NFL Discussion Thread - Hall of Fame Game: August 3rd

[ThaxbyChamblis]

rodgers is throwing the ball to cobb so you have to take that into account.

Yeah, AR12 doesn't get Cobb the ball nearly enough

 

[CP1708]

That widen the field garbage = Arena league 63-58 games = the beginning of the end.

The day will come...

 

[sb]

That widen the field garbage = Arena league 63-58 games = the beginning of the end.

The day will come...

stupidest idea ever. if they pass this stupid change i agree it will be the beginning of the end.

 

[mmg]

Funny thing is I think if they widen the field injuries might be worst.

Gonna give these guys even more time to build a full head of steam

 

[mmg]

Funny thing is I think if they widen the field injuries might be worst.

Gonna give these guys even more time to build a full head of steam

 

[checks grossman]

Funny thing is I think if they widen the field injuries might be worst.

Gonna give these guys even more time to build a full head of steam

Ed Reed is somewhere smiling

 

[cash money 1999]

and trying to remember what he had for breakfast

 

[651akathepaul]

Wider field and no kickoff. Guarantee if both those two things happen, I'm done. That's OD and not the game that I grew up playing.

 

[SneakerProSr.]

Wider field and no kickoff. Guarantee if both those two things happen, I'm done. That's OD and not the game that I grew up playing.

I wonder what people like you said when the NBA introduced the 3 point line.

 

[Clyde Frog]

Yea but in hindsight the 3 point line ended up being awesome.

Football isn't broke. The game is perfect the way it is outside of the safety issues.

 

[651akathepaul]

Wider field and no kickoff. Guarantee if both those two things happen, I'm done. That's OD and not the game that I grew up playing.

I wonder what people like you said when the NBA introduced the 3 point line.

Oh...And what kind of people am I?

The NBA added and they didn't keep pushing for change after change that completely changed the complex of the sport. The NFL is about to take away. While were at it...Let's get rid of second base. It'll make the game more "interesting." Might as well move the fences in 50 ft too. We'll have more home runs and teams will score more runs. Yippee!!!!

My point was...This NFL that's being envisioned is not for me. It will have changed so much that it won't be the same game that appealed to me and many others in the first place. It will have its fans though.

 

[SneakerProSr.]

Wider field and no kickoff. Guarantee if both those two things happen, I'm done. That's OD and not the game that I grew up playing.

I wonder what people like you said when the NBA introduced the 3 point line.

Oh...And what kind of people am I?

The NBA added and they didn't keep pushing for change after change that completely changed the complex of the sport. The NFL is about to take away. While were at it...Let's get rid of second base. It'll make the game more "interesting." Might as well move the fences in 50 ft too. We'll have more home runs and teams will score more runs. Yippee!!!!

My point was...This NFL that's being envisioned is not for me. It will have changed so much that it won't be the same game that appealed to me and many others in the first place. It will have its fans though.

Between 79-81 the NBA introduced the 3 point line and got rid of zone defense. Those were two huge changes in a short period of time.

The NFL will continue to evolve and people will eat it up.

 

[mertonhanks]

Football isn't broke. The game is perfect the way it is outside of the safety issues.

Football is FAR from perfect, even without the safety issues. The NFL would only make rule changes to benefit offenses, like they've been doing the past 20 years. Goodell doesnt give one damn about player safety.

 

[Clyde Frog]

Offenses are changing because they're making rules to protect people which would be a safety issue. I'm talking about the fundamental rules of the game. Like how many players can be on the field or how many points a FG is worth. No need to go start changing the actual size of the field, it'll change the whole game.

 

[dmxfury]

I already watch and care less with how the game has changed. I have no problem continuing that. F Roger

 

[elpablo21]

Player Safety = Making the defensive side obsolete

 

[jjs07]

If the NFL wanted to do something about player safety, then they'd flag dudes on offense for leading with the crown of their helmets when trying to truck a defender.

 

[fraij da 5 11]

 

[mmg]

Was gonna post that fraij.

And Steven Ridleys impact with Pollard.

 

[651akathepaul]

Pretty sure the NBA didn't get rid of the zone defense. They just added stipulations to keep the flow of the game running more smoothly. It's really hard for me to say for sure what it did to the game entirely from a fans perspective because I wasn't even born yet.


Look, we can bicker back and forth about this all day. All I'm sayin' is that personally, this is no good to me. I was drawn to this game because of how it was played. I loved the hard hitting, the controlled violence, if you will. I played the game for 16 years and loved loved loved the impact of two players colliding.

I just feel all these "small" changes will add up in the long-run and it just won't be the same. That's tough to imagine. It's even tougher to think about this game changing too much to the point where I don't even care to follow.

Maybe I should've moved to the Midwest as a kid and played hockey. I don't know.

 

[651akathepaul]

If WR Harvin, Vikings part ways, some team will get a star

Spoiler: Warning: Spoiler!

The Minnesota Vikings will not get fair value for do-everything receiver Percy Harvin, and they know it. They just might have to deal him anyway.

And if they do, he should end up being the highest paid of all wide receivers to change teams this offseason, and for good reason. If I were running a team, Harvin would leap to the top of my receiver wish list. I'll take Harvin at, say, $12.5 million a year over Mike Wallace at $11 million or Greg Jennings at $10 million, even if I have to give up a second-round pick and then some to get him.

Harvin has already displayed that he can be a difference maker on an offensively inept team, and heaven only knows what the dynamic and versatile threat could accomplish on a contending team that had a capable quarterback and a few other weapons around him in the passing game. It's a luxury that some lucky offensive coach (Andy Reid, anyone?) just might get to partake in come the 2013 season, given the bind in which Vikings general manager Rick Spielman find himself.

Harvin, who briefly requested a trade a year ago before mending fences with coach Leslie Frazier, is not going to play for $2.9 million (the amount left on his rookie deal) this season. This, too, the Vikings know. And despite trying to explore options to extend Harvin since before the start of the 2012 season, well, things have gone pretty much nowhere. Yes, the sides will discuss the matter again during the combine, but even then I'd be surprised if there were any monumental breakthroughs.

So, much like the Jets with Darrelle Revis, the Vikings -- short of giving Harvin $25 million guaranteed and somewhere around $13 million a year themselves -- must analyze whether it makes more sense to deal Harvin now for what you can get for him, or watch him leave for nothing but a compensatory pick a year from now. It's an unenviable position to be in, as the rest of the NFL is acutely aware of what is transpiring, and thus Spielman is not in a position of strength to accrue maximum return for Harvin on the trade market.

He's not going to get a first-round pick for Harvin, despite him being a first-round talent, given these circumstances. But for a player who has clearly been uncomfortable with the Vikings' offensive direction -- or lack thereof -- at various times during his brief career, and with Minnesota hard against the cap (restructuring Jared Allen is a must, while key parts of the offensive line are hitting free agency), and Harvin quite possibly not a part of their long-term future anyway, the Vikings' best bet may be to shop him around now, despite the fact that Minnesota is already desperate for playmakers in the passing game to try to boost the team after last season's surprising playoff run.

As for other general managers, especially those sitting on mounds of cap space and in need of match-up nightmares on offense, well, Harvin must be seen as the best available. For all of the depth of this wide receiver class, Harvin is younger than Wes Welker, far more versatile that Wallace, no more fragile than Jennings and more consistent than Dwayne Bowe.

What's more, Harvin can help you win a football game on every down. He is one of the best return threats in the NFL and an elite slot receiver. Of course, you can also line him up out wide. And he proved to be a game-changer out of the backfield with the Vikings as well, the best back on the team not named Adrian Peterson. If you want to run some read-option/Wildcat stuff, well, he could quarterback that for you if need be. He is too fast to be covered by most, and his agility and improvisational skills make him a perfect fit for this pass-happy/spread formation era of football.

Harvin is just entering his prime and seems to have put his migraine problems behind him. This is someone who was a legitimate MVP candidate last season before getting hurt and someone who can match up among the best in the game at several different positions. And let's not pretend that these other receivers are a sure thing, as Jennings has been oft-injured and is nearing age 30, Bowe drops plenty of balls, Wallace wilted under the pressure of playing in a contract year in 2012 following his prolonged hold-out, and it's also worth noting that Wallace and Jennings have played with future Hall of Fame quarterbacks while Harvin has played, with, well, pretty much no one.

Also, I can't state this strongly enough: Harvin doesn't turn 25 until the end May. He's younger that Colin Kaepernick, for goodness sake, despite entering his fifth NFL season. And he can beat you in the screen game. He can beat you in the intermediate passing game. He can beat you in the deep game. And he can beat you carrying the football.

I understand the injury concerns. I understand some of the issues of attitude and clashing with coaches. But I have talked to enough of his teammates to understand some of Harvin's frustrations with the lack of a full-bodied offensive attack with the Vikings, and to a man his teammates say he is driven to win. He can be immature and he's made some mistakes, but no one this talented hits the trade market this young unless there have been a few bumps in the road.

I'd take my chances with him.

In terms of yards after the catch, his numbers last season were nearly identical to those of Darren Sproles, again, without being a part of an offense nearly as balanced as the New Orleans', and without Drew Brees getting him the football. All he's done is average a ridiculous 6.4 yards per carry in his career. He has five career return touchdowns. His average of 74 scrimmage yards per game -- from 2009 to 2012 -- puts him right with receivers like DeSean Jackson and Vincent Jackson, and among all players with at least 50 rushes and 100 receptions since 2009, Harvin's average of 10.3 scrimmage yards per touch is far and away tops in the NFL.

I'm having a hard time even coming up with a large list of individuals who approach at least 100 rushes and at least 250 receptions since 2009 -- numbers Harvin eclipses despite the time he has missed. Sproles has at least 250 catches and rushes since 2009, in 61 games, and averages 7.1 per touch with 26 touchdowns; Harvin has 10.3 per touch with 24 touchdowns in 54 games, and is a more explosive and complete receiver than Sproles, obviously.

Harvin's game can't be captured in stats, however. To watch him sneak out of tight spaces and create yards where there are none, and explode downfield despite everyone on the other side keying on him in the passing game, and despite playing on teams with no semblance of a downfield threat, is to be pulled from your seat.

The young man is a football player, plain and simple, and his best is yet to come. Unfortunately for Spielman and Vikings fans, that just might transpire elsewhere.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/21688136/if-wr-harvin-vikings-part-ways-some-team-will-get-a-star

 

[mmg]

Ok.

2nd rounder for Percy

Him running behind our ZBS

:x

 

[651akathepaul]

Only thing I don't like about that article is that it mentioned that some of the other top tier WR's on the market played with Hall of Fame quarterbacks, while Harvin has not come close to that. Harvin was on that 2009 team that was led by Brett Favre. He may have been in the twilight of his career, but it was his best statistical season. So he was wrong on that.

Also, he was underutilized on that team as well. I understand he was a rookie, but they also had more weapons and like I said...He fits Minnesota perfectly because they utilize him everywhere and get him the ball all the time. Get him on a team with much more weapons and that's probably not the case.

 

[Chester McFloppy]

Harvin to San Fran, please.

 

[david bowman]

Can someone tell me the exact date when people started to hate football played in the elements?

The nfl has a contingency plan to move the date ahead or back if it's "bad weather"

Both skip and SAS complaining and whining about the super bowl in NY.

What the ****. When did this happen? The only time I play is in the snow. I don't get it. Strange to hear it