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Originally Posted by 651akathePaul

Originally Posted by dreClark

Yeahhhhhh........soooooooo.......Like, Jay Cutler has a top 5 Arm, though.

That's not the point. He's more efficient on the run, as is Locker. Cutler has a better arm, but Locker is no slouch in that department. His accuracy is much better on the run as well. So give Cutler a better arm, but Locker is way beyond Cutler when it comes down to playmaking ability with his feet. That's huge. Not to mention those damned intagibles which Locker surpasses Cutler.

  

my lockers accuracy standing still has been

RIP him on the run

 

[air max 87]

Originally Posted by 651akathePaul

Originally Posted by dreClark

Yeahhhhhh........soooooooo.......Like, Jay Cutler has a top 5 Arm, though.

That's not the point. He's more efficient on the run, as is Locker. Cutler has a better arm, but Locker is no slouch in that department. His accuracy is much better on the run as well. So give Cutler a better arm, but Locker is way beyond Cutler when it comes down to playmaking ability with his feet. That's huge. Not to mention those damned intagibles which Locker surpasses Cutler.

  

my lockers accuracy standing still has been

RIP him on the run

 

[buc em]

Originally Posted by theone2401

I just dont see the "abilities" you see. He is a developmental prospect not a first rounder based no what I see. Wish him the best though.

You talking about Allen Bailey or Clayborn?

 

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Originally Posted by theone2401

I just dont see the "abilities" you see. He is a developmental prospect not a first rounder based no what I see. Wish him the best though.

You talking about Allen Bailey or Clayborn?

 

[doublejs07]

Originally Posted by Proshares

I think Shanahan could help Locker.

 

[doublejs07]

Originally Posted by Proshares

I think Shanahan could help Locker.

 

[theone2401]

Originally Posted by dreClark

But that's what makes Jay Cutler, 'Jay Cutler'. It's his cannon.

And Jay Cutlers problem isn't accuracy, its decision making. Cutler can be effective dropping back or on the move.

Locker is above Cutler when it comes to running, but they both have the ability to make 1st downs w/ their feet, which is all you really need your QB to be able to do.

Intangibles? Ehh, I guess.

This is why I harp on Locker. People seem to mistake his versatility as elite talent. His arm is good but not special and his running ability is good but no one is going to draft him based off that he isnt Vick.

Originally Posted by theone2401

I just dont see the "abilities" you see. He is a developmental prospect not a first rounder based no what I see. Wish him the best though.

You talking about Allen Bailey or Clayborn?
Jake Locker.

What I said to you was I like Ballard because he is so athletic. Clayborn is nice (they dont even play the same position) but if Ballard puts it together fundamentally (and his performance at the Senior Bowl will give people hope) he can have a higher ceiling in the NFL then Clayborn. Bailey is in the same boat as Ballard (He is even more athletic but more of a tweener as well) but I have just seen enough of Bailey that I dont think he will ever put it together but that is just my personal opinion.

 

[theone2401]

Originally Posted by dreClark

But that's what makes Jay Cutler, 'Jay Cutler'. It's his cannon.

And Jay Cutlers problem isn't accuracy, its decision making. Cutler can be effective dropping back or on the move.

Locker is above Cutler when it comes to running, but they both have the ability to make 1st downs w/ their feet, which is all you really need your QB to be able to do.

Intangibles? Ehh, I guess.

This is why I harp on Locker. People seem to mistake his versatility as elite talent. His arm is good but not special and his running ability is good but no one is going to draft him based off that he isnt Vick.

Originally Posted by theone2401

I just dont see the "abilities" you see. He is a developmental prospect not a first rounder based no what I see. Wish him the best though.

You talking about Allen Bailey or Clayborn?
Jake Locker.

What I said to you was I like Ballard because he is so athletic. Clayborn is nice (they dont even play the same position) but if Ballard puts it together fundamentally (and his performance at the Senior Bowl will give people hope) he can have a higher ceiling in the NFL then Clayborn. Bailey is in the same boat as Ballard (He is even more athletic but more of a tweener as well) but I have just seen enough of Bailey that I dont think he will ever put it together but that is just my personal opinion.

 

[proshares]

DJ's.

He worked well with Cutler and had his stock rising pretty high before he got canned. Not saying he'll make Jake into a franchise QB but he loved him last year and was thinking about taking him at 4 if he came out. I can see it.

 

[proshares]

DJ's.

He worked well with Cutler and had his stock rising pretty high before he got canned. Not saying he'll make Jake into a franchise QB but he loved him last year and was thinking about taking him at 4 if he came out. I can see it.

 

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For what its’ worth; the Washington ******** spent an inordinate amount of time with Nevada quarterback Colin Kaepernick.  We’ve also learned LSU cornerback Patrick Peterson has met with the San Fransisco 49er brass on hand.  In our SI.com column we mentioned Peterson previously met with John Elway and John Fox of the Denver Broncos.


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He worked well with Cutler and had his stock rising pretty high before he got canned. Not saying he'll make Jake into a franchise QB but he loved him last year and was thinking about taking him at 4 if he came out. I can see it.


If it's a scenario where the Skins can trade out of #10, get a later pick in the 1st and get another pick in the 2nd...I wouldn't be totally opposed to them taking Locker w. one of those picks.  I would have to put my faith in Shanny based off of what he did w. Cutler, but Cutler was 1000x the better QB in comparing the two.  At the end of the day, I think Locker is absolute trash.  I'd be happier taking a flier on a guy like Kaepernick instead.  Maybe Shanny sees some Jake Plummer-esque qualities in CK...who knows. 

*Actually, scratch that....I don't want the Skins to take Locker. 

PERIOD.

 

[doublejs07]

For what its’ worth; the Washington ******** spent an inordinate amount of time with Nevada quarterback Colin Kaepernick.  We’ve also learned LSU cornerback Patrick Peterson has met with the San Fransisco 49er brass on hand.  In our SI.com column we mentioned Peterson previously met with John Elway and John Fox of the Denver Broncos.


Link

He worked well with Cutler and had his stock rising pretty high before he got canned. Not saying he'll make Jake into a franchise QB but he loved him last year and was thinking about taking him at 4 if he came out. I can see it.


If it's a scenario where the Skins can trade out of #10, get a later pick in the 1st and get another pick in the 2nd...I wouldn't be totally opposed to them taking Locker w. one of those picks.  I would have to put my faith in Shanny based off of what he did w. Cutler, but Cutler was 1000x the better QB in comparing the two.  At the end of the day, I think Locker is absolute trash.  I'd be happier taking a flier on a guy like Kaepernick instead.  Maybe Shanny sees some Jake Plummer-esque qualities in CK...who knows. 

*Actually, scratch that....I don't want the Skins to take Locker. 

PERIOD.

 

[theone2401]

Originally Posted by Proshares

DJ's.

He worked well with Cutler and had his stock rising pretty high before he got canned. Not saying he'll make Jake into a franchise QB but he loved him last year and was thinking about taking him at 4 if he came out. I can see it.

Do not forget Jake Plummer.

I do not know if Shanahan or his assistants deserve the credit but he has a track record.

 

[theone2401]

Originally Posted by Proshares

DJ's.

He worked well with Cutler and had his stock rising pretty high before he got canned. Not saying he'll make Jake into a franchise QB but he loved him last year and was thinking about taking him at 4 if he came out. I can see it.

Do not forget Jake Plummer.

I do not know if Shanahan or his assistants deserve the credit but he has a track record.

 

[gunna get it]

Peterson & family have met with everyone down there.

 

[gunna get it]

Peterson & family have met with everyone down there.

 

[gunna get it]

Mayock: “Nick Fairley is a kid with elite ability one of the only kids in last 10 years I can say he can play every defensive position in any scheme.'

 

[gunna get it]

Mayock: “Nick Fairley is a kid with elite ability one of the only kids in last 10 years I can say he can play every defensive position in any scheme.'

 

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Originally Posted by GUNNA GET IT

Mayock: “Nick Fairley is a kid with elite ability one of the only kids in last 10 years I can say he can play every defensive position in any scheme.'

Word so he's a shutdown corner, run stuffer defensive tackle, elite pass rushing defensive end, hard hitting linebacker and a ball-hawking safety all in one....dude's the goods

 

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Originally Posted by GUNNA GET IT

Mayock: “Nick Fairley is a kid with elite ability one of the only kids in last 10 years I can say he can play every defensive position in any scheme.'

Word so he's a shutdown corner, run stuffer defensive tackle, elite pass rushing defensive end, hard hitting linebacker and a ball-hawking safety all in one....dude's the goods

 

[DeadsetAce]

not draft related, but read that bernie kosar been poking around pats personnel down at the senior bowl festivities...kinda interesting

kinda disappointed to read that herzlich hasn't impressed...pulling for that dude.

 

[DeadsetAce]

not draft related, but read that bernie kosar been poking around pats personnel down at the senior bowl festivities...kinda interesting

kinda disappointed to read that herzlich hasn't impressed...pulling for that dude.

 

[fear the ibis]

• TCU QB Andy Dalton was not overly impressive. His wind-up and release look a bit funky and coaches were working with him to make some changes, which led to inaccurate balls. Dalton has the zip on shorter passes, but struggles with technique and accuracy toward the sidelines. Dalton profiles as more of a backup.

• Florida State QB Christian Ponder had a solid, but not spectacular day. Ponder had some trouble making reads and would stare down primary receivers in drills. Overall, Ponder’s technique looked fairly sharp, with his deep ball being delivered on time in most cases. Not sure Ponder did enough this week to get back in the top three rounds.

• Alabama QB Greg McElroy continues to play better than many expected. McElroy was very efficient on short and mid-range passes and while his deep ball can leave something to be desired his mechanics are top-notch and he showed nice short-range arm strength by getting the ball there in a hurry.

• Louisville RB Bilal Powell struggled mightily in pass protection when going 1-on-1 against linebackers. On run plays, Powell appeared to stay low, find the hole very well and even breaking a couple of long runs.

• West Virginia RB Noel Devine showed off his speed today. On a stretch play, Devine turned the corner and accelerated past the defense. Devine, is tough than people give him credit for, also showed good hands and great receiving ability. Devine was absent from the pass protection drills for some reason.

• Kentucky RB Derrick Locke is very, very fast. Locke has great acceleration and straight line speed. Locke doesn’t seem to change directions all that well, but some team will love to toss him the ball out of the backfield and just let him go. On the negative side, Locke gave little or no effort in pass protection though.

• Georgia Tech RB Anthony Allen lacked quickness, but made some moves in him. Packed a punch when there was contact. Allen did a terrible job in the pass protection drill and seemed to struggle from I-formation.

• Tulsa FB Charles Clay is a big, strong kid. The question is where do you play him as he has lined up all over the field this week.

• Miami (FL) WR Leonard Hankerson has big, strong hands and snatches balls out of air with natural pass catching abilites. Looks like he was born to play wideout.

• West Virginia WR Jock Sanders, who was added to the roster as an injury replacement, is ridiculously tiny. In fact, Sanders almost looks like a child out on the field.

• Hawaii WR Greg Salas struggled at times today and rounded off some routes. Salas also isn’t very fast or explosive and won’t be a vertical threat at the next level.

• Mississippi State OT Derek Sherrod had a volatile day. In his matchup with Von Miller in “The Pit,

 

[fear the ibis]

• TCU QB Andy Dalton was not overly impressive. His wind-up and release look a bit funky and coaches were working with him to make some changes, which led to inaccurate balls. Dalton has the zip on shorter passes, but struggles with technique and accuracy toward the sidelines. Dalton profiles as more of a backup.

• Florida State QB Christian Ponder had a solid, but not spectacular day. Ponder had some trouble making reads and would stare down primary receivers in drills. Overall, Ponder’s technique looked fairly sharp, with his deep ball being delivered on time in most cases. Not sure Ponder did enough this week to get back in the top three rounds.

• Alabama QB Greg McElroy continues to play better than many expected. McElroy was very efficient on short and mid-range passes and while his deep ball can leave something to be desired his mechanics are top-notch and he showed nice short-range arm strength by getting the ball there in a hurry.

• Louisville RB Bilal Powell struggled mightily in pass protection when going 1-on-1 against linebackers. On run plays, Powell appeared to stay low, find the hole very well and even breaking a couple of long runs.

• West Virginia RB Noel Devine showed off his speed today. On a stretch play, Devine turned the corner and accelerated past the defense. Devine, is tough than people give him credit for, also showed good hands and great receiving ability. Devine was absent from the pass protection drills for some reason.

• Kentucky RB Derrick Locke is very, very fast. Locke has great acceleration and straight line speed. Locke doesn’t seem to change directions all that well, but some team will love to toss him the ball out of the backfield and just let him go. On the negative side, Locke gave little or no effort in pass protection though.

• Georgia Tech RB Anthony Allen lacked quickness, but made some moves in him. Packed a punch when there was contact. Allen did a terrible job in the pass protection drill and seemed to struggle from I-formation.

• Tulsa FB Charles Clay is a big, strong kid. The question is where do you play him as he has lined up all over the field this week.

• Miami (FL) WR Leonard Hankerson has big, strong hands and snatches balls out of air with natural pass catching abilites. Looks like he was born to play wideout.

• West Virginia WR Jock Sanders, who was added to the roster as an injury replacement, is ridiculously tiny. In fact, Sanders almost looks like a child out on the field.

• Hawaii WR Greg Salas struggled at times today and rounded off some routes. Salas also isn’t very fast or explosive and won’t be a vertical threat at the next level.

• Mississippi State OT Derek Sherrod had a volatile day. In his matchup with Von Miller in “The Pit,

 

[theone2401]

Originally Posted by Fear The Ibis

• TCU QB Andy Dalton was not overly impressive. His wind-up and release look a bit funky and coaches were working with him to make some changes, which led to inaccurate balls. Dalton has the zip on shorter passes, but struggles with technique and accuracy toward the sidelines. Dalton profiles as more of a backup.

• Florida State QB Christian Ponder had a solid, but not spectacular day. Ponder had some trouble making reads and would stare down primary receivers in drills. Overall, Ponder’s technique looked fairly sharp, with his deep ball being delivered on time in most cases. Not sure Ponder did enough this week to get back in the top three rounds.

• Alabama QB Greg McElroy continues to play better than many expected. McElroy was very efficient on short and mid-range passes and while his deep ball can leave something to be desired his mechanics are top-notch and he showed nice short-range arm strength by getting the ball there in a hurry.

• Louisville RB Bilal Powell struggled mightily in pass protection when going 1-on-1 against linebackers. On run plays, Powell appeared to stay low, find the hole very well and even breaking a couple of long runs.

• West Virginia RB Noel Devine showed off his speed today. On a stretch play, Devine turned the corner and accelerated past the defense. Devine, is tough than people give him credit for, also showed good hands and great receiving ability. Devine was absent from the pass protection drills for some reason.

• Kentucky RB Derrick Locke is very, very fast. Locke has great acceleration and straight line speed. Locke doesn’t seem to change directions all that well, but some team will love to toss him the ball out of the backfield and just let him go. On the negative side, Locke gave little or no effort in pass protection though.

• Georgia Tech RB Anthony Allen lacked quickness, but made some moves in him. Packed a punch when there was contact. Allen did a terrible job in the pass protection drill and seemed to struggle from I-formation.

• Tulsa FB Charles Clay is a big, strong kid. The question is where do you play him as he has lined up all over the field this week.

• Miami (FL) WR Leonard Hankerson has big, strong hands and snatches balls out of air with natural pass catching abilites. Looks like he was born to play wideout.

• West Virginia WR Jock Sanders, who was added to the roster as an injury replacement, is ridiculously tiny. In fact, Sanders almost looks like a child out on the field.

• Hawaii WR Greg Salas struggled at times today and rounded off some routes. Salas also isn’t very fast or explosive and won’t be a vertical threat at the next level.

• Mississippi State OT Derek Sherrod had a volatile day. In his matchup with Von Miller in “The Pit,