OFFICIAL 2020 STIMULUS CHECK THREAD

160jordansdeep said:
hes 100 right
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The more Mitch ****s things up, the dumber your posts look

Keep it up
 
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cosmiccoffee9 said:
meanwhile at street level the Citizen app been going crazy with police reports all month...5 corner stores got stuck up within a 5 block radius of where I´m sitting within the last 24 hours...also an Amazon truck got jacked.

...it´s almost like people aren´t just going to sit at home and starve during an economic collapse.
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You’re in nyc?

that’s the same deal going on in my hood. Mostly thefts and assault cases on women.

Imagine you a man and you can’t provide for your family and you hearing it from your baby mama and your kids. That’s some Diddy “I need a hit playboy” stress right there.

something has to give. People getting desperate out here.

they should do unemployment to at least March/April 2021 and see where we’re at.
 
jewseejay said:
RustyShackleford RustyShackleford is immune to any factual information regaurding Pelosi and Schumers lack of damns about the American people. Its only Mitch McConnell, no one else playing politcs with peoples livelihoods.
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Wasn't the third-way Democrat movement a compromise with Republican intransigence? Show us where Republicans have compromised for Americans since Obama became president. They got rid of all the people who wanted to work with Democrats; the GOP base primaried Eric Cantor when he was speaker of the House; none of the current crop of Republicans can publicly acknowledge Biden's victory because they fear the backlash from their base but somehow, the Democrats must be at fault; they haven't compromised enough.

Be serious.
 
What are you on about? Were discussing how Mitch The Obstructionest mCONnel aint alone in his ways. Pelosi has flat out said she didnt agree to the 1.2 trillion dollar White House offer 3 months ago because she didnt wanna give Trump something he could turn into a win come elction day.

So no, we dont need to decipher when the republicans have or have not comprimised in the past. Its completely irrelevelant

Mnuchin, Mconnel, Pelosi, Meadows, Schumer all fingers of the same hand. Some point up some point down but they are the same. Politcs first
 
Lets take a stroll down memory lane... yall remember when Mnuchin gave up and was just gunna extend ui benefits as a standalone while they argued it out in september? Then Nancy but the kabosh on everything because that would take away some of her leverage to play political games? Or we pretending that never happened ?
 
New stand alone stimulus bill that might even have the attention of the orangeman.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/10/rep...ils-plan-for-second-1200-stimulus-checks.html

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Not the best plan, (no hazard pay, UI, or PUA) but stand alone bIlls should have been on the table now for months. Fix one thing at a time, instead of lumping everything together its just not working. This is why I believe they can't get anything passed, too much fat in these bills and there's always a sticking point on either side.

Facts: I think both parties want stimulus checks (maybe different amounts)
Facts: same with UI (different amounts)
Facts: same with evictions
Borderline: student loan, PPP, EIDL, and testing money
Disagree: state funding
Disagree: liability for businesses and their employees

 
jewseejay said:
RustyShackleford RustyShackleford is immune to any factual information regaurding Pelosi and Schumers lack of damns about the American people. Its only Mitch McConnell, no one else playing politcs with peoples livelihoods.
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Oh please, you want to ignore observable reality you force some both sides bull**** again.

Pelosi and Schumer are the problems? Really?

-They want a 3.2 Trillion dollar Stimulus that had checks and an extension. Money to help state governments and no liability shield. A plan most economists worth a damn supported. Trump and Mitch said no. Trump wanted around 1.2 trillion
-They said ok, compromise, let us meet in the middle. Came down a trillion. Still no.
-They were negotiating, then Mitch told Trump to walk away from the table, he did. Then passed some stupid memos and executive order
-Weeks later they come back to the table, they are negotiating down to the wire, Mitch was saying the Senate would not agree to such a large a bill. It seems like he was never on board with whatever Mnuchin and Pelosi were working out. He was the one saying welp we would have to wait until the lame-duck session.
-Lame-duck session, he still not supporting any bill besides the skinny one he proposed

-Just recently a bipartisan group put together a weak sauce compromise deal. The Dems said they would support the bill as a jumping-off point for negotiations. Agreeing to the size and scope deal could have been based on that. Mitch McConnell said no to this outright.

https://www.adn.com/nation-world/20...n-senate-for-bipartisan-pandemic-aid-package/

The part you are ignoring is that Mitch McConnell never backed any of Trump's higher proposals. When Mnuchin was trying to cut a deal, they only brought a skinny bill to the Senate. Not a 1.2 trillion plan, not a 1.7 trillion-dollar one.

The Dems are generally united in the negotiating position, the GOP isn't, that is the core negotiating issue. Trump can't control McConnell. That is why I am putting so much blame on Mitch, even above Trump. Because Mitch himself showed no interest to compromise, or even passing what was Mnuchin supposedly offering.

Plus the flip side of your argument exists too. If providing economic help to the economy were so tied to Trump's electoral chances, then it is on him that he didn't accept the massive bailout the Dems were proposing. How in the hell was Pelosi trying to sabotage the man, when her plan was the most robust and provided the most help. He could have easily agreed to it, and own it as his own politically, and improve his electoral chances. The smart politics was to take the Dems deal if we are gonna talking about Trump's electoral chances. But because Pelosi didn't just roll over to Trump completely, she is against helping people?

Your only criticism of them seems to be they didn't give in to the GOP's ****ery for short-changing people along the way, so they are equally to blame for people get help. That they didn't abandon all the other stuff and agree to skinny bills with no guarantee that the negotiations about the other stuff would continue. How about the damn GOP unify around a position and negotiate in good faith.

So please, spare me the false equivalency
 
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barrebaby said:
New stand alone stimulus bill that might even have the attention of the orangeman.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/10/rep...ils-plan-for-second-1200-stimulus-checks.html

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Not the best plan, (no hazard pay, UI, or PUA) but stand alone bIlls should have been on the table now for months. Fix one thing at a time, instead of lumping everything together its just not working. This is why I believe they can't get anything passed, too much fat in these bills and there's always a sticking point on either side.

Facts: I think both parties want stimulus checks (maybe different amounts)
Facts: same with UI (different amounts)
Facts: same with evictions
Borderline: student loan, PPP, EIDL, and testing money
Disagree: state funding
Disagree: liability for businesses and their employees

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What you are and ton of other people are ignoring is that the GOP (Especially Trump and Mitch) are not united in their negotiating position. Trump wants to come under the Dems, Mitch wants to come under Trump and make sure there is a liability shield.

Look at the recent bipartisan proposal. It had no checks but advanced UI benefits get removed. Mncuchin lowballed that and said give people $600 checks, but take out the unemployment insurance....
https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2020/12/08/stimulus-checks-economic-relief-package/

The Trump administration on Tuesday proposed an economic relief package that would offer far skimpier federal unemployment benefits than what has been proposed by a bipartisan group of lawmakers, adding an element of uncertainty into the fragile stimulus negotiations, according to two people familiar with the matter.

Instead, Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin has proposed that lawmakers approve another stimulus check worth $600 per person and $600 per child, the people familiar with the plan said, speaking on the condition of anonymity to share details of private deliberations.

The new White House proposal was a nonstarter for Democrats and a sharp rejection of the bipartisan efforts that have brought the two parties closer to a compromise on a legislative package amid signs that the U.S. economy is deteriorating under the increasing strain of the coronavirus.

Under the bipartisan framework released last week by a group of moderate lawmakers, Congress would approve about $180 billion in new federal unemployment benefits for tens of millions of jobless Americans. That would be enough to fund federal supplementary unemployment benefits at $300 per week while extending various unemployment programs that are set to expire at the end of the year. The framework did not include another round of stimulus payments.

By contrast, Mnuchin has submitted a plan to provide about $40 billion in new funding for federal unemployment benefits. Mnuchin’s plan would extend expiring benefits but does not include any supplementary federal benefit, meaning millions of jobless workers would receive no additional federal help, one person familiar with the plan said. A spokeswoman for the Treasury Department declined to comment.
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jewseejay said:
What are you on about? Were discussing how Mitch The Obstructionest mCONnel aint alone in his ways. Pelosi has flat out said she didnt agree to the 1.2 trillion dollar White House offer 3 months ago because she didnt wanna give Trump something he could turn into a win come elction day.

So no, we dont need to decipher when the republicans have or have not comprimised in the past. Its completely irrelevelant

Mnuchin, Mconnel, Pelosi, Meadows, Schumer all fingers of the same hand. Some point up some point down but they are the same. Politcs first
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She didn't want something he could turn into a win, so she was demanding he agree to a larger bailout that he could easily take credit for on election day.

Yep, makes sense
 
www.businessinsider.com

Americans haven't received another round of COVID-19 stimulus because negotiations have dragged on for 6 months

Six months have passed without the second stimulus package many US economists say is needed. Here's how we got here, and who's responsible.
www.businessinsider.com www.businessinsider.com

Looks like it's the Senate that has been playing games to me. They couldn't pass any of the bills they put on the floor while the House has passed two.
RustyShackleford said:
The part you are ignoring is that Mitch McConnell never backed any of Trump's higher proposals. When Mnuchin was trying to cut a deal, they only brought a skinny bill to the Senate. Not a 1.2 trillion plan, not a 1.7 trillion-dollar one.

The Dems are generally united in the negotiating position, the GOP isn't, that is the core negotiating issue. Trump can't control McConnell. That is why I am putting so much blame on Mitch, even above Trump. Because Mitch himself showed no interest to compromise, or even passing what was Mnuchin supposedly offering.
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Exactly. There's only one party here doing theatrics, and it's been the same damn game since the 90s.
 
jewseejay said:
Lets take a stroll down memory lane... yall remember when Mnuchin gave up and was just gunna extend ui benefits as a standalone while they argued it out in september? Then Nancy but the kabosh on everything because that would take away some of her leverage to play political games? Or we pretending that never happened ?
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I just feel like the system is designed to be divided against itself, one side demonstrably the 'bad guy' and the other intended to give the impression of being for the people while in reality meant to be impotent with no real ability to accomplish their stated goals. Democrats aren't republicans but they are in the fabric of the same cloth made to suffocate everyone
 
Embarrassing how they asking for cancer donations, wounded warrior donations... toy drives, etc etc...


.... but yeah a one time $1200 payment was good. It’s laughable how much of a joke this place is. Don’t ask me to donate s**** :lol: :lol: :lol:

Donate! Donate! Donate! Donate!!!
 
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