NFL Discussion Thread: Pats win SB XLIX. Offseason begins

[captainsneakerhead23]

See how easy it is to call another man stupid when in reality he really might have a legit mental issue/disorder.


You guys keep mentioning weed when he didn't even get suspended for weed this time (unless I missed that info).

 

[jpzx]

Who called him stupid for his recent ordeals and demons?

 

[IATT]

I don't give a crap if these dudes are lighting up either.  But the fact is that the structure of the NFL doesn't allow use of weed and they get drug tested for it.  Hes had the opportunity to make tens of millions of dollars and hes flushing money down the ****ter every time he fails a test.

Why am I supposed to feel bad about a dude consistently breaking the rules that his employer has laid out in big 2nd grader sized letters for him?  I wish he wasn't so stupid because hes a top talent but its only his fault that he keeps getting suspended.

considering the actions of his employer, I'm not going to automatically side with them..

but to an extent I agree with you.. for as much as I consider the things the NFL may be testing for to be BS.. my main concern for all eagles players, is being available to play on gamedays.. which Gordon hasn't been for the browns

but my original question, which I saw elsewhere.. and figured I would bring to NT, since guys were getting worked up without actually seeing or knowing the evidence (not saying that I know either).. but taking the word of a league where we know that guys are just covering their respective butts and making PR moves

 

[wrightone86]

In school dudes used to light up all the time during their pre-pre-game rituals and played just fine that night

He knew before he got there and while he was on the team that he could not smoke. He might legitimately have a problem and can't stop, but if they have the counselors and resources at his disposal, it is up to him and his publicist/agent/"team" to go. The NFL as a whole cannot force him to go to that. The most they might could do is say you can't play until you complete rehab or counseling or something.

My company in their benefits package has "special counselors" for families (spousal/domestic) and for addictions and stuff, but I always ask how many, if any, actually use them. Something about going through your employer in regards to a problem that could potentially put your job in jeopardy in the first place just seems sketchy to me. This day and age, I really don't have much faith in the confidentiality policy anymore.

 

[nooera]

Thing is the NFL actually DOES allow its players to smoke marijuana during the season.

As long as you didnt test dirty on a test that THE PLAYERS KNOW ABOUT MONTHS IN ADVANCE then you will never be tested for recreational drug use again during the course of the season

All old boy had to do was put down that loud for like a month leading up to the test. Then he could have been blowing L's all season long with no damns given.

Feel bad for dude if he has a problem. But it's time for Josh to grow up.

 

[captainsneakerhead23]

Once again, can someone point in the direction that says Josh Gordon's latest suspension is due to a failed drug test for weed.

 

[Chester McFloppy]

Thought his suspension was because it was the third strike?

 

[nooera]

Once again, can someone point in the direction that says Josh Gordon's latest suspension is due to a failed drug test for weed.

Point is he would never be being tested for recreational drug use if he didnt get popped for weed.

How is that hard to understand ?

A large portion of the guys in the NFL smoke weed and yet Josh is one of the few getting tested for it

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[captainsneakerhead23]

Once again, can someone point in the direction that says Josh Gordon's latest suspension is due to a failed drug test for weed.

Point is he would never be being tested for recreational drug use if he didnt get popped for weed.

How is that hard to understand ?

A large portion of the guys in the NFL smoke weed and yet Josh is one of the few getting tested for it

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No that's not the point I'm making which is why I asked the original question.

His latest suspension is for ALCOHOL use and violating the substance abuse policy for the 3rd time ... for all we know he could've gave up the weed already, so I don't see the point of continuously saying "he needs to give up the loud" when he didn't get popped for it.

 

[IATT]

Once again, can someone point in the direction that says Josh Gordon's latest suspension is due to a failed drug test for weed.

this is another great point..

dude latest suspension is for drinking.. and I may be mistaken, but he didn't have any infractions with the league for that (or any convictions)..

and if it was just a mere misunderstanding as he pointed out in his letter.. that he assumed because his/browns season was done, that he no longer had to adhere to the strict refraining from all substances

but as has been mentioned his problem was weed.. get him treatment for that thing.. for the problem

as long as he is an adult, then the man should be able to enjoy an alcoholic beverage.. I just hope he is able to do so responsibly

now, if he has a DUI or has some sort of previously known addiction to liquor.. then I could understand the league having a BS leg to stand on

 

[fraij da 5 11]

Once again, can someone point in the direction that says Josh Gordon's latest suspension is due to a failed drug test for weed.

It wasn't, it was because he was drinking alcohol which apparently he wasn't supposed to be doing "contractually".

Weed, however, is the underlying issue that has gotten this kid into all of this trouble to begin with.

If he has a real problem with substances, then collecting paychecks and traveling all over the country week to week staying in hotels probably isn't the right environment for him to begin with.

If an employer is setting guidelines that an employee is clearly unable to follow, they have the right to terminate them... Why does the NFL have to let JG off the hook every time?  I'm sure treatment has been recommended for him but if hes not willing to take care of it then I don't see where those supporting him or he himself have a leg to stand on.

 

[nooera]

No that's not the point I'm making which is why I asked the original question.

His latest suspension is for ALCOHOL use and violating the substance abuse policy for the 3rd time ... for all we know he could've gave up the weed already, so I don't see the point of continuously saying "he needs to give up the loud" when he didn't get popped for it.

Do you know any weed head/alcoholics ?

If he's drinking, he's probably smoking

Regardless, he is aware of the rules of his probationary period. No alcohol.

Again, if Josh has a problem then I definitely feel for him. I really do. But as a man in your early 20's, unless you are EXTREMELY weak minded, it's easy to kick weed and alcohol. Let's be serious here.

 

[mister friendly]

You have a general idea when the test is coming

If you're a veteran, it's coming between March and June

If you're a rookie, it's coming at the Combine and the first week or so of training camp but it isn't outlined, it's more of asking and piecing it all together

 

[fraij da 5 11]

He is an adult and should be able to "enjoy" an alcoholic beverage... But I don't know if hes enjoying it as much as it is a necessity for him if he has a problem with drinking.

NFL has the right to set guidelines and if its in his contract, then he had to have agreed to terms, wouldn't he?...

 

[bravelude]

Guys trying to 'weed' their way to this man's defense.  That's what you get when your credibility gets damaged for what you did in the past.  Is that so hard to understand?  It's like the rap we all give to guys like Raw Lewis and Ray Rice.  They will FOREVER carry those presuppositions.  Nothing to argue about.

Gordon is a repeat offender, he's the Lindsey Lohan of football, but no one really cares about him that much anymore because he's just like a Davone Bess.  Can't handle work environment policies?  Then go back selling Used Cars.

 

[IATT]

they can test for weed.. weed is still illegal throughout most of the US.. so far a league that makes moves for PR reasons, I get it.. I don't agree, but I get it

one of the league's biggest sponsors is Budweiser.. unless dudes are getting DUIs or are found guilty of vehicular manslaughter, I cant see it

 

[green rhino123]

He is an adult and should be able to "enjoy" an alcoholic beverage...

you mean cause he's legal or cause he's mature enough or both?

 

[IATT]

If he has a real problem with substances

from everything we're heard, it was just one substance.. weed

and even the last infraction, was second hand smoke supposedly

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Originally Posted by fraij da 5 11  
 
If an employer is setting guidelines that an employee is clearly unable to follow, they have the right to terminate them

exactly,, that's why I think it should fall on the Cleveland browns.. they are the ones paying his checks, right?

 

[nooera]

Thinking about it, if he really did get popped for weed twice and alcohol once, and has had to sit out all these games

That is some ******** . No doubt about it

Is there more to it ?

I just cant see how all these other players who are undoubtedly doing the same things are having no issues

 

[IATT]

 
Guys trying to 'weed' their way to this man's defense.  That's what you get when your credibility gets damaged for what you did in the past.  Is that so hard to understand?  It's like the rap we all give to guys like Raw Lewis and Ray Rice.  They will FOREVER carry those presuppositions.  Nothing to argue about.

Gordon is a repeat offender, he's the Lindsey Lohan of football, but no one really cares about him that much anymore because he's just like a Davone Bess.  Can't handle work environment policies?  Then go back selling Used Cars.

1) ray lewis went on to play yearssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss after his incident, won super bowls and is now working on ESPN.. hell he was in a position to comment on ray rice's situation

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/story?id=100761

2) Lindsey lohan wasn't doing her job (wasn't showing up on set and being a pain to work with for other actors).. and her looks (which is obviously extremely important given her profession), took a major hit by what she was doing

3) Gordon put up one of the greatest seasons ever by a receiver with god awful QBs while missing like 4 games (if I remember correctly) LAST SEASON.. so he was/is capable of doing his job, unlike lohan

 

[Nike Still Sux]

Soliciting
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Prostitute

 

[ecruteakcityboy]

Blount throwing shots at Lynch

 

[captainsneakerhead23]

Once again, can someone point in the direction that says Josh Gordon's latest suspension is due to a failed drug test for weed.

It wasn't, it was because he was drinking alcohol which apparently he wasn't supposed to be doing "contractually".

Weed, however, is the underlying issue that has gotten this kid into all of this trouble to begin with.

If he has a real problem with substances, then collecting paychecks and traveling all over the country week to week staying in hotels probably isn't the right environment for him to begin with.

If an employer is setting guidelines that an employee is clearly unable to follow, they have the right to terminate them... Why does the NFL have to let JG off the hook every time?  I'm sure treatment has been recommended for him but if hes not willing to take care of it then I don't see where those supporting him or he himself have a leg to stand on.

I think the NFL handled it properly, I don't have a problem with it. My argument has never been "why is the NFL picking on Josh" I'm not one of those guys.

My issue is people seem to think he's just being a rebel about the situation when it seemed like he was on the right track. He took care of his 10-12 game suspension, didn't fail any test, stayed under the radar, and did all the right things up until he dropped the ball Week 17 when he missed that walk through.

At the end of the day, we don't know what type of counseling was provided to Josh. We can assume the Browns wanted to help but then again we can also assume they wanted to get rid of him based on reports and his usage on the field in the 4 games he played this season.

I hope he can get the help he obviously needs and hopefully that will transition into him surrounding himself with a better crowd of people.

No that's not the point I'm making which is why I asked the original question.

His latest suspension is for ALCOHOL use and violating the substance abuse policy for the 3rd time ... for all we know he could've gave up the weed already, so I don't see the point of continuously saying "he needs to give up the loud" when he didn't get popped for it.

Do you know any weed head/alcoholics ?

If he's drinking, he's probably smoking

Regardless, he is aware of the rules of his probationary period. No alcohol.

Again, if Josh has a problem then I definitely feel for him. I really do. But as a man in your early 20's, unless you are EXTREMELY weak minded, it's easy to kick weed and alcohol. Let's be serious here.

I know plenty and I deal with plenty on a regular basis.

Most alcoholics smoke ciggs not weed btw.

How do you know he's not EXTREMELY weak minded?

Have you ever been to an AA meeting? If so, please tell us how easy it was for those people to kick their habits. I'm being real serious here.

 

[coldcity]

Damn

sheesh!

 

[nooera]

If he's extremely weak minded, then some would say he aint cut out for the NFL . Being an amazing athlete is only going to get you so far

He can still turn this all around though. Even at its worse, it's not that bad. SIt out a year. Stop drinking. Come back looking like the player we all know he is, and everything is fine. If he doesnt do that, then that's on him. I hope he does . Ten years down the road, this could all be a distant memory if Josh flourishes