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OFFICIAL NFL Discussion Thread: 2015-16 Season - Congrats to the Denver Broncos and their fans! SB 5
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Yeah...you've been consistent with the whole usage bit. You also said this when the convo got rehashed at a later time...Originally Posted by CP1708
Well...
The OG argument of Jimmy vs. Gronk...was between me and you. So you already know I'm gonna remember.
You said back then Jimmy was the better overall TE. I strongly disagreed. I talked about the one undisputed thing that separates Gronk from Jimmy in this post. Blocking.
And then...
*flashbyke*
http://niketalk.com/t/610874/nfl-week-9-in-review/140_20#post_21917279
And one more for good measure
...Originally Posted by CP1708
How is Gronk's blocking sooooo much better than Jimmy's?
If you feel like taking a trip through memory lane, scroll around through that thread I linked and you'll see it all. It's been going on since then.
Sometimes old age brings on Alzhemier's so this wouldn't be the right time for me to crack jokes. We all understand, chief.
I simply asked then why it was such a slam dunk case. But I agree today Gronk is the better blocker.
I merely argued he wasn't the pushover people try to claim. "His blocking isn't as deficient as they claim".
I pointed out the Saints usage of him (and his teammates) even back then.
I ain't that old yet, despite what NT tells ya.
I mean, it was still wrong, but at least you said it in a different way.Originally Posted by CP1708
Jimmy gets a lot of looks, but also opens up a lot of looks for others, that doesn't get mentioned or pointed at on a statsheet. Him lining up all over the place (he lines up in the ******* backfield at times) does a lot to manipulate the defense.
When people credit Gronk for blocking, that's knocking Jimmy for something his team doesn't require him to do, same as Gronk fans don't give him credit for lining up all over the field.
But anyways, I just sat back this time and read y'all posts because I feel like I laid it all out during the OG discussion. I don't think I can come up with a better argument and IMO it still stands today.
I'm just being a **** head with the Alzhemier's thing. Light jabs all day, you know me.
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Trust me though...you're good w/ me for a long, long time since I remember how you called the Welker thing early, even when everyone else was trying to **** on you for that. Same goes for Tom Brady. Those arguments went on forever, and even though its diminished in recent years, there were times when the majority of S&T had an overwhelmingly strong opinion or just plain stupid stance on dude...you never let up on him. And you came out of that one right, too.
(I've gone back this week for ***** and giggles just to see what people used to say. You would laugh now...)
If I'm gonna respect the consistency and your stubbornness, it's gotta be when you're dead wrong too.
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CP refuses to take the L. Everybody got opinions but this one just don't add up. No matter how you break it down. Statically or watching 'em on the field. Jimmy Graham is not seeing him. 
Good **** man. 
I get people think I'm full of crap, or Homer, whatever, but I don't make my calls off ESPN or someone else's playbook. I watch, read, and judge on my own. I could try using things like "I bet majority of GM's would choose Reed over Jimmy with both 100%" and pass that off as a "fact".
I get people think I'm full of crap, or Homer, whatever, but I don't make my calls off ESPN or someone else's playbook. I watch, read, and judge on my own. I could try using things like "I bet majority of GM's would choose Reed over Jimmy with both 100%" and pass that off as a "fact".
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Only fact I know is in the 2015 season Reed > Jimmy and Jimmy has declined in yards and TDs the last 3 years.
I think more teams would take the ascending younger player over the declining older one. We'll see how it plays out moving forward.
I think more teams would take the ascending younger player over the declining older one. We'll see how it plays out moving forward.
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[quote name="The Collector"]I think more teams would take the ascending younger player over the declining older one.[/quote]In other discussions, CP would agree with this.
If I've seen him say youth > age once, I've seen it a hundred times.
If I've seen him say youth > age once, I've seen it a hundred times.
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Jimmy gonna show yall next season
Oh yeah Bevell is our coordinator
Oh yeah Bevell is our coordinator
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In other discussions, CP would agree with this.
If I've seen him say youth > age once, I've seen it a hundred times.[/quote]
Absolutely. For building for the future. 100%.
Jimmy is 29. He's not dead.
And Reed having two good years doesn't make him a better TE. That's hot take central. If Jimmy comes back healthy next year and balls, does he flip back over or something?
Randy Moss in Oakland, dud.
Randy Moss in NE, historic.
You don't just write him off cuz he's missed 6 games and Reed has a solid 6. Christ, Reed is one bump away from retiring. He been hurt more than anybody.
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nah. i think Russ will make it work next year. they have to find a way with what they're paying him.
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Unless they decide to cut him loose.
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I don't like to doubt players but Jimmy Graham is turning 30 and is coming back from a torn patella tendon.
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They'll let it breathe for a full season imo if the recovery comes along as expected. They traded the No. 31 and Max Unger for him. Unless there's actually even more to the Graham/offense issues off the field from early in the season than what was reported about it, I think you have to at least honor your investment somewhat. Need to know what the outcome of that decision was rather than erase it before anything's completely known. Media's already coming at the trade a little bit but at least honor the investment/decision you've made by seeing it out somewhat to make a better, sound decision ya know?
Saw Unger T-3 in offensive snap % this year: 99.8%, handful at 99.9 and 100.0 but that's a fine cut.
Saw Unger T-3 in offensive snap % this year: 99.8%, handful at 99.9 and 100.0 but that's a fine cut.
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No way Graham isn't a seahawks this season coming up
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Yeah he's gonna stay put.
Seattle will be better off with Rawls over Lynch IMO. I feel as if they need a true WR1; Baldwin showed growth this season but they would be a good look with a Megatron
, Alshon or maybe even a gamble on Josh Gordon.
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I think it's time for them to move on from Marshawn
Alshon is about to be paid, Josh Gordon is the best bang for the buck
Alshon is about to be paid, Josh Gordon is the best bang for the buck
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Jimmy should be our WR1 type. I don't want to spend more in the area—we have a weird but reasonably productive group of pass catchers with Graham, Baldwin, Kearse, and now Lockett.Yeah he's gonna stay put.
Seattle will be better off with Rawls over Lynch IMO. I feel as if they need a true WR1; Baldwin showed growth this season but they would be a good look with a Megatron, Alshon or maybe even a gamble on Josh Gordon.
Biggest thing is resigning Kearse, resigning Irvin, hopefully being able to afford Okung and building up the line. We don't have a ton of money but Lynch retiring (I hope) will help.
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Hawks fans and their attitude in Bevell reminds me of myself with Haley a few years ago
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Well we can only hope it works out the same wayHawks fans and their attitude in Bevell reminds me of myself with Haley a few years ago
It's not that Bevell is incapable of putting together a productive, explosive offense (because we've been that at many times over the past few years). It's just his playcalling and conservatism that have shot us in the foot over and over. We only play with urgency on offense when we're behind.
I don't think I can ever watch another drive where we're up by one and go 1. run up the middle for no gain 2. bubble screen to doug baldwin for no gain 3. Long pass attempt with RW immediately scrambling from the interior pass rush.
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Yeah the way the Hawks play from behind should show that opening it up does work. Again similar to Haley and his distaste for the deep ball at first. But he saw it works with Ben and they definitely incorporate it more now
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NFL is so weird with this pressure stuff. So freaking weird at this point
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