Official 2011 NBA Finals Thread: Dallas Mavericks are the 2011 NBA Champions. VOL: KidDirk get rings

DALLAS -- There are two contests being waged here: the NBA Finals that's being decided by tissue-thin margins and the yawning chasm between what LeBron James wants and what we want him to be.

The LeBron gap appears irreconcilable. Only LeBron could win an NBA Finals game and still lose ground in the public eye. Two themes emerged from Miami's 88-86 victory in Game 3, the second consecutive game in this series decided by a single shot. One was that Dwyane Wade is taking control for the Miami Heat, at the expense of LeBron. The other, written on website after website, was that Dirk needs help.

You know what sentence wasn't written anywhere? The indisputable fact that LeBron had a better final minute than Dirk Nowitzki. In their last two possessions, LeBron had an assist and a missed shot, and Dirk had a turnover and a missed shot. As a result, LeBron's team won.

If the Heat didn't win, LeBron would have received the blame, not his supporting cast. We're making Larry Bird comparisons for Nowitzki even though he's ringless, yet are withholding judgment on LeBron until we see how many he wins. There's an even greater status Dirk has achieved: He's allowed to miss. He became sanctified after making that 3-pointer and lefty layup late in Game 2. That's what happens when you have the made shots in the Finals on your résumé.

If winning an NBA Finals game won't be enough for LeBron, then winning the Finals won't be either if this series continue in this manner and Wade plays the starring role in two more victories. LeBron wants to win. That's not enough for us. We want him to go out and win it and in a specific manner. You can already hear the keyboards clicking now, saying LeBron's first championship didn't count because he wasn't the Finals MVP.

Did you know that in Kobe Bryant's first NBA Finals he shot 37 percent and averaged 15.6 points per game against the Pacers in 2000? But when it's time for comparisons, you only hear that Kobe has five rings, not 4.5.

When Michael Jordan repeatedly passed to John Paxson in the final quarter of the 1991 NBA Finals, it was viewed as a breakthrough, the superstar yielding to the system for the sake of the team. LeBron does it and its treated as an act of cowardice.

With the score tied in the final minute, James had the vision and the skills to fire the ball sideways past a double-team to an open Chris Bosh. James has always shown a willingness to go back to his teammates no matter how poorly they're playing. With the game on the line, he went to a guy who was 6-for-17 at the time, with a scratched eye that left him squinting like The Boondocks' Uncle Ruckus.

"I don't care if he missed 15 in a row, he's wide open and that's his sweet spot, that baseline jumper, and he was able to knock it down," James said. "It's just the trust we have in each other's ability, no matter what point of the game it's at."

Erik Spoelstra called it "fundamental basketball at its best. When you see an open man, you hit an open man."

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Nathaniel S. Butler/Getty ImagesNice dunk, LJ, but can you work on your post moves?

Here's the paradox of LeBron: He regularly makes the sensible play when it comes to passing, but he doesn't always make the sensible play when it comes to going to the hoop. After making only two trips to the free throw line in Game 2, he vowed to attack the basket more in Game 3 and did exactly that in the first half. Five of his six shots in the first two quarters came from inside the paint, including a memorable initiation to the Finals for Ian Mahinmi. LeBron James going to the hoop is one of the most unstoppable plays in basketball, and yet we rarely see it, and every time he plays a stretch like he did in the first half Sunday, it makes you wonder why.

We also saw the equivalent of two lunar eclipses in the same week: James posted up to start the first and third quarters; both resulted in a double-team and a pass to an open teammate for a made jump shot. Again, why don't we see more of it?

LeBron just isn't as comfortable playing with his back to the basket. He never had to in order to make it this far. He won the MVP award twice without a low-post game, part of a long line in which he's always rewarded for doing things his way.

Now he's two victories away from seeing the payoff on his unprecedented free agent move in the prime of his career to join an established star. Are we ready to give it to him on his terms? Or will we diminish it because it doesn't suit the route we once planned for him, the story of a Cleveland-area kid bringing a championship to the city's long-suffering sports fans?

He already was put in the unusual position on Sunday night of being accused of shrinking from the moment in a game he had just won, when he had fired up his team's final shot with a two-point lead and five seconds remaining.

"I think you're concentrating on one side of the floor," James said. "All you're looking at is the stat sheet. Honestly, I'm a two-way player. Tonight, in instance, D-Wade had it going offensively, so we allowed him to handle the ball, we allowed him to bring us home offensively. You should watch the film again and see what I did defensively. You'll ask me a better question tomorrow."

It was a strange news conference, one in which James' and Wade's insistence on conducting joint interviews created some awkward moments.

Wade repeatedly talked about his role as a leader and referred to "my guys," as we kept waiting for LeBron to add, "You mean, our guys." Instead LeBron blinked, rubbed his face, adjusted his position in his seat, then looked at Wade.

Wade also barked at James on the court, when LeBron had the audacity to give the ball to Mario Chalmers.

Even with Wade's surge in the Finals, James remains the Heat's playoff leader in points, assists and steals, and is virtually tied with Bosh for top rebounder. None of that seems to matter at the moment. It's as if LeBron's big shots in closing out the Celtics and Bulls didn't get forwarded to his new address at the Finals. He's having to start from scratch, and in this series he has only two fourth-quarter field goals. His numbers from the fourth Sunday night: two points on 1-for-3 shooting, two turnovers, four assists.

People don't step back and view the larger numbers, such as the fact LeBron has logged more minutes -- 790 of 'em -- than anyone in the playoffs. He played 45 minutes on Sunday, his stamina allowing Spoelstra to feel secure enough to sit Wade out three more minutes than he did in Game 2, and Wade was fresh enough to hit a go-ahead jumper with two minutes left.

With LeBron it's never just about the what, it's been about how. It all goes back to The Decision, a topic that even seemed relevant at Shaquille O'Neal's retirement party last week, when I wondered why O'Neal's departure from Orlando, bitter though it may have been, didn't create the same lasting animosity as LeBron's leaving Cleveland.

"On a business level, if he would have been straight up with the guy [Cavaliers owner Dan Gilbert] and let the guy make moves to try to build his team, everything would have been all right," O'Neal said. "But you can't keep messing around with people [saying], 'I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.'

"Then this guy [says], 'All right, Mike [Brown], you're gone. [Danny Ferry], you're gone. You're gone, we're going to do this.' The guy was trying to make it better for LeBron, but LeBron and his group of guys didn't tell him what was going on. And then at the last minute it was too late. The guy couldn't go out and get no free agents, you know what I'm saying?

"I just think if LeBron would have did it better, different tactically, things would have been all right. Because guys have left, guys have left franchises for the past 40, 60 years. The way he did it just kind of caught people off guard."

LeBron did it the way he did it. He continues to do things his way. The player with the talent to make the NBA look like a video game never lets anyone else have the controller.


Epsn.com J.A. Adonde
 
DALLAS -- There are two contests being waged here: the NBA Finals that's being decided by tissue-thin margins and the yawning chasm between what LeBron James wants and what we want him to be.

The LeBron gap appears irreconcilable. Only LeBron could win an NBA Finals game and still lose ground in the public eye. Two themes emerged from Miami's 88-86 victory in Game 3, the second consecutive game in this series decided by a single shot. One was that Dwyane Wade is taking control for the Miami Heat, at the expense of LeBron. The other, written on website after website, was that Dirk needs help.

You know what sentence wasn't written anywhere? The indisputable fact that LeBron had a better final minute than Dirk Nowitzki. In their last two possessions, LeBron had an assist and a missed shot, and Dirk had a turnover and a missed shot. As a result, LeBron's team won.

If the Heat didn't win, LeBron would have received the blame, not his supporting cast. We're making Larry Bird comparisons for Nowitzki even though he's ringless, yet are withholding judgment on LeBron until we see how many he wins. There's an even greater status Dirk has achieved: He's allowed to miss. He became sanctified after making that 3-pointer and lefty layup late in Game 2. That's what happens when you have the made shots in the Finals on your résumé.

If winning an NBA Finals game won't be enough for LeBron, then winning the Finals won't be either if this series continue in this manner and Wade plays the starring role in two more victories. LeBron wants to win. That's not enough for us. We want him to go out and win it and in a specific manner. You can already hear the keyboards clicking now, saying LeBron's first championship didn't count because he wasn't the Finals MVP.

Did you know that in Kobe Bryant's first NBA Finals he shot 37 percent and averaged 15.6 points per game against the Pacers in 2000? But when it's time for comparisons, you only hear that Kobe has five rings, not 4.5.

When Michael Jordan repeatedly passed to John Paxson in the final quarter of the 1991 NBA Finals, it was viewed as a breakthrough, the superstar yielding to the system for the sake of the team. LeBron does it and its treated as an act of cowardice.

With the score tied in the final minute, James had the vision and the skills to fire the ball sideways past a double-team to an open Chris Bosh. James has always shown a willingness to go back to his teammates no matter how poorly they're playing. With the game on the line, he went to a guy who was 6-for-17 at the time, with a scratched eye that left him squinting like The Boondocks' Uncle Ruckus.

"I don't care if he missed 15 in a row, he's wide open and that's his sweet spot, that baseline jumper, and he was able to knock it down," James said. "It's just the trust we have in each other's ability, no matter what point of the game it's at."

Erik Spoelstra called it "fundamental basketball at its best. When you see an open man, you hit an open man."

[+] Enlarge
Nathaniel S. Butler/Getty ImagesNice dunk, LJ, but can you work on your post moves?

Here's the paradox of LeBron: He regularly makes the sensible play when it comes to passing, but he doesn't always make the sensible play when it comes to going to the hoop. After making only two trips to the free throw line in Game 2, he vowed to attack the basket more in Game 3 and did exactly that in the first half. Five of his six shots in the first two quarters came from inside the paint, including a memorable initiation to the Finals for Ian Mahinmi. LeBron James going to the hoop is one of the most unstoppable plays in basketball, and yet we rarely see it, and every time he plays a stretch like he did in the first half Sunday, it makes you wonder why.

We also saw the equivalent of two lunar eclipses in the same week: James posted up to start the first and third quarters; both resulted in a double-team and a pass to an open teammate for a made jump shot. Again, why don't we see more of it?

LeBron just isn't as comfortable playing with his back to the basket. He never had to in order to make it this far. He won the MVP award twice without a low-post game, part of a long line in which he's always rewarded for doing things his way.

Now he's two victories away from seeing the payoff on his unprecedented free agent move in the prime of his career to join an established star. Are we ready to give it to him on his terms? Or will we diminish it because it doesn't suit the route we once planned for him, the story of a Cleveland-area kid bringing a championship to the city's long-suffering sports fans?

He already was put in the unusual position on Sunday night of being accused of shrinking from the moment in a game he had just won, when he had fired up his team's final shot with a two-point lead and five seconds remaining.

"I think you're concentrating on one side of the floor," James said. "All you're looking at is the stat sheet. Honestly, I'm a two-way player. Tonight, in instance, D-Wade had it going offensively, so we allowed him to handle the ball, we allowed him to bring us home offensively. You should watch the film again and see what I did defensively. You'll ask me a better question tomorrow."

It was a strange news conference, one in which James' and Wade's insistence on conducting joint interviews created some awkward moments.

Wade repeatedly talked about his role as a leader and referred to "my guys," as we kept waiting for LeBron to add, "You mean, our guys." Instead LeBron blinked, rubbed his face, adjusted his position in his seat, then looked at Wade.

Wade also barked at James on the court, when LeBron had the audacity to give the ball to Mario Chalmers.

Even with Wade's surge in the Finals, James remains the Heat's playoff leader in points, assists and steals, and is virtually tied with Bosh for top rebounder. None of that seems to matter at the moment. It's as if LeBron's big shots in closing out the Celtics and Bulls didn't get forwarded to his new address at the Finals. He's having to start from scratch, and in this series he has only two fourth-quarter field goals. His numbers from the fourth Sunday night: two points on 1-for-3 shooting, two turnovers, four assists.

People don't step back and view the larger numbers, such as the fact LeBron has logged more minutes -- 790 of 'em -- than anyone in the playoffs. He played 45 minutes on Sunday, his stamina allowing Spoelstra to feel secure enough to sit Wade out three more minutes than he did in Game 2, and Wade was fresh enough to hit a go-ahead jumper with two minutes left.

With LeBron it's never just about the what, it's been about how. It all goes back to The Decision, a topic that even seemed relevant at Shaquille O'Neal's retirement party last week, when I wondered why O'Neal's departure from Orlando, bitter though it may have been, didn't create the same lasting animosity as LeBron's leaving Cleveland.

"On a business level, if he would have been straight up with the guy [Cavaliers owner Dan Gilbert] and let the guy make moves to try to build his team, everything would have been all right," O'Neal said. "But you can't keep messing around with people [saying], 'I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.'

"Then this guy [says], 'All right, Mike [Brown], you're gone. [Danny Ferry], you're gone. You're gone, we're going to do this.' The guy was trying to make it better for LeBron, but LeBron and his group of guys didn't tell him what was going on. And then at the last minute it was too late. The guy couldn't go out and get no free agents, you know what I'm saying?

"I just think if LeBron would have did it better, different tactically, things would have been all right. Because guys have left, guys have left franchises for the past 40, 60 years. The way he did it just kind of caught people off guard."

LeBron did it the way he did it. He continues to do things his way. The player with the talent to make the NBA look like a video game never lets anyone else have the controller.


Epsn.com J.A. Adonde
 
Originally Posted by GUNNA GET IT

Originally Posted by shatterkneesinc

why did stevenson get so little playing time?

he was actually quite productive

cmon rick !+% is wrong you


Deshawn is playing good ball and deceives more minutes

From the few Mavs games I've watched this season, Deshawn usually starts the 1st and 3rd quarter but the bulk of the minutes usually go to Terry.

JA or another Mavs' fan can feel free to correct me.

Given how Terry has played thus far in the Finals, giving Deshawn more minutes might be the way to go.
  
 
Originally Posted by GUNNA GET IT

Originally Posted by shatterkneesinc

why did stevenson get so little playing time?

he was actually quite productive

cmon rick !+% is wrong you


Deshawn is playing good ball and deceives more minutes

From the few Mavs games I've watched this season, Deshawn usually starts the 1st and 3rd quarter but the bulk of the minutes usually go to Terry.

JA or another Mavs' fan can feel free to correct me.

Given how Terry has played thus far in the Finals, giving Deshawn more minutes might be the way to go.
  
 
Originally Posted by toine2983

Originally Posted by GUNNA GET IT

Originally Posted by shatterkneesinc

why did stevenson get so little playing time?

he was actually quite productive

cmon rick !+% is wrong you


Deshawn is playing good ball and deceives more minutes

From the few Mavs games I've watched this season, Deshawn usually starts the 1st and 3rd quarter but the bulk of the minutes usually go to Terry.

JA or another Mavs' fan can feel free to correct me.

Given how Terry has played thus far in the Finals, giving Deshawn more minutes might be the way to go.
  


carlisle doesnt have any faith in stevenson on the offensive end. however, he is actually shooting the three ball decently in this series. all he has to do is spot up and shoot. terry and kidd guarding wade is a disaster waiting to happen.
 
Originally Posted by toine2983

Originally Posted by GUNNA GET IT

Originally Posted by shatterkneesinc

why did stevenson get so little playing time?

he was actually quite productive

cmon rick !+% is wrong you


Deshawn is playing good ball and deceives more minutes

From the few Mavs games I've watched this season, Deshawn usually starts the 1st and 3rd quarter but the bulk of the minutes usually go to Terry.

JA or another Mavs' fan can feel free to correct me.

Given how Terry has played thus far in the Finals, giving Deshawn more minutes might be the way to go.
  


carlisle doesnt have any faith in stevenson on the offensive end. however, he is actually shooting the three ball decently in this series. all he has to do is spot up and shoot. terry and kidd guarding wade is a disaster waiting to happen.
 
Tough loss yesterday, but I can't really be mad.

Aside from the no call of the back court violation in the 1st...

Dirk had the ball with the game on the line, and had a good shot, just was guarded well by Haslem. IF you are Dallas you take that everytime.

On to game 4, must win for Dallas.

Really need the bench to step up, Dirk can't do it alone!
 
Tough loss yesterday, but I can't really be mad.

Aside from the no call of the back court violation in the 1st...

Dirk had the ball with the game on the line, and had a good shot, just was guarded well by Haslem. IF you are Dallas you take that everytime.

On to game 4, must win for Dallas.

Really need the bench to step up, Dirk can't do it alone!
 
Stevenson's a bum, i had the misfortune of watching him in DC for too long.

Carlisle has it right, dude is as inconsistent as they come, from missed dunks/layups to god-awful jumpshots.

His only strength is being a defensive nuisance to the opposition. Leave the scoring to Terry.
 
Stevenson's a bum, i had the misfortune of watching him in DC for too long.

Carlisle has it right, dude is as inconsistent as they come, from missed dunks/layups to god-awful jumpshots.

His only strength is being a defensive nuisance to the opposition. Leave the scoring to Terry.
 
Originally Posted by Gottips3

anybody got the video of Dwade talking bad to Lebron?

....i may be wrong, but i dont think it was talking bad, i think it was more like the thing Reggie Miller used to have some guy do to him before every game to get him going, kinda like trash talking. only this was during the game.
 
 
 

  
 
Originally Posted by Gottips3

anybody got the video of Dwade talking bad to Lebron?

....i may be wrong, but i dont think it was talking bad, i think it was more like the thing Reggie Miller used to have some guy do to him before every game to get him going, kinda like trash talking. only this was during the game.
 
 
 

  
 
Originally Posted by LuketheJediKnight

Originally Posted by Night Marcher01

Originally Posted by LuketheJediKnight



Yes, go and enjoy those titles of yesterday, and be happy your team doesn't win another one. Those titles from the George Mikan era must get you excited
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Titles of yesterday huh? Is that what losers call it? Winners of yesterday... 16 times?
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And your team ain't winning another anytime soon with these other teams on the rise. But you got those dust-covered trophies to keep you happy tho
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Enjoy watching other teams take the title from here on out while the Lakers collective #!@@% gets swept in playoff series
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Collectively getting swept huh? Exactly how many times have the Lakers got swept after this year? I'll wait. Better yet, how many time have the Lakers get swept within the last 10 years?

I bet you were talking $%%$ when Shaq left the Lakers and said the same exact thing, only to find yourself in a hole by yourself because the Lakers made the Finals 3 straight times, winning 2 straight CHAMPIONSHIPS!

Your done son! I just murdered you!
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Like I said homeboy, you're too easy! You say the same $%%$ time after time, but your wagon hasn't proven anything yet.

Lakers will ALWAYS stay relevant, we are the best franchise in the NBA! Point blank... you on the other hand, will have nothing else to live for once your baby daddy leaves the Heat.
 
Originally Posted by LuketheJediKnight

Originally Posted by Night Marcher01

Originally Posted by LuketheJediKnight



Yes, go and enjoy those titles of yesterday, and be happy your team doesn't win another one. Those titles from the George Mikan era must get you excited
laugh.gif

Titles of yesterday huh? Is that what losers call it? Winners of yesterday... 16 times?
roll.gif
And your team ain't winning another anytime soon with these other teams on the rise. But you got those dust-covered trophies to keep you happy tho
laugh.gif
Enjoy watching other teams take the title from here on out while the Lakers collective #!@@% gets swept in playoff series
roll.gif

Collectively getting swept huh? Exactly how many times have the Lakers got swept after this year? I'll wait. Better yet, how many time have the Lakers get swept within the last 10 years?

I bet you were talking $%%$ when Shaq left the Lakers and said the same exact thing, only to find yourself in a hole by yourself because the Lakers made the Finals 3 straight times, winning 2 straight CHAMPIONSHIPS!

Your done son! I just murdered you!
laugh.gif
Like I said homeboy, you're too easy! You say the same $%%$ time after time, but your wagon hasn't proven anything yet.

Lakers will ALWAYS stay relevant, we are the best franchise in the NBA! Point blank... you on the other hand, will have nothing else to live for once your baby daddy leaves the Heat.
 
Originally Posted by seasoned vet

Originally Posted by Gottips3

anybody got the video of Dwade talking bad to Lebron?

....i may be wrong, but i dont think it was talking bad, i think it was more like the thing Reggie Miller used to have some guy do to him before every game to get him going, kinda like trash talking. only this was during the game.
 
 
 

  
no it wasn't. it looked like instructions
 
Originally Posted by seasoned vet

Originally Posted by Gottips3

anybody got the video of Dwade talking bad to Lebron?

....i may be wrong, but i dont think it was talking bad, i think it was more like the thing Reggie Miller used to have some guy do to him before every game to get him going, kinda like trash talking. only this was during the game.
 
 
 

  
lol i no there has to  be some kind of vid. i missed it during the game, and on espn
 
Originally Posted by seasoned vet

Originally Posted by Gottips3

anybody got the video of Dwade talking bad to Lebron?

....i may be wrong, but i dont think it was talking bad, i think it was more like the thing Reggie Miller used to have some guy do to him before every game to get him going, kinda like trash talking. only this was during the game.
 
 
 

  
no it wasn't. it looked like instructions
 
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