Official NBA 2012-2013 Season Thread

[rrlegend]

Because no one gives a damn about the Hawks in Atlanta? They've been in the playoffs for how many years consecutively, and still rank in the bottom 5 of attendance?
I agree. I like that we have a team in Toronto. Keep 'em there.

nothings wrong with Toronto just thinking of teams with no relevant history or a tradition of winning. If the hawks didn't even get a threat of relocation prior to 2008 they aren't going no where. bobcats should be 1st on the list now

 

[niketalker23]

Im against relocation as long as the current city is able to take the necessary steps to keep it's team. When a franchise is for sale, it's current city should also have the first opportunity to find a buyer to keep them from moving.

 

[duba169]

Yeah, but for some reason, I've only seen a team thread on page 1 of S&T once in like 2 years.

NT is a very small sample size at the end of the day. There are so many celtics fans out there but the thread is dead. Just isn't a great representation of an actual fan base.

 

[lightweight champion]

Attendance numbers do lie. Maloofs sold on January 9th, attendance went up by an average of 1,000 per game after the announcement. Tell me we don't deserve the Kings.

 

[Deleted member 38182]

all you guys trying to figure out who to move need to look at article VII and VIII of the NBA Constitution

it outlines the parameters of what a city needs to fail at in order for relocation to happen.......


basically the only realistic way for the NBA to move a team is if the existing arena is old as ****.

That sucks, means The Hawks stay

NBA owners don't want another expansion team, more tax. Seattle screwed, again.

here i'll just post a part of David Aldridge's article

Article VII, titled "Relocation," establishes the parameters of how an ownership group applies to move.

It must:

• Apply in writing.
• Identify the city and arena in which it plans to play.
• Pay a $250,000 fee to the league to defray the costs of the league's investigation of the group. (If the investigation winds up costing less than $250K, the group gets the difference back.)
• Apply for relocation by March 1 of the preceding season.
• The Relocation Committee must have at least five participating members for a quorum. And that committee must make a report to the full Board within 120 days of receiving the application.

For its part, the relocation committee must, as detailed in Article VII, make its decision on specific criteria. This includes:

• What is the support of the team in the existing location?
• What is the ability of the existing location to continue to support the team?
• What is the demographic breakdown of the existing location -- the population, age, income, market size for cable or other television?
• Conversely, what are the same conditions like in the city to which the owners want to move?
• What would be the effect of relocation on the overall ability to market the league? How would it affect the league's television partners, if at all?
• Would there be a particular disadvantage to travel and/or scheduling by allowing the move? (Interestingly, Article VII also allows for this possibility: are there any other owners who might want to move their teams to that market? This allows for the possibility that there could be an owner willing to spend even more to move there, allowing the league to max out the financial possibilities of a given market.)

Article VII also establishes that the league can demand a relocation fee from the owners that are planning to move the team. Clay Bennett's group paid $30 million to be allowed to move the Sonics from Seattle to Oklahoma City in 2008; it's likely the league would ask for more than that to let the Kings move to Seattle -- because approving the move would close the Seattle market to anyone else. What is it worth to the NBA to not have Seattle available in the future as a possible expansion destination, as opposed to Sacramento? Yet the relocation fee is not likely to be so onerous as to threaten to scotch the deal; the NBA wouldn't ask for, say, $150 million from the Kings' owners.

Article VIII, titled "Arenas," is key as well. The basic tenet of Article VIII is that the Commissioner must be satisfied that the arena to which a team is moving to play is acceptable on an interim basis, and that the new owners are committed to making whatever temporary upgrades are needed in the building until a new arena is built.

The relocation committee will also use Article VIII to determine which arena plan it believes is more viable, realistic and will be completed sooner.

Hansen's group has proposed moving the Kings to Seattle in time for next season, playing two years in Key Arena, where the Sonics used to play. After that, the team would move into a new arena near the Mariners' Safeco Field, in what is known as the South of Downtown (Sodo) area. Hansen estimates the building will cost $491 million, with the city of Seattle contributing $200 million toward construction, and Hansen's group contributing the rest.

 

[rrlegend]

it still bothers me how okc got there team 

 if it  was the hornets that relocated there it would of been more legit.

 

[jpzx]

so attendane numbers dont matter for the kings but do matter for the hawks?

 

[Animal Thug]

all you guys trying to figure out who to move need to look at article VII and VIII of the NBA Constitution

it outlines the parameters of what a city needs to fail at in order for relocation to happen.......


basically the only realistic way for the NBA to move a team is if the existing arena is old as ****.

Not necessarily, the Vancouver Grizzlies were moved because they were losing massive amounts of money.

 

[Deleted member 38182]

it still bothers me how okc got there team 

 if it  was the hornets that relocated there it would of been more legit.

Thats exactly what I meant by "the only realistic way for the NBA to move a team is if the existing arena is old as ****" because other than that its hard to find a reason to move a team

 

[a55a5in11]

it still bothers me how okc got there team   if it  was the hornets that relocated there it would of been more legit.

Thats exactly what I meant by "the only realistic way for the NBA to move a team is if the existing arena is old as ****" because other than that its hard to find a reason to move a team

word? because key arena was rebuilt in 95 and stern said then the arena was the best in the business. how does it go from the best to complete trash in 10 years?
the only way to move is if stern wants you too.

 

[Deleted member 38182]

it still bothers me how okc got there team 

 if it  was the hornets that relocated there it would of been more legit.

Thats exactly what I meant by "the only realistic way for the NBA to move a team is if the existing arena is old as ****" because other than that its hard to find a reason to move a team

word? because key arena was rebuilt in 95 and stern said then the arena was the best in the business. how does it go from the best to complete trash in 10 years?
the only way to move is if stern wants you too.

I have no quarrel with you... but yes I agree, Stern is the puppet master behind the scenes. But I meant more in terms of using the arena as a reason/excuse to relocate.

Hell if the Kings moved to Seattle, it would have only been because we had no arena plan.

 

[yeeupp]

LAL should of traded D. Howard to MEM during the season for M. Gasol and have a front court of

C - M. Gasol
PF - P. Gasol

 

[Bert.]

LAL should of traded D. Howard to MEM during the season for M. Gasol and have a front court of

C - M. Gasol
PF - P. Gasol

Grizzlies would rather have kept Gasol, they wouldnt touch that deal.

SRS

 

[Bert.]

Attendance numbers do lie. Maloofs sold on January 9th, attendance went up by an average of 1,000 per game after the announcement. Tell me we don't deserve the Kings.

so it took them potentially losing a team to show up to games? what happens next year? exactly

not hating just saying, if your gonna support your city/team dont just do it temporarily.

 

[Animal Thug]

so it took them potentially losing a team to show up to games? what happens next year? exactly

not hating just saying, if your gonna support your city/team dont just do it temporarily.

Not playing either side, but there's only so much bull **** a fanbse/city can take before the support stops.

I don't blame any NBA fanbase or city for not showing up if your team isn't putting out good quality basketball.

 

[krs87]

I have no quarrel with you... but yes I agree, Stern is the puppet master behind the scenes. But I meant more in terms of using the arena as a reason/excuse to relocate.

Hell if the Kings moved to Seattle, it would have only been because we had no arena plan.

The only beef I have is that Stern literally gave you guys every chance to keep your team...extending voting deadlines, finding investors, etc while we had to deal with Bennett lie about his intentions to keep the team in Seattle and run off with the team to OKC and even do so 2 years before the lease expires all while Stern sat there and did nothing.

And then Hansen & Ballmer come through with possibly the best offer to bring the Sonics back and again we get screwed by the NBA. Its frustrating to watch all this money and effort put forth all for nothing. I got no beef with Sactown yall deserve to keep your team, but **** Stern and the NBA.

 

[Deleted member 38182]

Attendance numbers do lie. Maloofs sold on January 9th, attendance went up by an average of 1,000 per game after the announcement. Tell me we don't deserve the Kings.

so it took them potentially losing a team to show up to games? what happens next year? exactly

not hating just saying, if your gonna support your city/team dont just do it temporarily.

No, it takes bombing measures Q&R in 2006, having a bottom feeding team with no effort to put a winning product on the floor, dangling relocation over the heads of a city for 3 years, and being not only the worst owners in all of sports but basically just being grimey *** human beings, to get people not to show up to games.

If you want a lesson on how to alienate a fan base, then take notes from the Maloofs.

17 of 29 sell out seasons while making the playoffs only 10 of those seasons, while having 2 of 5 longest sell out streaks in NBA history.....

Historically Sacramento has supported this team.

 

[a55a5in11]

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it still bothers me how okc got there team   if it  was the hornets that relocated there it would of been more legit.

Thats exactly what I meant by "the only realistic way for the NBA to move a team is if the existing arena is old as ****" because other than that its hard to find a reason to move a team

word? because key arena was rebuilt in 95 and stern said then the arena was the best in the business. how does it go from the best to complete trash in 10 years?
the only way to move is if stern wants you too.

I have no quarrel with you... but yes I agree, Stern is the puppet master behind the scenes. But I meant more in terms of using the arena as a reason/excuse to relocate.

Hell if the Kings moved to Seattle, it would have only been because we had no arena plan.
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fair enough. either way where was all this help from the NBA for seattle that NO and now SAC got?

 

[jumpmanfromdabay]

Was hoping for a team in Seattle

move the raptors or bobcats since those teams dont have any longterm history and move memphis or new orleans to the eastern conference. problem solved 

Why you telling me? I don't have nothing to do with moving franchises

 

[dirtybuhbuhnew]

I don't understand the back and fourth. Kings moving to Seattle won't change the fact the team is trash. New old fans won't make the team better. Nobody wants to go to Sac Town and nobody wants to go to Seattle. Its reality of the NBA.

 

[Deleted member 38182]

I don't understand the back and fourth. Kings moving to Seattle won't change the fact the team is trash. New old fans won't make the team better. Nobody wants to go to Sac Town and nobody wants to go to Seattle. Its reality of the NBA.

absolutely correct.

New ownership will change the fact the team is trash. And I can't ******g wait.

 

[rrlegend]

Why you telling me? I don't have nothing to do with moving franchises

naw i want a team in seattle again 

 

[shox23]

I don't understand the back and fourth. Kings moving to Seattle won't change the fact the team is trash. New old fans won't make the team better. Nobody wants to go to Sac Town and nobody wants to go to Seattle. Its reality of the NBA.

That's not true, when a team is sold it's under new management which usually means a new gm, coach, and players it's, it's not like the kings are devoid of talent, their pieces of puzzle don't fit well together

And Seattle was well supported their plans for a new arena wasn't

 

[jumpmanfromdabay]

Me 2. Wish OKC was never allowed to move.

 

[dirtybuhbuhnew]

That's not true, when a team is sold it's under new management which usually means a new gm, coach, and players it's, it's not like the kings are devoid of talent, their pieces of puzzle don't fit well together

And Seattle was well supported their plans for a new arena wasn't

That takes a good bit of time. OKC is clearly the rare exception.