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wait people don't think Warner is a HOFer? well damn, I thought he'd make it easily.
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You may think its crazy but look at Cunningham's 1998 when he had similar weapons to Warner
60 pct, 8 pct TD pass rate, 2.4 INT rate, 8.7 yards per attempt, 4.5 sack rate, 106 overall rating with a 13-1 record
Warner's 1999
65.1 pct, 8.2 pct TD pass rate, 2.6 INT rate, 8.7 yards per attempt, 5.5 sack rate, 109 overall rating with 12-3 record
Them metrics look pretty damn similar
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Kurt Warner is a first ballot HoF and y'all will look silly in a few years.
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Trent Green had a good season with that Rams supporting cast......Trent Green and I'm pretty sure Warner is eligible this year. I simply can't believe that the voters are blind enough to put Warner in 1st ballot.
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Theres alot players who were great for a short period of time but I cant overvalue a quarterback who was great for a few years when there's alot All Time greats with longevity at other positions who had to wait
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He was. No disputing that, but if Trent Green was able to do what he did with that supporting cast, does that not put into perspective how good a group Warner was working with? Gannon was doing the same things with an older past their prime supporting cast.
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Kurt Warner took two teams to three Super Bowls, won 2 MVPs, won a SB, all while starting at 28 years old.
His per-year numbers are on par or vastly superior to other HoF QBs.
Outside of longevity, there is zero knock on Kurt not going first ballot. He was that good.
His per-year numbers are on par or vastly superior to other HoF QBs.
Outside of longevity, there is zero knock on Kurt not going first ballot. He was that good.
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You know what Trent Green did with that supporting cast?
Went 2-3 as a starter.
Went 2-3 as a starter.
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Top 5 QB. Originally I thought he was a product of his supporting cast but once you get 3 rings that's thrown out the window. I'm a Peyton Manning fan, but you can't dispute winning.
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Remember Marc Bulger?
He had one season above .500 with that supporting cast.
The Cardinals finally had a winning season, at least.
But yeah, it has nothing to do with Kurt Warner.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/award_apmvp.htm
See this list? This is the MVP list that matters. Not some MVP from a random magazine. I see Rich Gannon's name on their one time. Randall Cunningham is unlisted. Yeah, their careers definitely mirror Kurt Warner's.
He had one season above .500 with that supporting cast.
The Cardinals finally had a winning season, at least.
But yeah, it has nothing to do with Kurt Warner.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/award_apmvp.htm
See this list? This is the MVP list that matters. Not some MVP from a random magazine. I see Rich Gannon's name on their one time. Randall Cunningham is unlisted. Yeah, their careers definitely mirror Kurt Warner's.
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Matt Cassel used his supporting cast to go 11-5. How do you feel about this?
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*resists the urge to jump in convo at this point*
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I understand that
He was great for 2 years with the St Louis Rams, he also had a historically great supporting cast , I could be wrong but I cant think of who had a better cast except maybe Peyton
Then he had a few years where he wasn't just having a down years, he was getting benched for Marc Bulger, Josh McCown and Matt Leinart
Like WTF a HOFer getting benched for those gusy?
Then he came and was good for couple of years with Arizona going 19-12 and making it to a Super Bowl, where he played well except for throwing a game changing pick six
I understand that
He was great for 2 years with the St Louis Rams, he also had a historically great supporting cast , I could be wrong but I cant think of who had a better cast except maybe Peyton
Then he had a few years where he wasn't just having a down years, he was getting benched for Marc Bulger, Josh McCown and Matt Leinart
Like WTF a HOFer getting benched for those gusy?
Then he came and was good for couple of years with Arizona going 19-12 and making it to a Super Bowl, where he played well except for throwing a game changing pick six
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Trent Green and Kurt Warner threw for a combined 5000+ yards, Matt Cassel wasn't nearly as good with Brady's cast as Brady. Green was much closer to Warner than Cassel was to Brady.
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Trent Green went 2-3, Matt Cassel went 11-5.
One of them had a winning record.
One of them had a winning record.
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Kurt Warner is a first ballot HoFer, I have nothing left to discuss or dispute, I'll see y'all at his induction ceremony. Drinks are on me.
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Bulger was 6-1 in 2002, 12-3 in 2003, 8-6 in 2004
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Good point honestly. Doesn't change the fact that Warner had more bad seasons than he had good.
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I'm a big fan of Kurt Warner. He seems like a real stand up dude but man, he had a big gap in his career where he did nothing. I would like to see him get in but if he didn't I wouldn't complain.
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I honestly don't have a problem if he gets in. I think he is even though he shouldn't. My problem is him getting in first OR second ballot. That's ridiculous if he does, it took arguably the second greatest receiver of all time, Cris Carter how many years to get in?
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Hey!
Trent Green went 2-3 because their defense was awful that year
Trent Green and Kurt Warner 2000 season stats are pretty comparable
Also I don't think Trent Green was as good as Kurt Warner but the stats are pretty comparable
Trent Green went 2-3 because their defense was awful that year
Trent Green and Kurt Warner 2000 season stats are pretty comparable
Also I don't think Trent Green was as good as Kurt Warner but the stats are pretty comparable
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