
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Suuuuuuureee...
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Not surprised about Polian's recent track record, I remember him saying somethings I disagreed with about this Draft Class on Espn
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I hope those early season losses to Seattle & Buffalo don't come back to bite us, considering we were in great spots to win both, but 4-3 with control of our season for a change feels good.
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are there are a lot of GMs with a better pedigree over that long of a stretch ? id guess no , but i honestly havent looked at the data to prove that
id also argue him taking Peyton over Leaf is extremely significant and cant be ignored
id also argue him taking Peyton over Leaf is extremely significant and cant be ignored
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Truly hitting on or getting lucky with a quarterback makes or breaks probably 90% of a GM's tenure/career (a guess).
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There are a lot of star players listed in those drafts, I don't think Polian is a superstar GM but it's not as bad as you are presenting
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Not hitting on a first round pick for 8 straight years, while whiffing and doing absolutely nothing in the draft his last five years is definitely 'that bad.'
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He drafted Peyton Manning, Edgerrin James, Dwight Freeney, Robert Mathis, Steve McKinney, Mike Peterson, Reggie Wayne, Ryan Diem, Dallas Clark, Antoine Bethea and Pierre Garçon. A lot of people could have drafted Lesean McCoy. And Gonzalez and Collie would have had a lot better careers if not for injuries. Addai gave them some solid years as a starter he wasn't terrible.
Not as bad as you're making it out to be. He didn't go out and get the big name signings or anything though to put them over the top.
Not as bad as you're making it out to be. He didn't go out and get the big name signings or anything though to put them over the top.
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Addai was terrible, don't use the injury card, and nice list of players from 2003 and before. Go ahead and give me a list of his big FA signings while he was in Indy, too.
He sucked *** for 8 years and was fired. The Colts have one draft and go to the playoffs. They're about to do it again... with an offense full of players drafted AFTER Bill Polian.
Most overrated GM in recent history.
He sucked *** for 8 years and was fired. The Colts have one draft and go to the playoffs. They're about to do it again... with an offense full of players drafted AFTER Bill Polian.
Most overrated GM in recent history.
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That's what everyone was saying after the draft. Gunna also called him NoShake Addai.
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I might! If there's some games I've sort of bookmarked that I want to go back and watch, and I do, I'll do the same thing.
Jim Irsay isn't the most reputable source with his spewing and live from the bar-type interviews, but he was just slandering Polian's name to the national media when backtracking on his Peyton comments.
Polian was lights out early on, and then he started lighting dumpster fires. That's indisputable sort of. And due to that, the guy should respectfully have his job taken from him. You can't live off guys that you drafted that either don't play for your team anymore or are enjoying retirement.
Collie and Gonzalez had injuries, but it's not like they would've been that great where Polian has a legitimate "injury card" excuse. More specifically, Anthony Gonzalez was a first round pick and in the first two healthy years didn't do anything all THAT spectacular. Very solid second year, but nothing we can't easily give Peyton credit for. If both had remained healthy then yeah, they're serviceable, but just another couple guys that you can't build around. And you can group them with the previous 6-7 years of Polian's whiffs on finding actual guys you can build around.
It's an insult that you're comparing Millen to Polian though, Chester.
I mean, Millen never even had that early track record of guys like Peyton, Edge, Bob, etc. that Bill had. Millen was on another level. 
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Here's a really good article on the Colts under Polian:
http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-t...pse-of-the-colts-has-been-years-in-the-making
A snippet (this is referring to the Colts going from 12-4 to 0-13):
http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-t...pse-of-the-colts-has-been-years-in-the-making
A snippet (this is referring to the Colts going from 12-4 to 0-13):
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Where did you find the game? Online? Youtube?
Go back and watch the 2007 Jaguars in the both the Wild Card round (vs. Pittsburgh) and the Divisional round (vs. NE). I remember both of those games being extremely competitive, exciting and some of the best playoff games I had seen in years.
Edit: Scratch that second game (I think). The other two that stood out were SD vs. Indianapolis and then SD vs. NE. I believe SD was playing NE extremely well, but just didn't come through. Either way, the 2007 AFC playoffs is still one of the best I can remember.
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*Looks at Vikings picks after that article*
2013 - Shariff Floyd, Xavier Rhodes, Cordarelle Patterson. Floyd and Patterson are barely used, Rhodes flips between being the target but also making plays.
2012 - Matt Kalil, Harrison Smith (studs. One current Pro Bowler (who actually has been pretty pedestrian this year), perhaps a future Pro Bowler as well).
2011 - Christian Ponder :x, but also Kyle Rudolph, another Pro Bowler.
2010 - Chris Cook, Toby Gerhart
2009 - Percy Harvin, Pro Bowler/ROY. Phil Loadholt, not having a great year, but pretty good.
As for the Giants, Prince has been pretty okay, Justin Pugh has at least held his own. But again, no impact players. Marvin Austin plays for the Cowboys now, Jerrel Jernigan barely sees the ball despite some talent (which they might as well take a look at now), Rueben Randle was a pretty decent pick so far, Jayron Hosley is as indifferent as it gets, we'll see about Nassib in the future. Hmmmm, on to something here. Seems like a pretty good angle for teams that suddenly take a dive. Vikings might be the only exception, because Pro Bowlers should nix the busts a bit, but the QB position and failure to get defensive playmakers (outside of Harrison) has been an issue.
And I'd actually be interested in going back and watching the Jaguars when they were actually not awful, for those 2 years. I swear it's either they're awful or making a run. Less of the latter.
2007 playoffs in general though. AFC was great, but NFC you had the Giants run, Favre's last game in Green Bay, #1 seed going down, Todd Collins starting a playoff game LOL.
And yeah that Cowboys-Giants 2008 Divisional Game is on YouTube. Just do a search with that once you get to YT.
2013 - Shariff Floyd, Xavier Rhodes, Cordarelle Patterson. Floyd and Patterson are barely used, Rhodes flips between being the target but also making plays.
2012 - Matt Kalil, Harrison Smith (studs. One current Pro Bowler (who actually has been pretty pedestrian this year), perhaps a future Pro Bowler as well).
2011 - Christian Ponder :x, but also Kyle Rudolph, another Pro Bowler.
2010 - Chris Cook
, Toby Gerhart 2009 - Percy Harvin, Pro Bowler/ROY. Phil Loadholt, not having a great year, but pretty good.
As for the Giants, Prince has been pretty okay, Justin Pugh has at least held his own. But again, no impact players. Marvin Austin plays for the Cowboys now, Jerrel Jernigan barely sees the ball despite some talent (which they might as well take a look at now), Rueben Randle was a pretty decent pick so far, Jayron Hosley is as indifferent as it gets, we'll see about Nassib in the future. Hmmmm, on to something here. Seems like a pretty good angle for teams that suddenly take a dive. Vikings might be the only exception, because Pro Bowlers should nix the busts a bit, but the QB position and failure to get defensive playmakers (outside of Harrison) has been an issue.
And I'd actually be interested in going back and watching the Jaguars when they were actually not awful, for those 2 years. I swear it's either they're awful or making a run. Less of the latter.
2007 playoffs in general though. AFC was great, but NFC you had the Giants run, Favre's last game in Green Bay, #1 seed going down, Todd Collins starting a playoff game LOL.
And yeah that Cowboys-Giants 2008 Divisional Game is on YouTube. Just do a search with that once you get to YT.
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... because of Andrew Luck , arguably the most sure QB prospect in the last decade and a half
by the way -- who is Andrew Luck's favorite target , and by whom was he drafted ?
Addia's numbers . Pro Bowler in 2007
That's why he's out of touch most of players you listed were drafted in the early 2000s
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Who was the leading rusher on the Colts last year? A rookie. You're right, though... he did have Reggie Wayne.
He also had a rookie who caught 50 balls for 800+ yards, a FA signing who caught 60 for 750+, and two rookie TEs who caught 750+ yards combined.
"All Andrew Luck"
And LOL @ those stats. Pro Bowl + 6 year career + 57 yards per game + one full, injury free season.
Bill Polian.
He also had a rookie who caught 50 balls for 800+ yards, a FA signing who caught 60 for 750+, and two rookie TEs who caught 750+ yards combined.
"All Andrew Luck"
And LOL @ those stats.
Pro Bowl + 6 year career + 57 yards per game + one full, injury free season. Bill Polian.
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Where did you find the game? Online? Youtube?
Go back and watch the 2007 Jaguars in the both the Wild Card round (vs. Pittsburgh) and the Divisional round (vs. NE). I remember both of those games being extremely competitive, exciting and some of the best playoff games I had seen in years.
Edit: Scratch that second game (I think). The other two that stood out were SD vs. Indianapolis and then SD vs. NE. I believe SD was playing NE extremely well, but just didn't come through. Either way, the 2007 AFC playoffs is still one of the best I can remember.
That's one of those games where it's high scoring but both defense played amazing (Jax/Pit). Seeing that MJD makes me sad he's where he is now in only 6 years.
Billy Volek
SD played well against NE but their offense just stack up the joint.
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over/under on next injury....15 snaps
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