OFFICIAL NFL Discussion Thread: 2015-16 Season - Congrats to the Denver Broncos and their fans! SB 5

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DeadsetAce said:
I can see the riggle/o'brien similarities
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You seenit too??? Dude just be saying some outlandish **** all the time. Weird *** dude. Same cadence and pitch too
 
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I don't know why all these Belichick disciples try to intimate Bill Belichick.

He wins because he has a savant level knowledge of the NFL and he has Tom Brady.

He doesn't win because of his personality..word to the mid 1990s Browns
 
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One last thing, the fact the NFL dedicates a whole month to AWARENESS, is a good thing. Does any other major sport do this?

We all know millions of people watch the NFL . How can we measure the amount of people that might have said, "Damn, maybe I should get checked?" That has nothing to do with any type of dollar amount. The whole "pink" movement is a GOOD thing. Period.
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I think its the perfect excuse to target a larger demographic in females to push more product and profit for an entire month. At this point in the year 2015 who doesn't know about cancer. What creates more awareness than people dying or spending *** loads of money to get better? We all know someone who has had it and it's been happening forever now. I don't think awareness is the issue anymore. It's generating money to cure the damn thing already.

I see it as they care 11% about cancer and 89% about making more money than they already do. It's really just another marketing tactic. If I'm donating to cancer it would be through a different avenue. But hey, If someone wants to buy a piece of NFL merchandise while chipping a little into cancer reasarch that's cool. Something is better than nothing from the NFL I guess, I just think the NFL could definitely give more.
 
agreed on the personality thing. nothing to do with the success. he's "studied" the game since he was a kid, literally. was on a the navy football field as a kid when his dad coached. he's watched the game forever. he's seen it all and he's three steps ahead of anyone in most facets of the game. and yes, he has brady which has helped take everything to the next level.

his coaching tree sucks because they all lack everything he has (endless experience, deep *** knowledge, and the QB). and in NE...even though they each had their titles and roles...best believe Belichick had final say and a hand in anything and everything that went on.

all that said, i'm really interested to see if McDaniels is the guy in NE once Bill is gone and what he can do. i'm ready for some raider/browns level dark ages tho :lol
 
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DeadsetAce said:
agreed on the personality thing. nothing to do with the success. he's "studied" the game since he was a kid, literally. was on a the navy football field as a kid when his dad coached. he's watched the game forever. he's seen it all and he's three steps ahead of anyone in most facets of the game. and yes, he has brady which has helped take everything to the next level.

his coaching tree sucks because they all lack everything he has (endless experience, deep *** knowledge, and the QB). and in NE...even though they each had their titles and roles...best believe Belichick had final say and a hand in anything and everything that went on.

all that said, i'm really interested to see if McDaniels is the guy in NE once Bill is gone and what he can do. i'm ready for some raider/browns level dark ages tho :lol
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Your dark age will never end, God willing.
 
Th3RealF0lkBlu3s said:
DeadsetAce said:
agreed on the personality thing. nothing to do with the success. he's "studied" the game since he was a kid, literally. was on a the navy football field as a kid when his dad coached. he's watched the game forever. he's seen it all and he's three steps ahead of anyone in most facets of the game. and yes, he has brady which has helped take everything to the next level.

his coaching tree sucks because they all lack everything he has (endless experience, deep *** knowledge, and the QB). and in NE...even though they each had their titles and roles...best believe Belichick had final say and a hand in anything and everything that went on.

all that said, i'm really interested to see if McDaniels is the guy in NE once Bill is gone and what he can do. i'm ready for some raider/browns level dark ages tho :lol
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Your dark age will never end, God willing.
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:lol

if i try and compare it to the Brady years...you're damn right. we'll never touch that again :( :lol
 
Th3RealF0lkBlu3s said:
Belichick's coaching tree is piss poor.
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Highlighting the worst:

Mangini
McDaniel
Crennel
O'Brien

Nick Saban, Rob Ryan and Charlie Weis are mostly good even if Saban was a bad NFL head coach from all insider reports in Miami and Weis has had ups and downs at different places. All three have found their niches and excelled.

I mean look at this with Weis, his only year as Chiefs OC in 2010 -


Weis was named offensive coordinator of the Kansas City Chiefs for 2010. In Weis's first year, the Chiefs improved from a record of 4–12 to 10–6 and returned to the playoffs after winning the AFC West Division. With Weis as offensive coordinator, the Chiefs had the NFL's best rushing attack, averaging an impressive 165 yards per game on the ground. Offensively the Chiefs ranked 9th in total offense, 11th in points per game, 1st in rushing, and 28th in passing. The Chiefs also sent four players on offense (WR Dwayne Bowe, RB Jamaal Charles, QB Matt Cassel and OG Brian Waters) to the Pro Bowl. Cassel, Bowe and Charles made their first ever trip to the Pro Bowl. Weis has also been credited with the improvement of Cassel who had a career year throwing for 27 touchdowns and only 5 interceptions in 14 games.
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How many coaches does the belichick coaching tree extend to?

Crennel.. Weis.. Mcdanials.. Mangini.. O'brien
 
i think we're talking about how they did as head coaches though, right?

even if you take Weis as a success story, which i don't fully agree with, the track record of the rest is still pretty bad.

matt patricia might be the next guy to go if this year's defense rocks and rolls...and i will bet my screen name that's a dumpster fire waiting to happen :lol
 
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JPZx said:
Th3RealF0lkBlu3s said:
Belichick's coaching tree is piss poor.
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Highlighting the worst:

Mangini
McDaniel
Crennel
O'Brien

Nick Saban, Rob Ryan and Charlie Weis are mostly good even if Saban was a bad NFL head coach from all insider reports in Miami and Weis has had ups and downs at different places. All three have found their niches and excelled.

I mean look at this with Weis, his only year as Chiefs OC in 2010 -


Weis was named offensive coordinator of the Kansas City Chiefs for 2010. In Weis's first year, the Chiefs improved from a record of 4–12 to 10–6 and returned to the playoffs after winning the AFC West Division. With Weis as offensive coordinator, the Chiefs had the NFL's best rushing attack, averaging an impressive 165 yards per game on the ground. Offensively the Chiefs ranked 9th in total offense, 11th in points per game, 1st in rushing, and 28th in passing. The Chiefs also sent four players on offense (WR Dwayne Bowe, RB Jamaal Charles, QB Matt Cassel and OG Brian Waters) to the Pro Bowl. Cassel, Bowe and Charles made their first ever trip to the Pro Bowl. Weis has also been credited with the improvement of Cassel who had a career year throwing for 27 touchdowns and only 5 interceptions in 14 games.
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Weiss had his moment sure, but the guy is buried in Kansas and won't be resurfacing at the NFL level again most likely. Saban is clearly the most successful and to DeadsetAce DeadsetAce 's credit it's because Saban shares a similar football background to Belichick. Rob Ryan as a journeyman coordinator speaks for itself, though I don't think he's terrible.
 
Brady Quinn's analysis popped up on that link

Gosh Brady Quinn is a good looking guy, too bad he wasn't a great playing quarterback. He could have been the most marketable quarterback ever. :lol
 
Ex-NFL QB Erik Kramer Wounded in Apparent Suicide Attempt
Ex-NFL quarterback Erik Kramer shot himself Tuesday night in a suicide attempt, but survived, law enforcement sources and his former wife said.

Los Angeles County sheriff's deputies were called to a motel in Calabasas at around 8 p.m. for a welfare check, sources told NBC News. When deputies arrived they found Kramer with a gunshot wound that was described as not life-threatening, a source said.

Erik Kramer playing for the Chicago Bears in 1998. Charles Bennett / AP
Kramer's former wife, Marshawn Kramer, told NBC News Wednesday night that it was a suicide attempt, and said Kramer suffered years of depression that she believes was the result of his time in the NFL.

"He is a very amazing man, a beautiful soul, but he has suffered depression since he was with the Bears," Marshawn Kramer said in a telephone interview. "I can promise you he is not the same man I married."


Kramer, 50, helped lead the Detroit Lions to a 12-4 record and an NFC Championship game appearance in the 1991 season. He later joined the Chicago Bears, where he spent five seasons and threw for 29 touchdowns during the 1995 season, according to NFL statistics. Kramer ended his career with the San Diego Chargers in 1999.

Marshawn Kramer said Erik Kramer's sister told her the injury is more serious than law enforcement sources said, and could be life threatening. The sister, Kelly Kramer, was travelling to California from her home in Las Vegas Wednesday, she said. A number was left but a call had not been returned Wednesday night.

The suicide attempt comes amid fierce debate over the possible lasting mental health effects of NFL careers in which players endure hard hits to the head. Former NFL stars Junior Seau and Dave Duerson were posthumously diagnosed with the brain condition chronic traumatic encephalopathy after they committed suicide.


The NFL and the NFL Players Association did not immediately return emails seeking comment.

Marshawn and Erik Kramer officially divorced in 2010, after years of problems caused by Erik's depression, she said. "I know Erik and I would still be together if not for his football injury," she said. It was an amicable split, she said, and they live in the same California city, not far from each other.

In 2011, their son, Griffen, then a Thousand Oaks High School quarterback, died from a drug overdose.

The couple has another son, 17-year-old Dillon. Marshawn Kramer said Erik Kramer is a wonderful father who adored his son.

"He's such a good dad and he would not do this to his son," she said. "This is brain injury."
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I wish something could be done. Sad stuff.
 
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Mister Friendly said:
Brady Quinn's analysis popped up on that link

Gosh Brady Quinn is a good looking guy, too bad he wasn't a great playing quarterback. He could have been the most marketable quarterback ever. :lol
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Said the same thing when I saw him a few weeks back on NFL Network. It was when the Geno news broke about his jaw, and they were saying how Fitzpatrick is the next man up, and you could tell Quinn wanted to be like "Why not give me a call :( " :lol .
 
Really sad stuff with Kramer, especially with his kid. Hope this is the wake up call that gets answered
 
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