Official NBA 2012-2013 Season Thread

[sosmoney23]

No the only ones you could possibly say that Kobe fans have hated on was Lebron and T-Mac.

All those other guys were never revelant for a long enough period to be hated on. They were just flavors of the month, that some Kobe haters wanted to declare King

I'll agree with this for the most part but I think you can throw Wade in there too. Wade only stopped getting hated on when Bron came to the Heat so it's like the haters had to choose the lesser of the two evils.

Iverson was the most popular player in the league from 99-03, not no damn flavor of the month

 

[dman14]

one step closer to the ultimate goal
tmac to the finals

 

[statis22]

Yao only missed the 08 playoffs when TMac played tho.

 

[shoelyesses]

T-Mac in his prime was something fun to watch

The thing about McGrady in his prime was come postseason, his #'s actually improved from his regular season #'s (which were already very impressive). His lack of support hurt him. Its a shame because he did have something good in Houston but then Yao got injured

Wall seems to be enjoying the offseason

that and his fire and desire...dude had a bad case of randy moss-itis!! He was a great talent that settle for just that, being a great talent. Which may or may not have lead to him riddled with injuries throught his career. Kinda like stephon marbury, iverson...the list goes on and on.

 

[buc em]

I never felt Yao was a dominant center. Dude was like a Rik Smits, not bad, but not ever going to be great.

What in the hell...? Yao was absolutely dominant when he was healthy. Dude took over as the best center in the league in probably 05 or 06 and stayed the best til 2009, his last real healthy year. Rik Smits was a career 14 and 6 guy and was the third option on all his Pacer teams at best. Awful comparison.

 

[Maximus Meridius]

tmac was a great player in his prime but he couldnt even get passed the first round

And his teams had a 3 -1 lead and a 2 - 0 lead in 2 of those series. TMac is the most loved underachiever on NT, I swear.



Dude one of the most explosive scorers that league has ever seen for about 5 years but him and Vince Carter are in the category.

Tgat 2-0 lead was against Dallas and both of those wins were at Dallas. So games 3-4 were in Houston. Yet he still lost in 7. They were blown out by 40 in that game and T Mac started 1/7

post the roster, though.

Sorry the "No help" excuse doesn't apply here. T Mac was the most talented player in the series then he had Yao who outplayed Dirk in that series then they had Mike James in double figures and 2 great shooters in David Wesley and Jon Barry.

So McGrady who was the most talented player in the series had Yao, who outplayed the Mavs best player, some shooters and another scorer in Mike James.

with Dirk struggling, T Mac had more than enough to get it done. He was up 2-0 with THREE home games left in the series. Embarrassing

*waits for dudes to use JVG as a excuse*

TMac had more than enough to do something in HOU.

 

[dirtybuhbuhnew]

that and his fire and desire...dude had a bad case of randy moss-itis!! He was a great talent that settle for just that, being a great talent. Which may or may not have lead to him riddled with injuries throught his career. Kinda like stephon marbury, iverson...the list goes on and on.

LOL WHAT? He had back issues from BEFORE he was EVER DRAFTED. Second, in his early career, he was more defensive than offensive and his point totals were LOW. Then AFTER WORKING HARD, YOU KNOW LIKE IMPROVING, he became the Great T mac we know now.

That you ain't work hard excuse for t mac is false. Years from now yall gonna say the same thing about Melo and Lebron and yall don't even know how MUCH work dudes put in.

 

[lawdog1]

So, what we get between threads is a T-Mac v. Kobe debate. OK. Time to go to something (anything) else.

 

[mikejeffjo]

Dominique was robbed in that 88 dunk contest

 

[statis22]

Memorial Day 15 years ago. Poor quality :\

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[jumpmanfromdabay]

that would been an easy Offensive Foul call today

 

[elpablo21]

Memorial Day 15 years ago. Poor quality

Reggie's Pushoff > MJ's 

 

[dakid23]

Jim O'Donnell ‏@jodonnell17 20h
NBA has quietly been surverying a number of cities as a companion expansion franchise for Seattle; Omaha, believe it or not, is on list.

Send New Orleans to the East and add Vancouver!!!

 

[addict4sneakers]

Jim O'Donnell ‏@jodonnell17 20h
NBA has quietly been surverying a number of cities as a companion expansion franchise for Seattle; Omaha, believe it or not, is on list.

Send New Orleans to the East and add Vancouver!!!

Omaha

 

[marath0n]

That is definitely false. So you're telling me Kobe fans didn't hate on AI, Vince, Wade, Paul Pierce, Bron, and I know I'm forgetting about some others?


Your last sentence is definitely not true. There were a ton of AI fans, Vince fans, etc that were Kobe haters too. Again, like I said NUMEROUS times on here, whenever there were hate threads about AI, Vince, Tmac, Wade,Bron, etc, they were created the majority of, if not all, the time by Kobe fans. Let me know how often you remember seeing a Tmac hate thread created by an AI fan or a Wade hate thread created by a Tmac fan?


I'm SURE you guys have to remember the hate on Wade for no reason other than the fact that he got Shaq a ring without Kobe. Where you think the name D Whistle came from on here? It damn sure wasn't a Tmac, Lebron, AI or Vince fan.


Before you Kobe fans come with some stupid BS about everyone hates the "best" or whatever. I grew up watching Jordan, Penny, Grant Hill, etc and there was never no riff like there is now between Jordan fans and the Penny and Grant Hill fans. Jordan fans loved Penny and Grant Hill too.

for most part late 90's early mid 2000's ai was easily more popular then kobe...and to an extent so was tmac at least globally. Like i said this bandwagon of kobe fans didnt get full untill ai fell off, tmac same thing...and the introduction of lebron.

Not saying he wasnt popular, but hell if you look at all star votes, jersey sales etc... kobe wasnt even the most popular on his own team, let alone the nba.

Ppl forget especially with iverson how popular he was as a player. From the dedicated fan sites, the emulation of his game on the street courts, down to his sig crownrows and braids. Hell even at one point his shoes were up there in terms of popularity.

And your right...outside of indiana and knicks fans...werent to many ppl who hated mj. Althought there wasnt 24/7 monitoring of his life, actions etc... like there is now with players...via internet. But no one was on some oh if you like shaq you gotta hate akeem, or if you like ewing, you cant be a fan of the admiral. Ill admit there always was the boston/lakers/pistons to some extent fan rivalry. But even then aint like a boston fan said bird is the greatest and well magic sucks.... danny ainge is a point god and zeke is a loser..... No one wished death on players, nor did they make up lame excuses to hate the players, nor associate themselves with players as if they have a friendship, or at the very least an association with said players.
Dudes gave congrats to other teams, was unbias when their team played. And enjoyed a good game for the simple fact the enjoyed said sport.

You didnt have cats saying well oh this guy put up 30/15/10, but since he cheated on his wife he sucks and imma hate him for it, and he isnt fit to be an allstar. You didnt have guys saying well had 10 str8 40+ pt games, but i dont like his shoe line so he is grabage. Or the oh this guy had one good game against my rival team, and then proceeds to deem said player in discussion for h.o.f. Ala john starks great series against the bulls.

For as much as knicks fans wanted to beat the bulls...cant recall them burning mj's jersey. Now like ive stated you dont have fans of bball and the nba, you basically have jock riders, and because of the first takes, the blogs, twitter etc...they just like or dislike the drama/gossip assocaited with a player and or team.

Dudes nowadays in most part, especially young cats...sports is there version of reality tv,soap operas, tmz etc... They watch to see the drama, to hate and dislike players. They are influenced by social media and others what they should and who they should not cheer for and appreciate. And then they try to quantify and appear to be knowledgeble about the sport, by doing a quick wiki search, or watch some highlighted game, or highlight reel of a player to seem as if they are knowledgeble about said sport/and or player.

Not taking into account other factors that determine the game(s) or sport or the individual players. Ala kobe is good...cause i wiki his stats and they look good, i watch a 20 minute mixtape on youtube, and i caught a few games....have cats thinking they damn red auerbach, hubie brown ah something.

How did everyone miss this?

This is gold. Agreed 100%

 

[rrlegend]

Omaha

the omaha ??????'s i wonder what name they would have. move memphis and new orleans east, give seattle  and kansas city a team call it a league .

 

[you big dummy]

Memorial Day 15 years ago. Poor quality :\

Reggie's Pushoff > MJ's 

Watched this game live, MJ's shot with 0.7 seconds left

 

[elpablo21]

Omaha

the omaha ??????'s i wonder what name they would have. move memphis and new orleans east, give seattle  and kansas city a team call it a league .

Omaha Lightning 

dat midwest rivalry 

 

[dirtybuhbuhnew]

Omaha Lightning 

dat midwest rivalry 

Omaha Bisons

 

[shoelyesses]

LOL WHAT? He had back issues from BEFORE he was EVER DRAFTED. Second, in his early career, he was more defensive than offensive and his point totals were LOW. Then AFTER WORKING HARD, YOU KNOW LIKE IMPROVING, he became the Great T mac we know now.

That you ain't work hard excuse for t mac is false. Years from now yall gonna say the same thing about Melo and Lebron and yall don't even know how MUCH work dudes put in.

i never said he didnt work hard....what i said is he seem to approach the game as that its just a game...he never really showed imo that killer instinct, that leave it all on the floor, losing is not an option mentality. I misspoke on iverson...because while he did have the passion, he didnt really do much to improve his basketball skillset...

But i use randy because for as talented as he was, he just seemed like he was playing to be playing, just cause he enjoyed playing. When i hear ppl say kobe was clearly more talented, or tmac was clearly more talented...i find this false. From a skillset, purely basketball ability, neither is leaps and bounds above the other.

You can say kobe did luck out (from threating to go to college, and refusing to enter the league if he had to play for the hornets) Having being a benefactor of a excellent ran org. Having h.o.f coaches to teach/mentor him. Not having the pressure to automatically become the kobe we all know and love from the jump. A h.o.f big man in shaq, and some perrenial allstars. But that still shouldnt take away from his individual talent.

Same as tmac who didnt have all of those luxuries. We dont discredit mj and his accomplishments by saying he start winning at the tail end of the all time great teams and players, and the beginning of the current all time greats. No one says he was lucky because at his position competition was subpar. Or say he is/was great because of the players/coaches and org he played under.

Thats why i hate when ppl use team accolades etc... as a measuring stick for a individual player. Because it can discredit a many of great players, and distort/make appear as some players are greater then what they truely are.

And it seems as basketball is the main sport ppl do this in. Despite lackluster post seasons and hell even regular season games, barry sanders is hailed as one of the greatest rb to play the game. No one goes out and say oh well marshall faulk has won more and hell has a superbowl so faulk>barry.

Even though having better postseason records/numbers and two rings....i dont hear ppl say eli or big ben>elway and marino. Same can be said about baseball as well. Bball which like the other is a team sport, but is the main sport out the 3 that ppl use team accomplishments, or individual games/ and or series and say this player is clearly better then this player.

 

[dirtybuhbuhnew]

i never said he didnt work hard....what i said is he seem to approach the game as that its just a game...he never really showed imo that killer instinct, that leave it all on the floor, losing is not an option mentality. I misspoke on iverson...because while he did have the passion, he didnt really do much to improve his basketball skillset...

But i use randy because for as talented as he was, he just seemed like he was playing to be playing, just cause he enjoyed playing. When i hear ppl say kobe was clearly more talented, or tmac was clearly more talented...i find this false. From a skillset, purely basketball ability, neither is leaps and bounds above the other.

You can say kobe did luck out (from threating to go to college, and refusing to enter the league if he had to play for the hornets) Having being a benefactor of a excellent ran org. Having h.o.f coaches to teach/mentor him. Not having the pressure to automatically become the kobe we all know and love from the jump. A h.o.f big man in shaq, and some perrenial allstars. But that still shouldnt take away from his individual talent.

Same as tmac who didnt have all of those luxuries. We dont discredit mj and his accomplishments by saying he start winning at the tail end of the all time great teams and players, and the beginning of the current all time greats. No one says he was lucky because at his position competition was subpar. Or say he is/was great because of the players/coaches and org he played under.

Thats why i hate when ppl use team accolades etc... as a measuring stick for a individual player. Because it can discredit a many of great players, and distort/make appear as some players are greater then what they truely are.

And it seems as basketball is the main sport ppl do this in. Despite lackluster post seasons and hell even regular season games, barry sanders is hailed as one of the greatest rb to play the game. No one goes out and say oh well marshall faulk has won more and hell has a superbowl so faulk>barry.

Even though having better postseason records/numbers and two rings....i dont hear ppl say eli or big ben>elway and marino. Same can be said about baseball as well. Bball which like the other is a team sport, but is the main sport out the 3 that ppl use team accomplishments, or individual games/ and or series and say this player is clearly better then this player.

How are you gauging these things? His # improve in the playoffs, dude drops 13 points in seconds. What more did you want. What is this killer instinct? Like T mac was a beast. As the years have gone by with all his injuirys, he understands that to stay in the league he had to accept a role and that is one of mostly a play maker. He doesn't have to take 20 shots a game to be effective. 

How are you saying A.I didn't do much to improve his skillset? Like how are you measuring this? Because that practice situation?

 

[shoelyesses]

Iverson was the most popular player in the league from 99-03, not no damn flavor of the month

i guess ppl forgot how especially kobe early years use to get heckled by fans...or his allstar appearance in philly in which he was massively booed and iverson had to come out and basically save him and tell the fans to get off him...but yet kobe was the most popular and iverson was a flava of the month....

I guess it was those adidias crazy 8's etc... that were flying off the shelves and not iversons....Im assuming when nike had the nba and iverson jersey was a top 5 seller year in and year out, it was ppl who confused the jersey with kobes 8.... Like i said kobe bandwagon came when iverson, carter, tmac etc... fell off, and when lebron came into the league.....and the whole could he be the next mj, is he better then kobe?

 

[Bert.]

hope the Spurs end it tonight

 

[shoelyesses]

How are you gauging these things? His # improve in the playoffs, dude drops 13 points in seconds. What more did you want. What is this killer instinct? Like T mac was a beast. As the years have gone by with all his injuirys, he understands that to stay in the league he had to accept a role and that is one of mostly a play maker. He doesn't have to take 20 shots a game to be effective. 

How are you saying A.I didn't do much to improve his skillset? Like how are you measuring this? Because that practice situation?

it was his demeanor, like the way he walked...i cant exactly put it into words. Its like mj had it, pippen not so much. And no one, well atleast im not gonna say he fell off or didnt adapt to the game.

As far as iverson goes...granted his mindset, image etc...(alcholism, so on and so forth) has to do with him not being in the league. But alot of it has to do with his game didnt really grow. He did become more effective etc.. at doing what he did. But his game didnt expand much. You could take a 00 or 01 tape of ai, and take a 05 of ai, and play them and you wont see much of a difference in how he approaches the game, nor any difference in how he plays the game. The same cant be said about a kobe, a durant, a lbj, hell a ray allen, or even a kg. You take a video of theres fast foward 4/5 years and clearly you can see a difference/improvement/additions to their respected games. The same cant be said about ai.

 

[dirtybuhbuhnew]

it was his demeanor, like the way he walked...i cant exactly put it into words. Its like mj had it, pippen not so much. And no one, well atleast im not gonna say he fell off or didnt adapt to the game.

As far as iverson goes...granted his mindset, image etc...(alcholism, so on and so forth) has to do with him not being in the league. But alot of it has to do with his game didnt really grow. He did become more effective etc.. at doing what he did. But his game didnt expand much. You could take a 00 or 01 tape of ai, and take a 05 of ai, and play them and you wont see much of a difference in how he approaches the game, nor any difference in how he plays the game. The same cant be said about a kobe, a durant, a lbj, hell a ray allen, or even a kg. You take a video of theres fast foward 4/5 years and clearly you can see a difference/improvement/additions to their respected games. The same cant be said about ai.

LOL what did you want him to improve?