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Good facts man, that pretty sums the whole argument up I think. Teams playing on the road in those places are at a distinct disadvantage.
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[color= rgb(0, 153, 255)]Honestly, I don't even remember playing as rough as you made itout to be in your first post where you said Mexicans were dirty (including coaching staff) other than Nery's two incidents. Some tackles don't getcalled that is part of the game, but to say refs were completely in Mexico's favor is ridiculous. Keep bringing on the excuses. I respect how Bradley andOnyewu came out and recognized Mexico's win as a fair win.[/color] [color= rgb(0, 153, 255)]Teams showwhat superiority is by defeating the opponent, not with words. And yes, we would all love a World Cup Match.[/color] [color= rgb(0, 153, 255)]Check the list on the right.[/color]Originally Posted by Craftsy21
Originally Posted by CruzAzul9
[color= rgb(0, 153, 255)]Show me a clip where they played dirty, those things you mentioned were when match was stopped (not sliding tackles like the U.S). Any team who is actually looking to win with time running out always lifts a player up (Davies) or tries to retrieve the ball to put it in play asap (Onyewu).. why? this was just time wasting by the U.S. Oh lets punish Nery for trying to lift him up but not do anything to the guy that ran and pushed Nery off. What did Aguirre or Carrillo do that was dirty? Still hurting after the Panama incident?[/color]
[color= rgb(0, 153, 255)]Definately not a game that deserved a draw. When a team dominates possession and shots vs a team who stood back hoping to counter attack or score from a corner/freekick? That deserves a tie?
[color= rgb(0, 153, 255)]Also, sounds like you have some issues that go beyond the sport.[/color].. Donovan.., is that you?[/color]
You can put a hand out to help a guy to his feet, that's acceptable. But grabbing a player by his head while he's potentially hurt is uncalled for. Our guys running to his aide is exactly what anybody would expect their team to do. Don't try to spin that like it was an okay incident, there's a huge difference between trying to kill time and legitimately being in pain - if you noticed, we took Charlie out of the game for what he was on the ground about. We weren't pulling the typical Mexican-stall like you guys do starting with 85 minutes left if you happen to have a lead.. i've never seen a team pull that crap as badly as you guys do. So to even call another team out on it is just ridiculous.
And I admitted we got outplayed - but don't mistake the control thing as the only reason we were outplayed.. for one, we don't play a control style, and never have. I'd love to be able to, but that's not how our team is built. We are a countering team and we like playing through the air. That's just a conflict of styles, mexico will dominate possession every single time we play them, even if we were winning 5-0, it's just the style of both teams.
How about the 3 different tackles the american announcers pointed out that were UNBELIEVABLY not carded for, one wasn't even a foul by the refs. Yet all were just as "vicious" as the 3 yellow cards that our guys got. Don't remember those eh? Convenient.
It's no secret at all that we get screwed on calls EVERYWHERE outside of the US, and even many times within the states. It's also no coincidence that you guys are so unbeatable at home - it has very little to do with talent, and much more to do with buffoonery from the refs and playing 12 miles up in the sky. Be proud of that I guess.
I said from the start - we didn't deserve to win.. we sent a crappy lineup out, we played too defensively, and we didn't make enough solid plays on defense. But we still could've easily tied if the game were officiated better, and to me - that says something about Mexico moreso than us.
Enjoy your win - it's whatever, you guys never gave us a chance there anyways. I just can't wait to play you somewhere fair again and see what happens.. i'd LOVE to see you in the world cup itself somehow again. Oh would i love it.
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the usa A team is better than mexicos A team, and it aint no high horse or biasness
how they dont have it when the last real game before this was against brazil in the final and spain in the semi finals so if they dont have "it" after not playing together for a month then thats not a correct statement
mexico should be happy that they play in high altitude
the thing is mexico could only beat the us in mexico, and that will change soon, everywhere else in the world that doesnt have high altitude the us will/would win,,,,, every where!!! and if u dont agree with that then you're full of it
[color= rgb(0, 153, 255)]Every team in the World uses a stadium that will give them HOMEadvantage. U.S picks cities in the east where it's cold/windy all the time. U.S is not the best team in CONCACAF as has been shown in the Gold Cup Finaland yesterdays match... or was this their A- squad?[/color]
[color= rgb(0, 153, 255)]And you say no bias LOL[/color]
[color= rgb(0, 153, 255)]The U.S team is not better than Mexico, how a mix of Gold Cup and "A"Squad defeated your "A" squad (or "A-"??) squad says it all.[/color]
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Craftsy, I knew you would come on here and make some kind of garbage excuse like always. It's sad and pathetic that even after your team plays cowardly youSTILL make excuses for them. Mexico had one defensive mistake and you capitalized on it. Other than that you guys did absolutely nothing and got dominated theWHOLE game.
As far as Nery trying to help up the player, please don't be naive. There was absolutely NOTHING wrong with Davies he was just TIRED. He KNEW they weregoing to sub him out he just wanted to take some more time off the clock. Don't act like he was seriously injured, Craftsy come on I expect more out of aperson who says they watch soccer. All he did was try to burn time.
It's funny you say Mexico played dirty. Point to the plays that shows us playing dirty? And what "vicious" tackles are you talking about? I canonly recall one foul that should have been a yellow, and that's Guardados tackle. The other tackle on Donovan was NOT A YELLOW, but it should have beenbrought back. If ANYTHING, you guys played A HELL OF A LOT DIRTIER than we did. EVERY yellow card a US player got, he deserved. Out of all the excuses thatcome out your mouth the "mexicans played dirty" excuse is the lamest of them all.
To say the officiating was the reason you guys lost or part of the reason is asinine and ridiculous. Did Mexico get favorable calls? Sure, but you expect thatin ANY SPORT for the HOME TEAM. You sure don't seem to complain when it's in your favor though. Instead of blaming the ref on your team's poorplay, start blaming yourself because you guys played with your tail between your legs for 90 minutes. You guys didn't deserve a tie. You got outplayed thewhole game and you're lucky we didn't score more. And please don't use the altitude excuse either. Is it a big factor? Yes it is but it affectsboth teams equally. Blame your loss on Donovan got letting his man go by which lead to the winning goal. 2-1 baby...
Oh and try not to make the racism so obvious in your posts next time. I understand you hate the Mexican SOCCER team but I think your hatred goes beyond sports.I don't respect racist people but I respect closet racists a lot less.
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As far as Nery trying to help up the player, please don't be naive. There was absolutely NOTHING wrong with Davies he was just TIRED. He KNEW they weregoing to sub him out he just wanted to take some more time off the clock. Don't act like he was seriously injured, Craftsy come on I expect more out of aperson who says they watch soccer. All he did was try to burn time.
It's funny you say Mexico played dirty. Point to the plays that shows us playing dirty? And what "vicious" tackles are you talking about? I canonly recall one foul that should have been a yellow, and that's Guardados tackle. The other tackle on Donovan was NOT A YELLOW, but it should have beenbrought back. If ANYTHING, you guys played A HELL OF A LOT DIRTIER than we did. EVERY yellow card a US player got, he deserved. Out of all the excuses thatcome out your mouth the "mexicans played dirty" excuse is the lamest of them all.
To say the officiating was the reason you guys lost or part of the reason is asinine and ridiculous. Did Mexico get favorable calls? Sure, but you expect thatin ANY SPORT for the HOME TEAM. You sure don't seem to complain when it's in your favor though. Instead of blaming the ref on your team's poorplay, start blaming yourself because you guys played with your tail between your legs for 90 minutes. You guys didn't deserve a tie. You got outplayed thewhole game and you're lucky we didn't score more. And please don't use the altitude excuse either. Is it a big factor? Yes it is but it affectsboth teams equally. Blame your loss on Donovan got letting his man go by which lead to the winning goal. 2-1 baby...
Oh and try not to make the racism so obvious in your posts next time. I understand you hate the Mexican SOCCER team but I think your hatred goes beyond sports.I don't respect racist people but I respect closet racists a lot less.
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Riddle me this. If Mexico is only good at el Azeca how come Mexico consistently get's out of the group stage at every WC? And how come the U.S. didn'tget out the group stage last WC?Hmmm..I guess Mexico had been playing their WC group matches at Azteca too huh?
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Na man, nothing comes close. I just got home and watched the replay and the noise doesn't travel at all in the broad cast. I'm telling allof yal it's something you gota experience before you die.
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what happened in '02?
the Mexican national team has never advanced further in the World Cup than the US team...you're happy to just make it out of the group stage? my point was Mexico hasnt had much success away from Mexico City, just making it out of the group stage is not much to write home about...and the US had a much tougher group in '06, getting out of a group that includes Angola and Iran should be expected for you guys
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Oh and try not to make the racism so obvious in your posts next time. I understand you hate the Mexican SOCCER team but I think your hatred goes beyond sports. I don't respect racist people but I respect closet racists a lot less.
So racist? It's obvious I'm talking about the mexican soccer team and their fans when i refer to the country... I'm not insinuatingthat i hate the entire country of Mexico, although if you're the representation of what they stand for, childish close-minded homer behavior, than maybe iam starting to... but seriously, grow up.
If I have to go back through the tape and point out all the CRAP that wasn't called against Mexico compared to the same crap that was called on the US,there is no way you're going to see things my way. These were blatant things that anybody who wasn't a complete homer would be able to point out, thefact that you act so dumbfounded about it all just goes to show me how irrational you truly are - so i'm not wasting my time with you anymore.
You guys won - i gave you credit for winning, you outplayed us.. that doesn't mean I don't think you guys got away with a lot of calls that helpeddetermine the game, it doesn't mean i don't think your team and fans are unsportsmanlike - i mean, it's not like you guys get along well with ANYcountry you play, everytime I'm seeing controversy with international soccer fans and teams it seems to involve your team.
So yeah - i'm probably just imagining that you guys are a bunch of dirty players and fans.
But there's no convincing you of anything you don't already believe, so i'm done talking to you about it. Congratulations, you guys won a gameagainst us in mexico... what a surprise.i used to think it was just atough place to play though, now i can see there's certainly more to the story than just the atmosphere.
Adios dawg.
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don't know if anyone has mentioned it but Jozy hasn't played any games and has only trained about 2 weeks maybe less since the Brazil game, I'malmost certain that's why he didn't play more, he had no chance in that environment
also Donovan has swine flu
http://www.fannation.com/si_blogs/grant_wahl/posts/74041-landon-donovan-has-h1n1-flu-virus
also Donovan has swine flu
http://www.fannation.com/si_blogs/grant_wahl/posts/74041-landon-donovan-has-h1n1-flu-virus
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I wanted to quote about 5 different posts, but I'll save you the extra reading.
bottom line for me.... AND PLEASE BELIEVE THAT I AM A US SUPPORTER ALL THE WAY THROUGH. Mexico won! congrats. BUT, for me, the game WAS decided by the referee.And before everyone says... ANOTHER US supporter is blaming the referee, please read this.
As a defender, you start EVERY single game like NO one, NO MATTER what the situation, is getting to the goal through you. RIGHT? So, when the ref gives ayellow card for a foul committed in the 26th and RIGHT away 2 mins later, it sends a message to everyone on that team that the game is going to be tight. thatis something i am sure we can all agree on.
Now, when you make those same 2 calls on fouls made 2 defenders, IT CHANGES THAT (AND EVERY OTHER) DEFENDER'S MENTALITY. I don't know why all of yousoccer experts and mexico supporters dont see this. WHen you're a defender and you KNOW you're on a yellow card, you are likely not to make that slidetackle, commit a professional foul, question a call, stand over the ball, etc. As a referee, if you change that mentality of a defender, you are DIRECTLYimpacting the game.
My other complaint was that SIMILAR calls were NOT being cautioned when mex was committing the foul. I did NOT say the same fouls... I said SIMILAR fouls. Ifhe was SO quick to caution the US players, as a FAIR referee, he NEEDS to caution BOTH teams for the same degree of foul committed.
Do i sound like I'm bitter... HELL Yeah I'm bitter. I am actually upset. Not because of the refs. Not because of the US's poor display... notbecause of the loss... but ALL of it.
With that said, I FIRMLY believe that mexico was the better team on AUG 12, but they are NO way a better team than the US. It doesn't take a soccer expertto know that. Mexico played in their ideal setting, in their ideal conditions, at home. They were more comfortable w/ the conditions and it showed. That'sa HUGE reason they won. (and the fact that US played bad) But like I said, an AUG 12 victory when US NEEDED the points WAY more than US did does NOT makeMexico a better team. Be real... talk about naive?
The ONLY good thing about this whole situation is the fact that what was supposed to happen... happened. Mexico was supposed to win and they did. Other thanthat... congrats to mexico.
Regardless of what happened in mexico city yesterday, I really don't care. I would LOVE to see US beat Mexico in mexico city, but I would LOVE to see USbeat England in England, China in China, and Russia in Russia. You get the point. The ultimate goal in the CONCACAF regionals is NOT about beating Mexico atAzteca, its about finishing in the TOP 3 to get an automatic birth to South Africa next year. So far, we're alright.
Congrats to Mexico once again.... but don't forget this was SUPPOSED to happen.
bottom line for me.... AND PLEASE BELIEVE THAT I AM A US SUPPORTER ALL THE WAY THROUGH. Mexico won! congrats. BUT, for me, the game WAS decided by the referee.And before everyone says... ANOTHER US supporter is blaming the referee, please read this.
As a defender, you start EVERY single game like NO one, NO MATTER what the situation, is getting to the goal through you. RIGHT? So, when the ref gives ayellow card for a foul committed in the 26th and RIGHT away 2 mins later, it sends a message to everyone on that team that the game is going to be tight. thatis something i am sure we can all agree on.
Now, when you make those same 2 calls on fouls made 2 defenders, IT CHANGES THAT (AND EVERY OTHER) DEFENDER'S MENTALITY. I don't know why all of yousoccer experts and mexico supporters dont see this. WHen you're a defender and you KNOW you're on a yellow card, you are likely not to make that slidetackle, commit a professional foul, question a call, stand over the ball, etc. As a referee, if you change that mentality of a defender, you are DIRECTLYimpacting the game.
My other complaint was that SIMILAR calls were NOT being cautioned when mex was committing the foul. I did NOT say the same fouls... I said SIMILAR fouls. Ifhe was SO quick to caution the US players, as a FAIR referee, he NEEDS to caution BOTH teams for the same degree of foul committed.
Do i sound like I'm bitter... HELL Yeah I'm bitter. I am actually upset. Not because of the refs. Not because of the US's poor display... notbecause of the loss... but ALL of it.
With that said, I FIRMLY believe that mexico was the better team on AUG 12, but they are NO way a better team than the US. It doesn't take a soccer expertto know that. Mexico played in their ideal setting, in their ideal conditions, at home. They were more comfortable w/ the conditions and it showed. That'sa HUGE reason they won. (and the fact that US played bad) But like I said, an AUG 12 victory when US NEEDED the points WAY more than US did does NOT makeMexico a better team. Be real... talk about naive?
The ONLY good thing about this whole situation is the fact that what was supposed to happen... happened. Mexico was supposed to win and they did. Other thanthat... congrats to mexico.
Regardless of what happened in mexico city yesterday, I really don't care. I would LOVE to see US beat Mexico in mexico city, but I would LOVE to see USbeat England in England, China in China, and Russia in Russia. You get the point. The ultimate goal in the CONCACAF regionals is NOT about beating Mexico atAzteca, its about finishing in the TOP 3 to get an automatic birth to South Africa next year. So far, we're alright.
Congrats to Mexico once again.... but don't forget this was SUPPOSED to happen.
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there is a major difference in playing in a cold/windy city than one 7,400 ft above sea level...i dont even understand that argument.....and no you guys are not the best in Concacaf...you guys did what you had to do in WCQ, winning at home...it was a great Gold Cup win for your team, no doubt..but what happened in 2007 when both teams brought a comparable lineup? two straight wins doesnt cancel out the dominance the US has had this decade
how many times has the U.S. played in Columbus?
i guess its also cold in Dallas, Houston, Arizona, L.A., Chicago in the summer, Tennessee.
Good game by Mexico, but i did not like us immediately going to a defense mind right after we made the goal. !#@# that damn ref, the number of calls werearound the same, but damn he only had cards for the U.S. and his bs inconsistently. Also !#@# that linesman making the offside call on Charlie.
Congratulations to mexico, they won a game they had to win.
and just like my boy Donovan said, if they play us anywhere else outside of azteca they will not win. Good thing that its going to be a cold World Cup.
edit: did Honduras win? i didnt catch the game, so i need a rundown on it.
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I don't even read these posts anymore because it's the same old repetitive WE WOULD HAVE, SHOULD HAVE, COULD HAVE WON, (but didn't).
Blame it on the refs... right........
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No wonder he got burned on that last goal.
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Of course the mentality of a defender changes when he gets a yellow, and even more so when three of your starting defenders get carded. But who's fault isthat? Every yellow card the U.S. got was DESERVED and to say it wasn't then you're being a homer. Don't blame the ref, blame your players formaking stupid tackles. I can only recall one play in which a Mexican player deserved a card and that was the Guardado foul. Other than that, there werequestionable calls that were in favor of Mexico but nothing game changing. Did the yellows affect the way they played? Yes, but like I said they were all goodyellows and none of those are in question so you're blaming the wrong person. As far as U.S. being better than Mexico, that's debatable. Other than theWC win (which I give you props for) Mexico wins in Mexico and the US wins in the US. Until they play on neutral soil again it's debatable who's better.Let's take a look at the last few US matches.
- 3-1 Loss to Italy
- 3-0 Loss to Brazil
- 3-0 Win vs. Egypt
- 2-0 Win vs. Spain (A game in which you guys got outplayed all game and capitalized on two horrible uncharacteristic mistakes by Spain)
- 3-2 Loss to Brazil (Huge choke job)
- 5-0 Loss to Mexico (It was your B/C (or F teacm accoding to some NTers) but played a terrible game)
- 2-1 Loss to Mexico (Got outplayed for 90 minutes and bunkered the WHOLE game)
A 2-5 record doesn't really show me you guys are a good team, just very opertunistic. Take youre homer glasses off.
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haha... we're not talking about who's better than brazil or italy or whoever. To judge a team by their results against OTHER teams is ridiculous. Oneof the most beautiful things about soccer is that any team can beat another on any given day. Like I said, the ref didn't decide the game. There were manyfactors that came into play that led to a Mex win. But the ref made decisions that influenced the outcome of the game. In MANY, MANY other situations, anotherref would NOT have given yellow cards for either of the 3 given in the 1st half.
regardless, congrats to mexico. they were better on weds afternoon. There are only a few, VERY few NTers who would say that Mex is better than US right now. Weall know they are not 5 goals better than USA like last month... but to say that yesterdays display by BOTH teams is representative of where they currently arein their "rivalry," right!!!!
just be happy, take the 3 points, and take the W with class. You know me... i'm not on here talking about who how bad mexico is or how great the US is.that's not my style. The ultimate goal of both teams is to be playing in SA next summer. is this going to matter if US, Costa Rica, and Honduras go throughand Mex loses to the 5 place team from south america? probably not.
Good luck to both US and mexico.
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[color= rgb(0, 153, 255)]Every team in the World uses a stadium that will give them HOME advantage. U.S picks cities in the east where it's cold/windy all the time. U.S is not the best team in CONCACAF as has been shown in the Gold Cup Final and yesterdays match... or was this their A- squad?[/color]Originally Posted by CruzAzul9
[color= rgb(0, 153, 255)]Honestly, I don't even remember playing as rough as you made it out to be in your first post where you said Mexicans were dirty (including coaching staff) other than Nery's two incidents. Some tackles don't get called that is part of the game, but to say refs were completely in Mexico's favor is ridiculous. Keep bringing on the excuses. I respect how Bradley and Onyewu came out and recognized Mexico's win as a fair win.[/color] [color= rgb(0, 153, 255)]Teams show what superiority is by defeating the opponent, not with words. And yes, we would all love a World Cup Match.[/color] [color= rgb(0, 153, 255)]Check the list on the right.[/color]Originally Posted by Craftsy21
Originally Posted by CruzAzul9
[color= rgb(0, 153, 255)]Show me a clip where they played dirty, those things you mentioned were when match was stopped (not sliding tackles like the U.S). Any team who is actually looking to win with time running out always lifts a player up (Davies) or tries to retrieve the ball to put it in play asap (Onyewu).. why? this was just time wasting by the U.S. Oh lets punish Nery for trying to lift him up but not do anything to the guy that ran and pushed Nery off. What did Aguirre or Carrillo do that was dirty? Still hurting after the Panama incident?[/color]
[color= rgb(0, 153, 255)]Definately not a game that deserved a draw. When a team dominates possession and shots vs a team who stood back hoping to counter attack or score from a corner/freekick? That deserves a tie?
[color= rgb(0, 153, 255)]Also, sounds like you have some issues that go beyond the sport.[/color].. Donovan.., is that you?[/color]
You can put a hand out to help a guy to his feet, that's acceptable. But grabbing a player by his head while he's potentially hurt is uncalled for. Our guys running to his aide is exactly what anybody would expect their team to do. Don't try to spin that like it was an okay incident, there's a huge difference between trying to kill time and legitimately being in pain - if you noticed, we took Charlie out of the game for what he was on the ground about. We weren't pulling the typical Mexican-stall like you guys do starting with 85 minutes left if you happen to have a lead.. i've never seen a team pull that crap as badly as you guys do. So to even call another team out on it is just ridiculous.
And I admitted we got outplayed - but don't mistake the control thing as the only reason we were outplayed.. for one, we don't play a control style, and never have. I'd love to be able to, but that's not how our team is built. We are a countering team and we like playing through the air. That's just a conflict of styles, mexico will dominate possession every single time we play them, even if we were winning 5-0, it's just the style of both teams.
How about the 3 different tackles the american announcers pointed out that were UNBELIEVABLY not carded for, one wasn't even a foul by the refs. Yet all were just as "vicious" as the 3 yellow cards that our guys got. Don't remember those eh? Convenient.
It's no secret at all that we get screwed on calls EVERYWHERE outside of the US, and even many times within the states. It's also no coincidence that you guys are so unbeatable at home - it has very little to do with talent, and much more to do with buffoonery from the refs and playing 12 miles up in the sky. Be proud of that I guess.
I said from the start - we didn't deserve to win.. we sent a crappy lineup out, we played too defensively, and we didn't make enough solid plays on defense. But we still could've easily tied if the game were officiated better, and to me - that says something about Mexico moreso than us.
Enjoy your win - it's whatever, you guys never gave us a chance there anyways. I just can't wait to play you somewhere fair again and see what happens.. i'd LOVE to see you in the world cup itself somehow again. Oh would i love it.
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the usa A team is better than mexicos A team, and it aint no high horse or biasness
how they dont have it when the last real game before this was against brazil in the final and spain in the semi finals so if they dont have "it" after not playing together for a month then thats not a correct statement
mexico should be happy that they play in high altitude
the thing is mexico could only beat the us in mexico, and that will change soon, everywhere else in the world that doesnt have high altitude the us will/would win,,,,, every where!!! and if u dont agree with that then you're full of it
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[color= rgb(0, 153, 255)]The U.S team is not better than Mexico, how a mix of Gold Cup and "A" Squad defeated your "A" squad (or "A-"??) squad says it all.[/color]
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how much teams actually win in the azteca?........im waiting.................
your argument makes no sense cause its rare that mexico losses there cause of the high altitude us A team plays mexico then mexico lose
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it all depends on the groups ur in, i wont say that mexico is trash cause the team is good(real talk) but when the us played mexico in the wc in germany , whowon?
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i dont give a crap about the gold cup but its funny you mentioned it yet u left out all the games they won in that tournament
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Originally Posted by mrtramericanjr
i dont give a crap about the gold cup but its funny you mentioned it yet u left out all the games they won in that tournament
You're right I didn't even think of that so take out the Mexico/USA gold cup game since that wasn't their full team. You're still left with a2-4 record.
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What I don't understand is why there are people saying Bob should be fired. Why? He took you guys to the Confederations Cup final and almostbeat Brazil. The USMNT took a few steps foward and firing him will be like taking another step back. Plus we're real close to the WC you don't want togo through what Mexico has gone through.
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Random Thought - Oh and D, You said that this result was "supposed" to happen but if you guys knew that why did every US supporters and their mommassay "wait til the 12", "wait til we get out A team"? That didn't sound like a group of people who expected to lose, that sounded likequite confident supporters who thought they were going to win.
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