NYC property value and rental bubble set to BURST

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Nearly 90 percent of New York City bar and restaurant owners couldn’t pay their rent in August, heightening the continued crush the coronavirus shutdown has inflicted on Gotham’s economy.

Eighty-seven percent of bars, restaurants, nightclubs and event spaces in the five boroughs could not pay their full August rent, according to data from 457 businesses surveyed between Aug. 25 and Sept. 11, in a new study released Monday by the nonprofit NYC Hospitality Alliance.

It’s a 7 percentage-point increase from June and a four-point jump from July, darkening the dire picture for eateries desperately seeking relief following six months of partial — and in some cases total — closure due to COVID-19 shutdowns.

Some 34 percent of this group said they could not pay rent at all last month, and only 12.9 percent were able to meet full payments.

“Restaurants, bars and nightlife venues have been financially devastated by the COVID-19 pandemic,” said alliance executive director Andrew Rigie.

Even before the pandemic when operating at 100 percent occupancy, these small businesses were struggling to stay open. Now we’re seeing widespread closures, approximately 150,000 industry workers are still out of their jobs, and the overwhelming majority of these remaining small businesses cannot afford to pay rent.

“The hospitality industry is essential to New York’s economic and social fabric, and to ensure the survival of these vital small businesses and jobs, we urgently need rent relief, an indefinite extension of outdoor dining, a roadmap for expanded indoor dining, covered business interruption insurance and immediate passage of the Restaurants Act by Congress,” he added.

When asked if landlords were waiving rent in relation to COVID-19 hardships, just 40 percent of businesses responded in the affirmative — 28.5 percent said less than 50 percent of their rental obligations were waived in August, 43 percent said 50 percent and 28.5 percent said they were given a break on more than 50 percent of their rental fees.

Meanwhile, 90 percent reported they have been trying to negotiate their leases, but their landlords wouldn’t budge.

The study also comes ahead of the long-awaited partial reopening of New York City’s indoor dining slated for Sept. 30 at 25 percent capacity.

New York City will be the last region in the state — and also a month behind neighboring New Jersey — to get the green light for the practice, despite a majority of the Empire State’s 57 counties outside the five boroughs being approved for the practice since June.

“I’m not really surprised because the industry is devastated by this pandemic,” said David Rosen, owner of several eateries including Williamsburg’s the Breakers. He is also co-founder of the Brooklyn Allied Bars and Restaurants and a member of the New York City Nightlife Advisory Board.

“The analysis around why folks are not able to get firm relief from their landlord, or renegotiate around long-term lease agreements or changes, is interesting because the narrative for the past few months has generally trended in a positive direction,” said Rosen.

“I can understand why landlords have been reticent to renegotiate because people have been under the impression that we would reopen or get back to normal,” he added, saying he, too, is in different stages of ongoing discussions with his landlords and doesn’t expect to fully reopen his venues until at least next spring.

“What’s concerning about this report is I would assume given the past two months and with outdoor dining unfortunately will be peak revenue season during this pandemic for restaurants. As we head into the winter, even with indoor dining on the horizon, I don’t think that 25 percent indoor will exceed what exists already outside. This ‘inability to pay rent’ trend will continue, if not worsen,” he said.

The state has yet to set what comes after Sept. 30, and whether the 25 percent limit will be increased depending on positive compliance and infection data.

The Empire State has also recorded several months’ worth of less than a 1 percent positive COVID-19 infection rate statewide.



 
It’s always been bursting. Corona just made it worse. Clubs and restaurants have been struggling here. Not many can afford 30k a month rent in the hot spots so the go to the burbs.

f them greedy land lords, the suburbs are gonna be poppin soon while the city is dead.
 
NYC Commercial property value ready to burst**

Ive been looking at homes in the NY/NJ area and prices in NYC haven't changed at all despite 6 months of Struggling local economy and in NJ homes have actually increased in price due to New Yorkers previously renting deciding it's cheaper to live in a home in NJ and commute to work.
 
i feel nothing for them. as bad as that may sound...I don't want to be that guy but awhile back I could ride the train and see ppl that look like me before reaching queensbridge and now?
its wild to have to walk 23434324 blocks to go to a "regular" bodega.
let me chill and get on my phone or pc.

I rock with a lot of ppl from a lot of backgrounds but there's something to be said about these loans or whatever and who they go to vs who they don't go to and a slew of other things I don't have the energy to talk about.

like I said, I feel nothing. we don't really own anything, don't have our own...everything is taken. its whatever.
 
NYC Commercial property value ready to burst**

Ive been looking at homes in the NY/NJ area and prices in NYC haven't changed at all despite 6 months of Struggling local economy and in NJ homes have actually increased in price due to New Yorkers previously renting deciding it's cheaper to live in a home in NJ and commute to work.
in NT terms, remember those ts1's you might have looked at when covid first started being...well what it is? how ppl thought that kind of stuff would drop?
yeah. this is that. smh it sucks.
 
As a nyc resident what’s happening is actually a really great thing. This property/housing bubble needs to implode here. The rents on these commercial businesses and property values and apartment rentals are OUT OF CONTROL. And you see the landlords don’t want to budge.

You have bungalow style houses with 2 rooms and no land IN TERRIBLE AREAS attempting to be sold for 1.5 million out here. You have studio apartments with landlords trying to get 2500-3000k for them in Brooklyn.
People are renting rooms for 1k-1500
You have people staying 4 deep in 2 bedroom apartments (putting up a curtain and calling it a flex room) just to make these outrageous rents.

A lot of is due to out of town people moving out here and attempting to make areas exclusive (which means not renting to black people) who pay these insane rents using 90% of their income on rent.
But lately many of them having been moving back due to COVID.

I hope no one pays and the system crashes.
 
:lol: :lol: :lol: :rofl: :rofl:....

I guess everyone’s living beyond their means...

I use to think the people who lived in those Williamsburg apartments has such amazing jobs to afford 3-5k a month rents. But after meeting many it turns out they are just using over 90% percent of their income on rent only and living on ramen noodles or having way to many roommates
 
I use to think the people who lived in those Williamsburg apartments has such amazing jobs to afford 3-5k a month rents. But after meeting many it turns out they are just using over 90% percent of their income on rent only and living on ramen noodles or having way to many roommates

as long as they can say they live in greenpoint or dumbo it's all good tho
 
As a nyc resident what’s happening is actually a really great thing. This property/housing bubble needs to implode here. The rents on these commercial businesses and property values and apartment rentals are OUT OF CONTROL. And you see the landlords don’t want to budge.

You have bungalow style houses with 2 rooms and no land IN TERRIBLE AREAS attempting to be sold for 1.5 million out here. You have studio apartments with landlords trying to get 2500-3000k for them in Brooklyn.
People are renting rooms for 1k-1500
You have people staying 4 deep in 2 bedroom apartments (putting up a curtain and calling it a flex room) just to make these outrageous rents.

A lot of is due to out of town people moving out here and attempting to make areas exclusive (which means not renting to black people) who pay these insane rents using 90% of their income on rent.
But lately many of them having been moving back due to COVID.

I hope no one pays and the system crashes.


It might affect commercial property and value but I doubt residential property or value will be affected.

Unless like so many people lose their jobs and cannot pay the rent.

Either way landlords will find a way to work around an issue and get their money... believe that.
 
I was hoping Corona would cause house prices to drop in NY but nope still the only thing not affected by COVID-19.
Same for out here in Cali. High rent, cost of living yet housing prices have yet to fall to levels I’d like to see.
 
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I was hoping Corona would cause house prices to drop in NY but nope still the only thing not affected by COVID-19.


Same for out here in Cali. High rent, cost of living yet housing prices are falling to levels I’d like to see.

Meanwhile here in DC housing prices continue to go up because the Federal government/military is the only guaranteed employer in the country. :sick:
 
Meanwhile here in DC housing prices continue to go up because the Federal government/military is the only guaranteed employer in the country. :sick:
Word. Throw Amazon coming to the area in there too. I hope the commercial and real estate bubble bursts. Need some realistic prices around here.
 
I use to think the people who lived in those Williamsburg apartments has such amazing jobs to afford 3-5k a month rents. But after meeting many it turns out they are just using over 90% percent of their income on rent only and living on ramen noodles or having way to many roommates

I used to think that too. Honestly a lot of the guys who have those amazing jobs live in NJ or anywhere but places like Williamsburg and such. They live in those penthouses etc in the city making bank.
 
What does Jerry Seinfeld say about this?

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