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ray allen is done......if you watched him the last couple years in boston he couldn't hit open 3's in the playoffs....he might get hot every once in a while but he'll shoot 1-5 more often than not
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He needs more open shots.
do work son
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Kobe just said he got a face tat.
Kobe quickly becoming the biggest troll on twitter
when they start to fade, they'll do anything to stay relevant
for once you actually made some valid points. birdman probably won't have the point total he did but i expect him to get the same looks. and it isn't really fair to assume hill and lance will play better without mentioning that ray allen, norris cole, and shane battier combined for 2-16 which also probably won't happen in game 2.
just have to see how it plays out
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Yea Kobe looks real faded.
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How was Stephen Curry snubbed from both the All Star team and the All NBA Team this season after breaking the season 3 Point Record
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Next year he'll take Wades spot, dont worryHow was Stephen Curry snubbed from both the All Star team and the All NBA Team this season after breaking the season 3 Point Record
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Because there's a lot of great guards in the league right now.
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I think we can all agree Shane Battier is lame.
There's flopping to draw attention to contact... then there's what Shane Battier does.
He hits the floor after everything. Shots, screens, loose balls, rebounds.
Have some respect for yourself
There's flopping to draw attention to contact... then there's what Shane Battier does.
He hits the floor after everything. Shots, screens, loose balls, rebounds.
Have some respect for yourself
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roy hibbert needs to finish around the rim. lebron is an athletic guy, but no way should he cleanly block you. got to finish stronger, none of that flip shot
george hill was looking real bad and was overall careless with the ball
george hill was looking real bad and was overall careless with the ball
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Next year he'll take Wades spot, dont worryHow was Stephen Curry snubbed from both the All Star team and the All NBA Team this season after breaking the season 3 Point Record
im a fan of curry, but derrick rose will take his
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j.r. smith, french montana, coke boys, earl, nba playoffs
@ this being the basis of JR being on booger sugar
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Was looking up stats, and saw that LeBron has a chance to move up to No.9 on the NBA Playoff scoring list. He would need to average 37 points a game if they were to sweep the pacers, and sweep the finals
. Tim Duncan also needs 15 points to pass Jerry West to move up to no.6.
Kobe would have probably passed Kareem Abdul-Jabbar if he wouldn't have gotten hurt, and could have threaten MJ for No.1.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_career_playoff_scoring_leaders
Kobe would have probably passed Kareem Abdul-Jabbar if he wouldn't have gotten hurt, and could have threaten MJ for No.1.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_career_playoff_scoring_leaders
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I wont really say he's done, but he's getting near. One thing you can count on if you have Ray is, even if doesn't shoot that well in a game anymore his mere presence on the floor still demands a lot of respect from the defense.
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his defense is so bad these days, he cant stay in front his defender and it's gotten worse the last couple yrs. he is basically shoot WIDE open 3s playing with the heat. im surprised his pct isnt higher.
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True. Just primarily a decoy at this point. And yes the defense has just gone from bad to worse. The Bulls were really targeting him during the previous series.
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Sorry if it's a repost.
Phil Jackson says he’d take Bill Russell over Michael Jordan to start his team .
By Eric Freeman | Ball Don't Lie – 15 hours ago
......NBA coaching legend Phil Jackson is something of an authority on what it takes to win championships, but he typically hasn't weighed in on the more contentious basketball topics about which players are best or give their teams the best chance to win. In promoting his new book "Eleven Rings: The Soul of Success," Jackson has switched up his approach and made some stronger statements on these debates. For instance, he's directly compared Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant for the first time ever, adding to an argument that probably won't stop even after science allows us to pit their clones against each other in hand-to-hand combat.
However, that does not mean Jackson believes that Jordan is the best player ever to serve as the centerpiece of a championship team. In a new interview with Time.com, Jackson gives that edge to Boston Celtics great Bill Russell. The discussion begins at about the 2:30 mark of the video above; here's Jackson's answer, as transcribed by Ben Golliver of The Point Forward:
“In my estimation, the guy that has to be there would be Bill Russell. He has won 11 championships as a player,” Jackson said in an interview with Time. “That’s really the idea of what excellence is, when you win championships.” [...]
Jackson dodged when asked to select between Jordan and Lakers guard Kobe Bryant, whom he coached to five titles between 2000 and 2010.
“I would flip a coin,” he said. “Whichever one came up heads or tails, I’d take that person. They were that good.”
Jackson's argument is pretty simple: Russell beats Jordan in championships, 11-6, so that must mean he's more likely to win with this hypothetical team not bound by the limits of the space-time continuum. There are several complicating factors here, including the difficulty of comparing players across very different eras or the interplay of each legend and his teammates. Whatever the case, Jackson is giving Russell credit for his career, which doesn't easily fit into the binaries occupied by Jordan, Kobe, LeBron James, and other scorers.
In a way, winning this debate has become Russell's identity as one of the greatest players in basketball history. Many pundits have called him "the greatest winner," a designation that relies primarily on the sheer number of titles he won. Unfortunately, the description often doesn't go beyond that figure — it's used as shorthand for a host of cliches about what it takes to win rather than as an entry point to discuss the entirety of Russell's important legacy both on and off the court. He is remembered primarily as the most important player on the most successful dynasty in NBA history, not someone who changed the way defense was played at every level of the game or a dynamic talent of uncommon skills and athleticism. The "greatest winner" classification has simultaneously locked down his place in history and obscured the qualities that made him so important in the first place.
This is only so sad, because Russell's place near the top of these lists ensures that he won't be lost to history entirely. However, it's worth wondering exactly what placing him — or anyone, whether it's Jordan or Wilt Chamberlain or some active star — into a ranked discussion does to our memories and considerations of these players. Elite traits get defined as inferior to those of others, nuance falls away in favor of reductionist argumentation, etc. It's as if we argued over whether the god of thunder were greater than the god of the sea, forgetting that either deity holds more power than we can ever dream of. These rankings can be a fun diversion, and it's no surprise that they exist. It remains an open question as to what purpose they serve.
Phil Jackson says he’d take Bill Russell over Michael Jordan to start his team .
By Eric Freeman | Ball Don't Lie – 15 hours ago
......NBA coaching legend Phil Jackson is something of an authority on what it takes to win championships, but he typically hasn't weighed in on the more contentious basketball topics about which players are best or give their teams the best chance to win. In promoting his new book "Eleven Rings: The Soul of Success," Jackson has switched up his approach and made some stronger statements on these debates. For instance, he's directly compared Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant for the first time ever, adding to an argument that probably won't stop even after science allows us to pit their clones against each other in hand-to-hand combat.
However, that does not mean Jackson believes that Jordan is the best player ever to serve as the centerpiece of a championship team. In a new interview with Time.com, Jackson gives that edge to Boston Celtics great Bill Russell. The discussion begins at about the 2:30 mark of the video above; here's Jackson's answer, as transcribed by Ben Golliver of The Point Forward:
“In my estimation, the guy that has to be there would be Bill Russell. He has won 11 championships as a player,” Jackson said in an interview with Time. “That’s really the idea of what excellence is, when you win championships.” [...]
Jackson dodged when asked to select between Jordan and Lakers guard Kobe Bryant, whom he coached to five titles between 2000 and 2010.
“I would flip a coin,” he said. “Whichever one came up heads or tails, I’d take that person. They were that good.”
Jackson's argument is pretty simple: Russell beats Jordan in championships, 11-6, so that must mean he's more likely to win with this hypothetical team not bound by the limits of the space-time continuum. There are several complicating factors here, including the difficulty of comparing players across very different eras or the interplay of each legend and his teammates. Whatever the case, Jackson is giving Russell credit for his career, which doesn't easily fit into the binaries occupied by Jordan, Kobe, LeBron James, and other scorers.
In a way, winning this debate has become Russell's identity as one of the greatest players in basketball history. Many pundits have called him "the greatest winner," a designation that relies primarily on the sheer number of titles he won. Unfortunately, the description often doesn't go beyond that figure — it's used as shorthand for a host of cliches about what it takes to win rather than as an entry point to discuss the entirety of Russell's important legacy both on and off the court. He is remembered primarily as the most important player on the most successful dynasty in NBA history, not someone who changed the way defense was played at every level of the game or a dynamic talent of uncommon skills and athleticism. The "greatest winner" classification has simultaneously locked down his place in history and obscured the qualities that made him so important in the first place.
This is only so sad, because Russell's place near the top of these lists ensures that he won't be lost to history entirely. However, it's worth wondering exactly what placing him — or anyone, whether it's Jordan or Wilt Chamberlain or some active star — into a ranked discussion does to our memories and considerations of these players. Elite traits get defined as inferior to those of others, nuance falls away in favor of reductionist argumentation, etc. It's as if we argued over whether the god of thunder were greater than the god of the sea, forgetting that either deity holds more power than we can ever dream of. These rankings can be a fun diversion, and it's no surprise that they exist. It remains an open question as to what purpose they serve.
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Next year he'll take Wades spot, dont worryHow was Stephen Curry snubbed from both the All Star team and the All NBA Team this season after breaking the season 3 Point Record
im a fan of curry, but derrick rose will take his
This Steph Curry love is getting outta control.
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This Steph Curry love is getting outta control.
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How long people have been saying this is getting annoying, D wade might never be 100% healthy again.
Na LeBron dont want that.
I mean GS got beat in a pretty bad way in game 1 and came back game 2. I know they lost the series Im just saying. And yup agree with that last part
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I love Curry but healthy Rose > Steph
Westbrook > Steph too
Westbrook > Steph too
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Yeah this series is done. Vogel blew it not having Hibbert on the floor for 2 straight overtime possessions
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I think the pacers are broken
Miami could run away with one tonight
Can't turn the ball over like game 1
I think Birdman stays hot plays very well again
Miami could run away with one tonight
Can't turn the ball over like game 1
I think Birdman stays hot plays very well again
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How about NO. He's a star in this league and has had the tools to do so since day one.This Steph Curry love is getting outta control.
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How about NO. He's a star in this league and has had the tools to do so since day one.This Steph Curry love is getting outta control.
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We get that. Steph is the best shooter in the league but some of y'all are going overboard.
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