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Last piece of the puzzle???
Did they not win the 'ship before he got there? And then follow that up with a 73-9 record AND 1 win away from back to back titles BEFORE dude got to town??
Did none of that happen?
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That all did happen. He's still the last addition to the team though
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One of the last additions then. What exactly are you arguing?
Forget semantics.
My point is that if he was drafted by the warriors and the same team was built around him the perception of KD would be different
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Gradual buildup from overrated Presti ruining everything in 2012
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Houston sends out: Ryno, Gordon, Chinanu, picks
Houston receives: Bron + Felicio or Asik
Chicago sends out: Felicio or Asik
Chicago receives: Ryno and picks, rights to our foreign draft picks if they want (they can have former euroleague mvp sergio llull if they really don't like kris dunn going forward)
Cleveland sends out: Bron via opt in and trade
Cleveland receives: Gordon and picks. They can then send out Gordon for additional picks if they wanted. and they generate a huge TPE which helps them going forward...
Everyone wins. Rockets add Bron, take a bad contract off the Bulls hands. They still have bird rights on cp3, capela, and ariza. AND still have the MLE. at that point it's just up to our new owner to foot the luxury bill, which i'm sure he will, especially with the rise of legalized sports gambling bringing in additional revenue.
Chicago gets rid of a bad contract cause they're cheap. Taking on Ryno (it's a bad contract, but a shorter one) allows them to reach the salary floor this year so basically they don't waste that cap space. They gave up Jordan bell for pennies on the dollar and their management is one of the worst in the league.
Cleveland still is under the luxury tax and if they want they can send Gordon to another team for more picks (76ers seem like a option here as they need some shooting and bench scoring. this would obviously only happen if they strike out on bron)
This is just one of many proposals. you can even swap out zach randolph on the kings instead. or someone on atlanta (plumlee? maybe even dedmon) to get rid of a bad contract and take on ryan anderson.
and i'm sure morey has even better tricks up his sleeves again, i believe he can create the space needed if necessary. it might be difficult and unlikely but he's the gawd for a reason. it just depends on how much bron wants to come here (or whereever, for that matter). he said his decision will be easier this time around, and CP3 and him do talk daily so...
Houston receives: Bron + Felicio or Asik
Chicago sends out: Felicio or Asik
Chicago receives: Ryno and picks, rights to our foreign draft picks if they want (they can have former euroleague mvp sergio llull if they really don't like kris dunn going forward)
Cleveland sends out: Bron via opt in and trade
Cleveland receives: Gordon and picks. They can then send out Gordon for additional picks if they wanted. and they generate a huge TPE which helps them going forward...
Everyone wins. Rockets add Bron, take a bad contract off the Bulls hands. They still have bird rights on cp3, capela, and ariza. AND still have the MLE. at that point it's just up to our new owner to foot the luxury bill, which i'm sure he will, especially with the rise of legalized sports gambling bringing in additional revenue.
Chicago gets rid of a bad contract cause they're cheap. Taking on Ryno (it's a bad contract, but a shorter one) allows them to reach the salary floor this year so basically they don't waste that cap space. They gave up Jordan bell for pennies on the dollar and their management is one of the worst in the league.
Cleveland still is under the luxury tax and if they want they can send Gordon to another team for more picks (76ers seem like a option here as they need some shooting and bench scoring. this would obviously only happen if they strike out on bron)
This is just one of many proposals. you can even swap out zach randolph on the kings instead. or someone on atlanta (plumlee? maybe even dedmon) to get rid of a bad contract and take on ryan anderson.
and i'm sure morey has even better tricks up his sleeves again, i believe he can create the space needed if necessary. it might be difficult and unlikely but he's the gawd for a reason. it just depends on how much bron wants to come here (or whereever, for that matter). he said his decision will be easier this time around, and CP3 and him do talk daily so...
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I'm not a cap expert, but would that trade even work or does it work because chicago has cap space?
I dunno if the bulls would do that though. Not sure taking in Anderson's 20M contract to get rid of Asiks 10M contract makes sense
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yes, it absolutely works under the new 18-19 rules otherwise i wouldn't have posted it lol
if they get rid of love too, then it's probably even more likely that's something cleveland would want to do. they'd have like 40-50m in TPE lol.
the hardest part is probably finding a third suitor for ryno, as it always has been, but the rebuilding teams that have longer, bad contracts and a lot of cap room are viable options
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asik is probably less likely because he was signed under the last cba so his rights are different. but chicago doesn't play him and he's dead weight. felicio has like 8m/year for 3 more years. ryno is 20m/2 years. ryno is basically a play for one year because at that point, he becomes a 20m expiring the year after, which is a huge asset, rather than holding onto felicio for an addtl. 2 years. plus it helps them meet the salary floor, their management sucks, and they're cheap.
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I was moreso asking because of this. It makes it seem like houston cant acquire a player in a sign and trade if they are going to be in the luxury tax because of it. Also makes it seem like bron would have to sign a 3 to 4 year contract as well
That may be outdated though
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Looking for takers for a gently used stretch 4
love for anderson
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anyways, with that said, just trying to post a realistic hypothetical situation that benefits all parties financially and for basketball reasons. there are probably better proposals out there
houston is in the best win mode now, philly overall since they have a young core, and LA has the glitz and glamour
houston is in the best win mode now, philly overall since they have a young core, and LA has the glitz and glamour
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the spurs are not trading koala to the lakers. not even for all of the lakers young talent
this is not the eastern conference where rivals trade a broken ****** for an allstar
this is not the eastern conference where rivals trade a broken ****** for an allstar
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I have no idea what Morey will do to try and potentially get Bron
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Your point is IF
And yet youre conveniently forgetting things that factually happened
They won a title without him.. set the single season record without him
He was a piece, not the first or last
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folks acting like kawhi is coming off a torn achilles, acl, mcl, etc
if lebron wants to be a spur, kawhi has to be part of the pitch. wasnt one of kawhi's complaints was that they couldnt sign free agents or SA was a small market. you bring lebron into the picture and the lights get bigger
financially, what are the spurs cap situation? can they even offer bron a max deal after handing it out to kawhi? i know they tied themselves with pau and patty last summer
if lebron wants to be a spur, kawhi has to be part of the pitch. wasnt one of kawhi's complaints was that they couldnt sign free agents or SA was a small market. you bring lebron into the picture and the lights get bigger
financially, what are the spurs cap situation? can they even offer bron a max deal after handing it out to kawhi? i know they tied themselves with pau and patty last summer
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https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2017/12/11/16761746/lebron-james-rockets-free-agency-salary-cap-how
Yeah this is a pretty good read on the situation with houston. Looks like if bron opts into his contract they can do it, but if he opts out and they do a sign and trade they can only be 6M over the luxury tax.
So if bron makes like 35, cp3 makes 40, and harden makes 35 that puts them 10 million aways from luxury tax. They would basically have to get rid of the rest of their team and sign nothing but vet minimum contracts.
Yeah this is a pretty good read on the situation with houston. Looks like if bron opts into his contract they can do it, but if he opts out and they do a sign and trade they can only be 6M over the luxury tax.
So if bron makes like 35, cp3 makes 40, and harden makes 35 that puts them 10 million aways from luxury tax. They would basically have to get rid of the rest of their team and sign nothing but vet minimum contracts.
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If Bron is willing to stop playing Bron ball, him and PG together could help BI. Luke's system is really Warriors lite without the 2 elite talents in Steph & KD, but I don't think Bron is ready to stop padding his stats quite yet.
As for GS, if one of the young guys (Kuz, BI, or Zo take even an incremental leap like say BI did from rookie to sophomore season, there's you're 3rd quasi all star type talent. GS is vulnerable if you play the right way and have multiple good to great wing defenders which the Lakers would have in Zo, PG, and a continuously improving BI. That's length you can't teach.
As for GS, if one of the young guys (Kuz, BI, or Zo take even an incremental leap like say BI did from rookie to sophomore season, there's you're 3rd quasi all star type talent. GS is vulnerable if you play the right way and have multiple good to great wing defenders which the Lakers would have in Zo, PG, and a continuously improving BI. That's length you can't teach.
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yeah, i mentioned bron would be traded via opt-in and trade.
if he opts out we'd be hard capped
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Gotcha, good stuff. Wasnt trying to be a ****, just trying to figure out all the scenarios
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Think the deadline for Bron to opt in is June 29th so if that date passes Houston is out of the mix.
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yeah which is why his comments about his decision being easier this time kinda held some weight. it's gonna be an interesting next 3 weeks full of speculation
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