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I legit forgot about that 
Official 2019 NYK offseason thread. Brooklyn knick fans check in
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- Nov 20, 2007
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He's on a rookie contract why would it be?
We just talking about a 2nd max. The cap space is big. A 3rd max would be a problem.
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Mentioned today on Twitter that the draft picks we traded for Melo (aside from the players) because Jamal Murray, Gary Harris and Nurkic.
- Jan 1, 2014
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Everyone knew we got robbed on the Melo deal but just putting it all out there again hurts. Think of how much we gave up for Melo, Bargs and Curry. **** is sad.
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Just not valuing assets. Whatever the deal is big or small. Gave away so many "little" assets over the years for less than their value that came back to bite us..
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In fairness, we never knew what those picks would end up being. Could’ve been a Hasheem Thabeet or Derrick Williams. It just happened that they ended up being good players. Disclaimer, I wasn’t a fan of the trade either. Especially considering that he was gonna be a FA. Blame Dolan for that.
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man i wanna see some trades/salary dumps soon
- Dec 7, 2006
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FR though. There’s been no movement and we’re so close to the deadline.
I like Montrez Harrell btw. He’s basically the better Kenneth Faried, which is the kind of player we need with KP in the front court.
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Whoever is next to KP needs to be able to rebound and be able to guard 1-4. If it’s not Zion, Noah seems like a good fit.
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Y’all guy mike Conley is up for grabs
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Mike Conleys contract is awful. I wouldn’t touch that contract.Y’all guy mike Conley is up for grabs
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The only player with a worse contract than Conley is Wall. At least Conley is a respected vet. Wall has a bad attitude and spends too much time in the club.
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So what you're saying is we're gonna end up with Wall and Conley.
JJ Goon
formerly prettyboy ry7
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Here you go brother:
Who’s safe and who’s not? A list of which Knicks are most likely to be traded at the deadline
There is no confusion about where the Knicks stand heading into next month’s trade deadline. New York is 10-35. They’ve lost six straight after Monday’s 127-109 thumping by the Oklahoma City Thunder, and 14 of their last 15. All eyes are on the NBA Draft lottery drawing this May and the start of free agency July 1.
The Knicks have made their objectives for this season clear. They want to position themselves well for this summer and they want to add talent where they can.
Team president Steve Mills has become insistent over the last few months that the Knicks’ available cap space this summer is a byproduct of how the contracts worked out, and not a desire to be a major player for a star — which is a change from the rhetoric last June. But there is no hidden hand slowly discarding big salaries from the Knicks’ cap ahead of the summer of 2019. They’ve positioned themselves to make a play for a Kevin Durant or Kyrie Irving, if either chooses to come to New York.
The Knicks could also use the two weeks before the Feb. 7 trade deadline to obtain another small-window look at a recycled lottery pick. They acquired Emmanuel Mudiay at last year’s deadline and may try to make a similar type move this February. Bulls forward Jabari Parker, a former No. 2 pick, would fall into that category, though he has a $20 million salary.
The Knicks have been adamant that they don’t want to actively tank — though, at this point, that’s a semantics issue considering how this roster was constructed and where it’s gotten them — so it’s hard to see a wholesale sell-off of every asset the team has. Still, it wouldn’t be surprising to see the Knicks be active at the deadline.
With all of that as context, here’s where each player on the roster stands before the deadline.
Not going anywhere
Kristaps Porzingis
He hasn’t played since tearing his left ACL last February, he’s about to become a restricted free agent and he’s the only All-Star on the roster. All of those factors would make a trade very, very, very unlikely. Also, it might create a fan revolt if the Knicks trade Porzingis. Just stating the obvious here.
Kevin Knox
He’s the Knicks’ foundational player right now along with Porzingis. Knox, the No. 9 pick in last June’s draft, has gotten better throughout the year. He’s already a focal point of the offense, and he’s just 19. He’s showing signs he could be a high-volume scorer one day. The bigger question is what else he can be. The answers will come in a Knicks uniform.
Mitchell Robinson
The Knicks seem to have found something with their second-round pick. He entered Monday tied for the league lead this season in block rate among all players who have appeared in at least 25 games and are averaging at least 10 minutes per game. If he keeps it up, it would be the third-highest block rate ever by a rookie.
Would be surprised if he got traded, but not shocked
Frank Ntilikina
It’s hard to put him in the same group as the three players above, despite being the No. 8 pick in the 2017 draft. Teams like the Magic, and reportedly the Suns, have shown interest in Ntilikina this season. Ntilikina, 20, has shown promise as a multi-positional perimeter defender and the Knicks are a better defensive team with him on the floor. The bigger question is whether his offense will come along, too. David Fizdale said Monday he’d keep Ntilikina as the team’s backup point guard after he’s volleyed back and forth this season as a point guard and wing player.
Help for the star chase
Tim Hardaway Jr. and Courtney Lee
Two different types of cases here, but both represent a means to the same end. The Knicks are short of the cap space needed to sign a free agent with 10-plus years of experience (read: Durant) this summer. Lee will make about $12.7 million next season, the last on a four-year deal. Hardaway will get $18.1 million in the third year of a four-year, $71 million deal that has a player option for 2020-21. The Knicks already waived and stretched Joakim Noah, putting dead money on their cap through 2021-22. Waiving and stretching Lee would only add to it. He’s fallen out of the rotation, getting the occasional minutes for Fizdale but clearly not a part of what the team is trying to do right now. He remains a respected veteran and has drawn compliments for his professionalism.
Hardaway Jr. has been inefficient this season while holding down a large burden on the offense. Despite his struggles, the Knicks need him to prop up their already below-average offense. Moving either Lee or Hardaway Jr. would get the Knicks the cap room they need, though trading Hardaway Jr. (who also has a 15 percent trade kicker) now could also make them uncompetitive way too often. Teams have asked the Knicks about Hardaway Jr. and Lee, according to league sources, but the Knicks have been adamant about not attaching assets to move them. Maybe a playoff team in need of scoring or wings will accede at some point and offer the Knicks a worthwhile return, or maybe the pressure of the trade deadline can make things move along.
Free agents to be
Enes Kanter
He seems like the most likely player to be playing elsewhere after the deadline. Kanter all but asked out of New York on Monday after learning that he was basically below Luke Kornet and Mitchell Robinson on the depth chart at center. Teams have inquired on Kanter this month, but he also carries an $18.6 million salary and a game that might not fit on a good team. He’s a low-post brute who does two things well: score around the basket and rebound. But he can help a playoff team who could squeeze his skill-set onto their roster and surround him with help. He was a key piece for the Thunder as they made deep playoff runs. With Kanter posturing for more playing time, this situation has gone too public for them not to achieve some kind of resolution. It seems best for the two sides to split.
Noah Vonleh
The 23-year-old big man has kickstarted his career with the Knicks this season. He’s shown he can be a consistent 3-point threat and he remains a very good defensive rebounder. He’ll also be a free agent this summer after signing a one-year deal. The Knicks don’t have Bird Rights on him and they could trade him and still be in the same place trying to re-sign him, competing with everyone else to be the highest bidder. If they can get some kind of long-term return for him — say a second-round pick from a team looking to get late-season help from Vonleh and a look at him ahead of free agency — they’d be right to take it and then try to re-sign him.
Emmanuel Mudiay
The 22-year-old guard is having the best season of his career in some ways, posting bests in turnover rate, shooting percentage, eFG%, and points per game as he’s played his way into the starting point guard job. He’s going to be a free agent this summer and will have a $12.8 million cap hold. The question is how real his improvement is and how much of it is a result of increased minutes (the most since his rookie year). Attempts at the rim make up a larger share of his shots, but he remains in the bottom half of all guards in shooting percentage there, according to Cleaning The Glass. He’s also shooting worse now than he did during his second-half stint with the Knicks last season, erasing what gains he seemed to be making earlier on.
A large portion of his improvement is based on his new-found accuracy from mid-range. Will that last? How many teams want a point guard who relies so much on those kinds of shots? Especially because Mudiay isn’t a good 3-point shooter (31.5 percent) and doesn’t shoot them that often. He’s also not much of a playmaker — his assist rate is about even with last season — and Fizdale isn’t looking for him to be one. One opposing scout called Mudiay a 2-guard. Before trying to figure out whether some other team would trade for Mudiay, it’s important to figure out where the Knicks stand on him as part of their future.
Trey Burke
He’s fallen out of Fizdale’s rotation, but Burke has shown he can provide scoring off the bench. The 26-year-old could be a piece for a team looking for another bench point guard or bench scoring.
Mario Hezonja
Another player on a one-year deal. Hezonja, 23 signed for $6.5 million in July, with the team hoping the former No. 5 overall pick could be a successful reclamation project. Instead, he’s averaging 18.1 minutes in 39 games and shooting just 39.6 percent from the field. He’s played better lately and his defense has picked up, but if a team wants to trade for Hezonja they’ll have to hope he becomes closer to the player he was in the second half of 2017-18 with the Magic.
Lance Thomas
He’ll probably be a free agent this summer — only $1 million of his $7 million for next season is guaranteed – and he could still be a nice veteran presence for a team and play either forward spot. He’s played just 18 games this season, missing time because of knee surgery, but Thomas can hit corner 3s (46 percent from there in 2016-17 and 17-1
and he’s a high-motor defender.(Top photo of Lee: Rocky Widner / NBAE via Getty Images)
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If a team is willing to take on THJR but wants Frank as well and we say no that'll be the dumbest **** in Knicks history.
Look at what Brooklyn is going with two max slots available.
Would be hilarious if KD and Klay end up going there
- Nov 20, 2007
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What is Brooklyn doing?
They got 2 max slots and? They probably gonna max out 2 players that don't deserve to be getting max money and maybe improve to being a 5th seed
That scenario you made up is basically a trade specifically for Frank. If this, if that. Went from rebuilding to desperate for 2 max slots. When y'all became so hopeful yet greedy?
And
@ Klay going anywhere let alone Klay and KD to Brooklyn. All of a sudden the Nets might land some of the best available FAs just cuz they got the cap space. You right that **** is hilarious. Please pass that good you smoking on.
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Damn, NYers don't rock with the Nets at all I see they've entertained me I gotta admit
they've entertained me I gotta admit
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Damn, NYers don't rock with the Nets at all I see
I don’t hate them #kanyeshrug
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i dont rock with the nets either but that hate is strong... they are surprisingly good this year... when i mean good i mean better than expected not contender good... but if 2 max guys go there just saying for example KD and klay with the current nets team they would be solid... theres no denying that... our team is banking on potential and thats it...we might have 1 max spot and theres a chance for 2 if we can trade some guys... then we are banking on KP coming back to his old self and possibly better...i doubt it since it will take time for him to be good again and get into basketball shape... then we are hoping to land a top 3 pick but zion is the guy that needs to be here... if ja or rj comes here that would be good too but it would be devastating if we land a pick outside the top 3
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Man, **** the Nets.
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i dont care about the nets either... but my point is the nets will have 2 max spots while we barely getting 1... front office just sitting on their hands not even trying to trade guys to open up a slot or two while the garbage franchise nets will have 2 max spots... kinda pathetic the other NY team thats not important will have more flexibility then the knicks
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are we not counting KP as a max player that we already have so if we got 1 more we would also have 2? I like the Nets pieces but none of them are at KPs level as long as he comes back full healthy.
