Thank you duke! Thought I was crazy having that same experience with my vF and trinity. Went 10 on vF and 10.5 on trinity (after many painful sessions and exchanged back and forth)Sorry - that’s what I started out trying to tell. The Trinity I had to go up half to an 11. The VF and these are the same - 10.5. The knit feels the same as the VF where I think the Trinity feels stiffer.