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[ballinsam23]

Need a point guard who has been there if we land a Kawhi or KD. Hardest position to learn, arguably most important position. Cant be making inexperienced bonehead plays or dumb turnovers in big games because of moments they haven't been in. **** will frustrate the crap outta players like Kawhi and KD.

 

[donewithjs]

That 5 would be crazy to watch.

 

[kingfoamnyc]

Need a point guard who has been there if we land a Kawhi or KD. Hardest position to learn, arguably most important position. Cant be making inexperienced bonehead plays or dumb turnovers in big games because of moments they haven't been in. **** will frustrate the crap outta players like Kawhi and KD.

If your trying to shade DS Jr. mention his name

 

[ballinsam23]

Shading all young point guards tbh. DSJ, Frank, Ja? Darius?

Going the FA route you're in win now mode. Win now teams usually dont run young point guards.

 

[paulminus]

Do we have better young talent now or pre-Melo ?

Easily this yr is better for me

 

[kingfoamnyc]

Shading all young point guards tbh. DSJ, Frank, Ja? Darius?

Going the FA route you're in win now mode. Win now teams usually dont run young point guards.

This is simply not true.

Parker was a young PG, Rondo was a young PG, Chalmers was a young PG, Kyrie was a young PG, Steph was a young PG.

That's a narrative that's flat out wrong.

Having a strong veteran presence on your team matters but it doesn't have to be exclusive to the starting PG.

SUPERSTARS win championships.

 

[ballinsam23]

Rondo and Parker really are the only good examples. Especially Rondo since KG and Ray came via trade/FA and automatically turned them into contenders.

Chalmers - had ball handlers (Wade/Bron). His job wasnt to playmake at all. Just play defense and hit the open 3.
Kyrie - in his 6th year and with another HOF playmaker (Bron)
Curry - whole team was organically built, no major A list FAs added, they been through it together for years

Also all of these guys (except Chalmers) are HOF players. DSJ? Frank? Any PG we might draft? Very high chance they're not.

 

[ballinsam23]

This is why Frank is annoying. Dude had Billups potential, now he cant even be Mario Chalmers

 

[kingfoamnyc]

Rondo and Parker really are the only good examples. Especially Rondo since KG and Ray came via trade/FA and automatically turned them into contenders.

Chalmers - had ball handlers (Wade/Bron). His job wasnt to playmake at all. Just play defense and hit the open 3.
Kyrie - in his 6th year and with another HOF playmaker (Bron)
Curry - whole team was organically built, no major A list FAs added, they been through it together for years

Also all of these guys (except Chalmers) are HOF players. DSJ? Frank? Any PG we might draft? Very high chance they're not.

Your moving goal post.

Mentioning ball handlers and what not like all SUPERSTAR players aren't.

My point is you can only win a chip with SUPERSTAR players.

You don't have to have a veteran presence at the PG position to win a chip, period.

DS Jr.
Dot
Kawhi
KD
Mitch

Is a championship material starting 5. I guess if we swap out DS Jr. for DJ Augustin our chances are better right?

 

[ballinsam23]

My point is you can only win a chip with SUPERSTAR players.

You don't have to have a veteran presence at the PG position to win a chip, period.

You def need multiple stars/superstars to win it today.

But i disagree, unless you're built organically and go through it together (Pistons, Warriors, maybe the Nuggets or Bucks one day) you need a veteran at the point guard position to win it all. Hell look how good we looked with Jarret Jack and Kidd running the show.

Put it this way, all the teams that won it all without a veteran presence at point, straight up outliers.

 

[kingfoamnyc]

Put it this way, all the teams that won it all without a veteran presence at point, straight up outliers.

Prove it.

 

[donewithjs]

Your moving goal post.

Mentioning ball handlers and what not like all SUPERSTAR players aren't.

My point is you can only win a chip with SUPERSTAR players.

You don't have to have a veteran presence at the PG position to win a chip, period.

DS Jr.
Dot
Kawhi
KD
Mitch

Is a championship material starting 5. I guess if we swap out DS Jr. for DJ Augustin our chances are better right?

Augustin

 

[Mister Meaner]

Gotta agree with kingfoamnyc . If DSJ is at the very least a competent pg, with KD (the league's best offensive weapon) & Kiwi ( the league's best 2-way player), he's good enough to get the job done.

He does however need to straighten out that jumper doe.

I hope the trade has the organization reevaluating just who they go after to pair with KD.

With that said, Kyrie wouldn't be a bad consolation prize.

 

[keko jones]

If Frank is not asked to score, I think he could adapt to running a good efficient offense.

However, does basic bounce passes a few weeks back were scary AF.

 

[donewithjs]

Any Guard on the court right now needs to be a threat to score. So Franks game is prehistoric and not needed.

 

[ballinsam23]

Prove it.

You dont need a star at point, but you def need someone with experience.

Since 1986, champions with a non-experienced point guard?

Celtics - Rondo (2nd year)
Spurs - Parker (2nd year)
Heat - Chalmers (4th year)

Since 1986, champions with an experienced player at the point? Atleast with some playoff experience.

Celtics - Dennis Johnson (12th year), Danny Ainge (6th year)
Lakers - Magic (9th year)
Pistons - Isiah (9th year)
Bulls - Ron Harper (6th year), Paxson (8th year)
Rockets - Kenny Smith (9th year)
Lakers - Fisher (5th year)
Pistons - Billups (9th year)
Mavs - Kidd (400th year)
Cavs - Kyrie (5th year)
Warriors - Curry (5th year)

 

[GaBeGRaMz]

If the front office believes the guard core we have now is good enough:

Durant and Randle.

Draft Zion/Barret/Morant

 

[GaBeGRaMz]

If it turns out it takes Kyrie to get Durant:

Trade everything else for Anthony Davis.

 

[ballinsam23]

Especially today, if you're a contender and your PG is not hitting 3s or playing lock down defense, idk why the **** he's on the floor.

When is DSJ at his best? With the ball in his hands no? If we luckily fall into KD and Kawhi, you can forget about that.

These dudes are not deferring to a young point guard who cant hit 3s or play lock down defense. They'll be the ones creating with the ball in their hands more often than not. Same with Pippen/MJ and Wade/Bron. Both those teams had catch and shoot, defending players at the point.

 

[kingfoamnyc]

You dont need a star at point, but you def need someone with experience.

Since 1986, champions with a non-experienced point guard?

Celtics - Rondo (2nd year)
Spurs - Parker (2nd year)
Heat - Chalmers (4th year)

Since 1986, champions with an experienced player at the point? Atleast with some playoff experience.

Celtics - Dennis Johnson (12th year), Danny Ainge (6th year)
Lakers - Magic (9th year)
Pistons - Isiah (9th year)
Bulls - Ron Harper (6th year), Paxson (8th year)
Rockets - Kenny Smith (9th year)
Lakers - Fisher (5th year)
Pistons - Billups (9th year)
Mavs - Kidd (400th year)
Cavs - Kyrie (5th year)
Warriors - Curry (5th year)

Dude. Outside of Chauncey's Pistons teams all those teams had superstar players

Doesn't matter who is playing PG when you have generational talent.

Your only argument is 95 Houston and 2011 Mavs lead by a top 5 C and PF OF ALL TIME

Can't even give you the Mavs really when Kidd is a hall of famer who was still productive in Dallas and Tyson was DPOY

 

[ballinsam23]

Doesn't matter who is playing PG when you have generational talent.

That wasnt the argument though

Every championship team has multiple all stars/super stars. I was saying you need an experienced player at the point, not necessarily a star. Especially if your team is not built organically like the Spurs, Pistons, Warriors were.

 

[keko jones]

Any Guard on the court right now needs to be a threat to score. So Franks game is prehistoric and not needed.

Zzzzzz

That's not true if you have KD/KL in a team.

You need a facilitator and someone that could play D

The pressure of scoring are not his furthermore I do think he would be able to knock down some range shots if left open.

But I'm not defending Frank, just saying that I can see a fit.

 

[ballinsam23]

We're not getting Kawhi AND KD so it doesnt matter. I'm more curious about our pick than FA anyway.

 

[keko jones]

We're not getting Kawhi AND KD so it doesnt matter. I'm more curious about our pick than FA anyway.

Why so negative ..

We dont know wth is going to happen, but we can sure talk about possibilities and what ifs.

 

[ballinsam23]

Not negative. Just gotta have low expectations when it comes to this team.

For this current roster, i'm not sold on any future long term starter outside of Mitch. We have good role/bench players though (Trier, Dot, Mudiay).