OFFICIAL 2016 @HEAT PLAYOFF THREAD

[meast]

Except Serge Ibaka's shooting % and 3 point % has gone down this year while his minutes went up.

That must mean he isn't training and fine tuning his shooting. 

You make it sound like everybody will just be a better shooter by training. Doesn't happen. Some guys are better at other aspects of their game. Training won't solve everything. You can train all you want but it just won't happen. So you can spend all your time training and neglect what you're better at and then suddenly you're an average player in all aspects. Some players find a niche and stick with it. e.g.. shooters, defenders etc. You want some miracle to happen. You gotta understand not every player is Kobe/LeBron/Steph (Superstars) and spending hours at the gym. Some guys ended up being tall, athletic and good at basketball to make a living and are good enough to hang around the NBA.

 

[art vandelay]

Simple solution, and note, I said simple, is Miami has to figure out a way to win with what they have. No one is taking Andersen and his contract, UD isn't going anywhere, STAT isn't going anywhere, even though he can stand a just a few more minutes with McBob out, and there is no way Winslow gets traded, Green is hot or cold, not a lot of in between. I can see Miami riding the Bosh train until the wheels fall off at this pace and hope that he doesn't go down with an injury. 

 

[tekthemaestro]

 
Except Serge Ibaka's shooting % and 3 point % has gone down this year while his minutes went up.

That must mean he isn't training and fine tuning his shooting. 

he probably isnt training on it like he did when he developed it. im pretty sure its common sense. but the FACT remains he developed a 3 pointer in 1 summer. and dont leave out that ibaka is shooting 40% from the 3 this year. which is literally better than our ENTIRE team. so if ibakas numbers went down, to a number higher than every single player on our team who shot more than 10 3pters, id take ibakas skills and place them on all of our players if i could. understand?

 

[meast]

You keep mentioning guys that are stars in this league and using middle of the road players against them.

Why haven't middle of the road players on other teams improved aspects of their game as well, if it were so simple?

Anyway, we will always be on opposite sides of this and won't budge on our beliefs. I respect your view point and we both want the same thing, which is the Heat to be better.

Good debating from everybody and it helped work go by faster 

 

[tekthemaestro]

 
You keep mentioning guys that are stars in this league and using middle of the road players against them.

Why haven't middle of the road players on other teams improved aspects of their game as well, if it were so simple?

u just completely ignored my point. u said ibakas numbers went down, i pulled up his stats showing hes a better shooter on paper than our entire team. u have no comment on that? bosh is a star, wade is a star, green has star potential. these arent middle of the road players. tj is a rook, winslow and richardson are rooks. almost else on the team is pretty much a vet. with many of them at one point being stars.  and other players in the nba aren't willing to put in that time. but i dont care about those players, cuz theyre not on my team. if they were on my team, id suddenly care. the players on my team are my concern. so when i see these EXTREMELY talented roster the miami heat have, and see they have the same problems in 2016 as they did in 2011... theres a problem. and theres a simple solution to fixing the problem.

 

[tekthemaestro]

 
Simple solution, and note, I said simple, is Miami has to figure out a way to win with what they have. No one is taking Andersen and his contract, UD isn't going anywhere, STAT isn't going anywhere, even though he can stand a just a few more minutes with McBob out, and there is no way Winslow gets traded, Green is hot or cold, not a lot of in between. I can see Miami riding the Bosh train until the wheels fall off at this pace and hope that he doesn't go down with an injury. 

nailed it with winning with what we have. we've GOT to sharpen them up. but for some reason.... season after seson... we dont. we have no outside scoring threats. imagine if wade, green, and bosh were legit outside threats. the entire middle of the floor opens up for cuts and post work. imagine the work hassan can do if the floor is spaced out? SMH. imagine P&R between wade/tj/dragic/udrih and hassan/bosh/winslow/green if the former players are legit threats outside? itd look like what the warriors ran with steph and greene against the cavs. theres literally nothing u can do. u HAVE to guard the 3 on the screen cuz if u dont its going up. if u guard the 3 on the screen u have to fight the cut inside. u either foul or hope they miss. theres NOTHING else u can do. and hassan aint missing that lob. bosh aint missing that layup or spot up inside shot. green aint missing that dunk. itd be incredible. and god forbid u somehow figure out how to stop the player who rolled inside with a sharpened up luol or someone else chilling in the corner. WHAT COULD A DEFENSE DO against that? like i said, we have the pieces. theyre just not sharp enough

 

[meast]

OK man, you're right on ALL aspects.

 @ GG being star potential at 30 years old (in a week) and 9 NBA teams.

 

[art vandelay]

Also, you guys have legit P-N-R personnel, shouldn't that also be an option?

 

[tekthemaestro]

 
OK man, you're right on ALL aspects.

 @ GG being star potential at 30 years old (in a week) and 9 NBA teams.

so being 30 stops star potential (checks wades age.... looks at this years new and improved statline. checks lebrons age. checks bosh's age. checks carmelos age. gasol's age. gortats age. joakims age. millsaps age. lowry's age. demarre carrolls age.) hm... literally the entire frontcourt leaders for the east except for 2 players are age 29+. with only 2 of those i named being 29. and this is ONLY the leaders east team, and ONLY the 3rd returns. but sure, 30 is why GG does NOT have star potential. 

 
Also, you guys have legit P-N-R personnel, shouldn't that also be an option?

at this current time it wouldnt be as effective as it should. because if its a high P&R, nobody is scared of the 3. no reason to even fight through the screen, just move under the screen or soft switch. 

 

[meast]

Oh, you mean all the guys you named that are all stars and have been superstars in this league, with the exception of Gortat and Carroll. Those guys?

 Yup, GG fits in that ball park perfectly with his NBDL MVP/All-Star back in 2012. But you right, 10 years in the league and having been in the NBA, NBDL, China & Russia and he's right on the cusp on stardom. You right....

 

[tekthemaestro]

 
Oh, you mean all the guys you named that are all stars and have been superstars in this league, with the exception of Gortat and Carroll. Those guys?

 Yup, GG fits in that ball park perfectly with his NBDL MVP/All-Star back in 2012. But you right, 10 years in the league and having been in the NBA, NBDL, China & Russia and he's right on the cusp on stardom. You right....

i literally said he has the potential. he has the athleticism, he has shown he CAN shoot, he cn take over a game. dude definitely has the potential. u said hes almost 30 as a reason to counter that. and if he was an all-star in 2012 hes already shown what he CAN be. how can u argue that green doesnt have the potential? i dont understand. and now ur making MORE Excuses. so now 30 isn't a reason to not have star-potential... only if you're 30 and have never previously been a "superstar." any other restrictions coming up we should know about that will prevent someone from having star potential?

 

[Quincy McCall]

 
Simple solution, and note, I said simple, is Miami has to figure out a way to win with what they have. No one is taking Andersen and his contract, UD isn't going anywhere, STAT isn't going anywhere, even though he can stand a just a few more minutes with McBob out, and there is no way Winslow gets traded, Green is hot or cold, not a lot of in between. I can see Miami riding the Bosh train until the wheels fall off at this pace and hope that he doesn't go down with an injury. 

Deng/Bird(expiring contracts) is all we have to offer

 

[Cashflow]

You're lying to yourself because Gerald Green has only shot 40 percent from the 3point line ONCE in his 9 year career. If Gerald was as great as you're propping him up to be he wouldn't have been available for the minimum. He's the type of player you expect inconsistencies from. His MO is that of a streaky shooter.

 

[tekthemaestro]

You're lying to yourself because Gerald Green has only shot 40 percent from the 3point line ONCE in his 9 year career. If Gerald was as great as you're propping him up to be he wouldn't have been available for the minimum. He's the type of player you expect inconsistencies from. His MO is that of a streaky shooter.

i believe he can be more than what he has shown. i believe all of our guys can.

 

[art vandelay]

 
Deng/Bird(expiring contracts) is all we have to offer

I cant see a team, unless it is a true contender and needs the "insurance" of a big taking on that contract. As far as Deng, yeah y'all can trade him, but isn't he kind of important because there aren't too many perimeter defenders on the team.

 

[meast]

NBDL All-Star...

They aren't restrictions. It's more of a realistic view point. How many guys take over and become all stars at age 30 and over? Who really becomes a top player in the NBA at that age and continues, if they haven't been one before? 

You can keep throwing out potential all you want, but you know what you get with him. He will never reach that "potential". It's been 10 years. Let that dream go.

 

[Cashflow]

You believing that they could become more then what they've shown doesn't mean they aren't putting in the work which was your original argument. Some guys just aren't going to be Steph Curry.

 

[tekthemaestro]

You believing that they could become more then what they've shown doesn't mean they aren't putting in the work which was your original argument. Some guys just aren't going to be Steph Curry.

u dont gotta be steph. why not aim for ibaka then 

 aim to be DECENT enough to affect the flow of the game. because again, the only person on our team shooting 40% from 3 is birdman which we all know, doesnt count. and im not expecting them to practice and suddenly become steph or klay. but i DO expect them to put in steph or klay hours and show improvement in the offseasons. and nobody is showing improvement. u think theyre in the gym putting hours into practicing shooting with nothing to show for it? is that your stance?

 

[Cashflow]

Serge Ibaka is an average shooter who was regressed the past 2 seasons. You're just throwing out names right now hoping something will stick.

And if we are talking strickly 3 point FG, his last 4 seasons
2015-16 .405
2014-15 .376
2013-14 .383
2012-13 .351

What are you talking about!

 

[tekthemaestro]

Serge Ibaka is an average shooter who was regressed the past 2 seasons. You're just throwing out names right now hoping something will stick.

And if we are talking strickly 3 point FG, his last 4 seasons
2015-16 .405
2014-15 .376
2013-14 .383
2012-13 .351

What are you talking about!

throwing out names? other dude said his 3pt % dropped. i said if they dropped they dropped to 40. which is better than our entire teams shooting % from 3. which it is. so other dude was wrong and in fact his numbers haven't dropped theyve improved. what names am i throwing around? ibaka undoubtedly developed a 3pter over a summer. and from these numbers here, he averages more than our entire team. serge ibaka.... more than everyone else on our team. so if "an average shooter who has regressed the past 2 seasons" is shooting better than EVERYONE on our team from 3.... what does that say? we have below average shooters right? so what does that mean.... they should probably get in the gym and practice in the offseason right? case closed.

 

[tekthemaestro]

you 2 are either ridiculous or stupid. i cant figure out which.

 

[Quincy McCall]

Everybody love everybody.

 

[Quincy McCall]

I cant see a team, unless it is a true contender and needs the "insurance" of a big taking on that contract. As far as Deng, yeah y'all can trade him, but isn't he kind of important because there aren't too many perimeter defenders on the team.

He just doesn't fit, defensively he's solid and consistent but he's not what he use to be there. He's gone after this year anyhow and our only trade piece... I'm down for whatever

 

[art vandelay]

 

[tekthemaestro]

Everybody love everybody.

its ALWAYS love. even during debate and disagreement. we all on the same team.