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If Monta continues at this rate, it would be a shame if he wasn't an all-star.
Official 2010-2011 San Jose Sharks Playoff Thread vs Vancouver Canucks; Vancouver Advances
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the gif made it for me. haha
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Andrew make the 49er game thread....
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Done!
Game day baby!
Game day baby!
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Game night..
I believe we'll win this game though. No Lee. and we've been playing better..
I believe we'll win this game though. No Lee. and we've been playing better..
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this aint the knicks thread, bro lol
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or wear a mouth guard...
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Wilson Chandler better have brushed his teeth this time.
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you also believed that Knicks are gonna be the #5 seed in playoffs
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Originally Posted by JumpmanFromDaBay
you also believed that Knicks are gonna be the #5 seed in playoffs
Yea right
I do remember saying anything from 6-8 is possible. Because it is.
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This should be the official game thread tonight, even for the knicks posters.
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Mr. Hindsight (aka Kawakami):
[h2]Even before Lacob, the Warriors aimed for big targets–and almost got Garnett (remember?)[/h2]
Posted by Tim Kawakami on November 18th, 2010 at 4:25 pm | Categorized as NBA, Warriors
Interesting that Carmelo Anthony is coming to town Monday–along with the Nuggets (if he isn’t traded before then)–a little more than a week after Joe Lacob and Peter Guber officially took official control of the Warriors.
I don’t think the Warriors have the right pieces to complete a deal for Anthony, unless they want to give up Stephen Curry, and, as I have said, I don’t think that’s happening.
(Presuming they’d need to to know they can lock up Anthony beyond this year, why would Carmelo agree to stay long-term on a team that doesn’t have Curry? Isn’t that his Denver situation all over again or worse?)
But I’m quite sure Lacob wants to make a bold move, as he has said repeatedly, and Carmelo is the boldest available move out there, though Chicago, New Jersey, and the Knicks seem like far likelier destinations than the East Bay.
Lacob wants to do what the Celtics did when they laid the groundwork to make the franchise-altering deal for Kevin Garnett late-summer 2007.
He says this as a Boston mantra–that if you plan well, wait, then spring at the perfect moment, there’s a potential KG Trade out there for any adroit franchise.
It’s a smart thing to say and to aim for, no doubt. Even better if you can actually pull it off.
That’s his holy grail: Do it like Danny Ainge & Wyc Grousbeck did it. That’s the only way to do it. You play it smart, you get a transformative player like KG.
But a couple of things to point out that clutter up the theme just a bit:
1) There have been maybe two of those kinds of trades in the recent history of the NBA, and they ended up helping the two most storied franchises in the league–KG to Boston, and Pau Gasol to the Lakers.
KG and Gasol wanted to go to those places. Hand-picked them. That’s how those teams got them.
It helps to be a mega-watt franchise. A destination franchise from decades and decades ago. And the Warriors are not that.
They can aspire to that, but they are not yet anything close to the Lakers or the Celtics and they do not have players pining to join their roster in any similar way.
In fact, they were, until just a few months ago, a franchise that most stars wanted to avoid at all costs. That’s changing with the departure of Chris Cohan, but the perception won’t be completely forgotten overnight.
2) The Warriors actually were in position to make a superstar trade… for the VERY SAME Kevin Garnett, before the Celtics got KG and proved how brilliant the Celtics are.
This is the part that might get me in trouble, again, with the Warriors’ higher-ups and storyline providers. (And commenters. I know. They will scream what’s the point of this post. I’ll answer: It’s always good to check back on true history.)
Right at the start, Lacob is saying some smart things, but he’s also saying some things that sound suspiciously similar to the bent rationalizations and revisionist history I’ve heard from the Rowell-ites so many times.
The storyline: Chris Mullin made a lot of bad acquisitions/signings early in his tenure and that’s the main reason the Warriors suffered after that, and woe, woe, woe.
Mullin’s fault, until Rowell saved the salary cap with his genius–all according to the Rowell-survives-after-Cohan storyline.
Some of the Rowell storyline (which Lacob is repeating) is not wrong–Adonal Foyle, Troy Murphy, Mike Dunleavy, Derek Fisher had to be expunged before the Warriors’ salary structure made sense.
But… If the steps leading to a potential KG trade are the definition of how you do things… then Lacob should remember the inconvenient (for Rowell) truth that KG was all but traded to the Warriors in June 2007, a few months before he actually landed in Boston.
Mullin had been chasing KG for two years, for better or worse, and on draft night 2007, came milli-meters from landing KG.
There was a tentative trade agreement with Minnesota, which always liked the Warriors package best.
(Keyed by Monta Ellis, the No. 1 pick acquired for Jason Richardson, Al Harrington and maybe Andris Biedrins–back then, Ellis and Biedrins were not yet making big money.)
I went back and checked with multiple sources, who confirm what I’ve written, many times: The Warriors were close enough to finalizing the deal that they were in the process of negotiating a contract extension with Garnett and his agent.
Maybe Mullin hadn’t been as careful and savvy as Lacob suggests Boston was, but his pieces added up to something Minnesota wanted, more than the deals offered by several other teams.
And the team Mullin would’ve had to surround the superstar (Baron Davis, Stephen Jackson, some others) also was attractive to KG.
This is before the Celtics made their biggest and best offer. This was a deal that could’ve happened.
But KG wanted an extension from the Warriors, possibly a max-extension, and that had to be agreed upon for the deal to happen.
Multiple sources say Rowell and Cohan wouldn’t sign off on the extension–the dollars or the years or both didn’t add up for them.
And the chance to make the deal… passed.
If that deal happens, I don’t know if the Warriors would’ve become a super-team or not. They’d have been tied up monentarily with KG, and almost certainly would’ve had to give Baron a large extension, and SJax, too.
They would’ve been old, and I’m not sure that roster was enough for a title.
But it would’ve been a very, very interesting team to watch and vie with San Antonio, Dallas, Phoenix and the Lakers for West supremacy.
And if KG lands in Oakland, he wouldn’t have gone to Boston, and that 2008 title probably never comes to the Celtics.
Without KG, maybe Boston can make another Epic Move (maybe for Pau Gasol, ahead of the Lakers?), maybe not.
Maybe the Celtics keep Al Jefferson (who went to Minnesota in the KG deal) and build around him, Rajon Rondo and the final years of Paul Pierce and Ray Allen.
But… the storyline would’ve been different. Maybe Rowell can take credit for all of that, too, I don’t know. He’s very, very good at grabbing storylines, this we know.
Just thought I’d add some historical background. That usually helps, especially when others are busy revising the facts, and have revised them almost every day for more than a decade.
Oh, and all those terrible Mullin deals… they all happened, yet the Warriors were in the playoffs in 2007, beat Dallas, and then won 48 games the next year… with most of those contracts gone.
Yep, I know the storyline: Rowell did it all. Anything that went wrong was everybody else’s fault.
[h2]Even before Lacob, the Warriors aimed for big targets–and almost got Garnett (remember?)[/h2]
Posted by Tim Kawakami on November 18th, 2010 at 4:25 pm | Categorized as NBA, Warriors
Interesting that Carmelo Anthony is coming to town Monday–along with the Nuggets (if he isn’t traded before then)–a little more than a week after Joe Lacob and Peter Guber officially took official control of the Warriors.
I don’t think the Warriors have the right pieces to complete a deal for Anthony, unless they want to give up Stephen Curry, and, as I have said, I don’t think that’s happening.
(Presuming they’d need to to know they can lock up Anthony beyond this year, why would Carmelo agree to stay long-term on a team that doesn’t have Curry? Isn’t that his Denver situation all over again or worse?)
But I’m quite sure Lacob wants to make a bold move, as he has said repeatedly, and Carmelo is the boldest available move out there, though Chicago, New Jersey, and the Knicks seem like far likelier destinations than the East Bay.
Lacob wants to do what the Celtics did when they laid the groundwork to make the franchise-altering deal for Kevin Garnett late-summer 2007.
He says this as a Boston mantra–that if you plan well, wait, then spring at the perfect moment, there’s a potential KG Trade out there for any adroit franchise.
It’s a smart thing to say and to aim for, no doubt. Even better if you can actually pull it off.
That’s his holy grail: Do it like Danny Ainge & Wyc Grousbeck did it. That’s the only way to do it. You play it smart, you get a transformative player like KG.
But a couple of things to point out that clutter up the theme just a bit:
1) There have been maybe two of those kinds of trades in the recent history of the NBA, and they ended up helping the two most storied franchises in the league–KG to Boston, and Pau Gasol to the Lakers.
KG and Gasol wanted to go to those places. Hand-picked them. That’s how those teams got them.
It helps to be a mega-watt franchise. A destination franchise from decades and decades ago. And the Warriors are not that.
They can aspire to that, but they are not yet anything close to the Lakers or the Celtics and they do not have players pining to join their roster in any similar way.
In fact, they were, until just a few months ago, a franchise that most stars wanted to avoid at all costs. That’s changing with the departure of Chris Cohan, but the perception won’t be completely forgotten overnight.
2) The Warriors actually were in position to make a superstar trade… for the VERY SAME Kevin Garnett, before the Celtics got KG and proved how brilliant the Celtics are.
This is the part that might get me in trouble, again, with the Warriors’ higher-ups and storyline providers. (And commenters. I know. They will scream what’s the point of this post. I’ll answer: It’s always good to check back on true history.)
Right at the start, Lacob is saying some smart things, but he’s also saying some things that sound suspiciously similar to the bent rationalizations and revisionist history I’ve heard from the Rowell-ites so many times.
The storyline: Chris Mullin made a lot of bad acquisitions/signings early in his tenure and that’s the main reason the Warriors suffered after that, and woe, woe, woe.
Mullin’s fault, until Rowell saved the salary cap with his genius–all according to the Rowell-survives-after-Cohan storyline.
Some of the Rowell storyline (which Lacob is repeating) is not wrong–Adonal Foyle, Troy Murphy, Mike Dunleavy, Derek Fisher had to be expunged before the Warriors’ salary structure made sense.
But… If the steps leading to a potential KG trade are the definition of how you do things… then Lacob should remember the inconvenient (for Rowell) truth that KG was all but traded to the Warriors in June 2007, a few months before he actually landed in Boston.
Mullin had been chasing KG for two years, for better or worse, and on draft night 2007, came milli-meters from landing KG.
There was a tentative trade agreement with Minnesota, which always liked the Warriors package best.
(Keyed by Monta Ellis, the No. 1 pick acquired for Jason Richardson, Al Harrington and maybe Andris Biedrins–back then, Ellis and Biedrins were not yet making big money.)
I went back and checked with multiple sources, who confirm what I’ve written, many times: The Warriors were close enough to finalizing the deal that they were in the process of negotiating a contract extension with Garnett and his agent.
Maybe Mullin hadn’t been as careful and savvy as Lacob suggests Boston was, but his pieces added up to something Minnesota wanted, more than the deals offered by several other teams.
And the team Mullin would’ve had to surround the superstar (Baron Davis, Stephen Jackson, some others) also was attractive to KG.
This is before the Celtics made their biggest and best offer. This was a deal that could’ve happened.
But KG wanted an extension from the Warriors, possibly a max-extension, and that had to be agreed upon for the deal to happen.
Multiple sources say Rowell and Cohan wouldn’t sign off on the extension–the dollars or the years or both didn’t add up for them.
And the chance to make the deal… passed.
If that deal happens, I don’t know if the Warriors would’ve become a super-team or not. They’d have been tied up monentarily with KG, and almost certainly would’ve had to give Baron a large extension, and SJax, too.
They would’ve been old, and I’m not sure that roster was enough for a title.
But it would’ve been a very, very interesting team to watch and vie with San Antonio, Dallas, Phoenix and the Lakers for West supremacy.
And if KG lands in Oakland, he wouldn’t have gone to Boston, and that 2008 title probably never comes to the Celtics.
Without KG, maybe Boston can make another Epic Move (maybe for Pau Gasol, ahead of the Lakers?), maybe not.
Maybe the Celtics keep Al Jefferson (who went to Minnesota in the KG deal) and build around him, Rajon Rondo and the final years of Paul Pierce and Ray Allen.
But… the storyline would’ve been different. Maybe Rowell can take credit for all of that, too, I don’t know. He’s very, very good at grabbing storylines, this we know.
Just thought I’d add some historical background. That usually helps, especially when others are busy revising the facts, and have revised them almost every day for more than a decade.
Oh, and all those terrible Mullin deals… they all happened, yet the Warriors were in the playoffs in 2007, beat Dallas, and then won 48 games the next year… with most of those contracts gone.
Yep, I know the storyline: Rowell did it all. Anything that went wrong was everybody else’s fault.
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^^^ Wow! Good Read....
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I don't really care for Melo. There is no one on the starting roster besides Dorrell that I would get rid of for Melo.
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game time baby.
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Monta just pulled a Jordan on Landry Fields.
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clyde showing yall love. you guys are vociferous hahahaa
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Vlad actually not being useless out there so far.
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Biedrins with the offensive repertoire.
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monta slam
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Knicks are raining out there....
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Rodney Carney is just bad. Bad. Bad. Bad.
