***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[DCAllAfrican]

I get this but the reason I call it a net positive is cause of the societal impact not the individual impact. Will it be a net positive on people eating better and healthier lifestyles? No. Will it be a net positive as far as less obese people meaning less people who get diseases and other health complications that come from obesity and the societal and individual strain from healthcare costs we have to do to help those people? Yes.

As far as long term effects it’s still early days on this and like other medications there’s always gonna be word of mouth case by case stories of it not working well or someone having a bad experience but we haven’t seen that on the large scale with this and that’s a good sign. Theres even studies being done right now to see if it can help people with alcoholism and other addictions we could be on the cusp of a real game changer.

We might be playing the semantics game but what you explained is why I called it a GROSS (before deductions/taxes (side effects) pay.

I just think it's short sighted to only look at the ways it can positively reduce the obesity numbers because again, most humans (let alone AMERICAN humans) aren't going to use it in conjunction with proper lifestyle changes.

But we will have to #WaitAndSee , i don't have faith in folks to use it in any other way than a magical fat reducing pill.

 

[Armada]

Ozempic, if used, should be part of an overall change in philosophy

I get it’s hard being consistent at the gym.. but just get moving, even if it’s getting in short walks or runs.. even if it’s couple blocks and back to the house, least you did something

But diet change is the biggest thing, what and the amount your consuming is the biggest lifestyle change that needs to happen with people.. and it’s my understanding ozempic goes a long way in curving appetite.. but if you’re going go right back to what you were doing, obviously you’re just spending a lot of money for maybe a temporary solution.. instead of using that as a head start on everything you’re trying do/accomplish

I fully agree with this but I view this the same way I do a lot of societal issues in the micro vs the macro.

On the person to person level we should encourage people to make better financial decisions, build better habits etc and should never stop doing that but at the same time on the macro level we aren’t gonna “hey everybody let’s just do better” our way outta poverty, homelessness etc and I see the obesity problem the same way. We’ve finally come across something that can help fight this on the larger scale and I think it’s a good thing it’s being fully explored.

We might be playing the semantics game but what you explained is why I called it a GROSS (before deductions/taxes (side effects) pay.

I just think it's short sighted to only look at the ways it can positively reduce the obesity numbers because again, most humans (let alone AMERICAN humans) aren't going to use it in conjunction with proper lifestyle changes.

But we will have to #WaitAndSee , i don't have faith in folks to use it in any other way than a magical fat reducing pill.

It probably is just semantics at this point and you’re right. Most won’t use it in conjunction with proper life style changes and just see it as a magic pill but tbh I’m not concerned with that. Cause that’s gonna be a problem no matter what we aren’t gonna be able to find a way to get multi millions of people to do proper lifestyle changes we haven’t been able to do that with tons of things cause that’s just not how people work. But we still do what we can to help as many people as possible. Can’t help everyone but you can cast a large enough net you’ll be able to help more than you could if you didn’t.

 

[DCAllAfrican]

So the options will be

A. Obese (which has it's own side effects)+ Poor Habits

B. Not obese + Poor Habits + Side Effects

Pick your poison.

 

[solewoman]

A few of my mom friends used ozempic to jump start their weight loss journey. They both dropped weight and plateaued. But while the weight was coming off they started working out. They no longer take it and still go to the gym and now they’re in probably the best shape of their lives.

 

[jordanequalsme]

A few of my mom friends used ozempic to jump start their weight loss journey. They both dropped weight and plateaued. But while the weight was coming off they started working out. They no longer take it and still go to the gym and now they’re in probably the best shape of their lives.

Agree with this. My cousin lost over 100 lbs and jump started with help. Now running daily and getting outdoors etc. see plenty in my line of work who don’t commit to the lifestyle change and it makes way less impact.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

So the options will be

A. Obese (which has it's own side effects)+ Poor Habits

B. Not obese + Poor Habits + Side Effects

Pick your poison.

the point of ozempic is to help change your habbits/lifestyle.

if your habits/lifestyle doesn't change while on the drug, you won't lose weight, so id guess a you'd just stop taking it.

i doubt there are that many long term ozempic user, just stabbing themselves with a needle every morning just to eat the same stuff.

 

[DCAllAfrican]

Couldn't imagine dealing with this. Yall NY dudes gotta deal with a lot of foolishness man.

New York races to revive Manhattan tolls intended to fight traffic before Trump can block them

New York Gov. Kathy Hochul has revived a plan to impose a toll on drivers entering Manhattan’s central district as a way to reduce congestion and raise billions for the city’s ailing public transit system, but at a lower price tag.

apnews.com

 

[Comparison Ford]

Much like bariatric surgery, Ozempic is a temporary fix for a lot of people using it for weight loss.

Current guidelines only allow providers to prescribe it for weight loss for a maximum of two years. So far every person I’ve seen that’s taken it for weight loss gained the weight right back as soon as they got off it.

There’s no magic bullet for long-term, sustained weight loss. It’s all diet, discipline, and a commitment to healthy habits.

 

[biggie62]

Couldn't imagine dealing with this. Yall NY dudes gotta deal with a lot of foolishness man.

New York races to revive Manhattan tolls intended to fight traffic before Trump can block them

New York Gov. Kathy Hochul has revived a plan to impose a toll on drivers entering Manhattan’s central district as a way to reduce congestion and raise billions for the city’s ailing public transit system, but at a lower price tag.

apnews.com

I’m for this toll. Too many suburban people drive into the city solo when there is Long Island railroad or some other train system working close to their house. Privilege and convenience costs extra in my opinion.

And I live in queens and sometimes drive through the city myself to get to Jersey.

 

[Based Jesus]

Couldn't imagine dealing with this. Yall NY dudes gotta deal with a lot of foolishness man.

New York races to revive Manhattan tolls intended to fight traffic before Trump can block them

New York Gov. Kathy Hochul has revived a plan to impose a toll on drivers entering Manhattan’s central district as a way to reduce congestion and raise billions for the city’s ailing public transit system, but at a lower price tag.

apnews.com

Deal with what? There are already tolls throughout the boroughs and everyone can take the train.

 

[DCAllAfrican]

Deal with what? There are already tolls throughout the boroughs and everyone can take the train.

1. Well everyone CAN'T take the train. Sure if you are single/childless it might work for you but if you have to drive and drop kids off at different locations before work, the train isn't for you.


2. Couldn't imagine having to a pay a toll to drive into the city on a daily basis. I'm not from a place that I have to do that so the very thought of it is wild as hell compared to my life experience.

 

[DCAllAfrican]

I’m for this toll. Too many suburban people drive into the city solo when there is Long Island railroad or some other train system working close to their house. Privilege and convenience costs extra in my opinion.

And I live in queens and sometimes drive through the city myself to get to Jersey.

"Privilege" is an interesting word choice here.

 

[rolaholic]

 

[biggie62]

"Privilege" is an interesting word choice here.

In the NY suburban area where buses take kids to school and there are trains close to where most suburbanites live yes that is the key word. I live here I know.

Plus for 85% of people the train ride is shorter in time than driving. Let alone less stressful since you don’t have to think about paying attention to the road.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Couldn't imagine dealing with this. Yall NY dudes gotta deal with a lot of foolishness man.

New York races to revive Manhattan tolls intended to fight traffic before Trump can block them

New York Gov. Kathy Hochul has revived a plan to impose a toll on drivers entering Manhattan’s central district as a way to reduce congestion and raise billions for the city’s ailing public transit system, but at a lower price tag.

apnews.com

congestion pricing is good.

people don't like it when its first implemented because no one likes a new toll but once its implemented, it works and people like it.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Much like bariatric surgery, Ozempic is a temporary fix for a lot of people using it for weight loss.

Current guidelines only allow providers to prescribe it for weight loss for a maximum of two years. So far every person I’ve seen that’s taken it for weight loss gained the weight right back as soon as they got off it.

wut? bariatric surgery is not a temporary fix, plenty of long terms studies on it;

"The long-term success rate of bariatric surgery is between 68% and 74%, and studies have shown that the beneficial effects on weight loss are maintained for up to 20 years"



if ozempic is as "temporary" as bariatric surgery again this would be a miracle invention.

There’s no magic bullet for long-term, sustained weight loss. It’s all diet, discipline, and a commitment to healthy habits.

I don't know why people keep saying this, obviously yes. the problem is most people don't have that discipline.

 

[dacomeup]

1. Well everyone CAN'T take the train. Sure if you are single/childless it might work for you but if you have to drive and drop kids off at different locations before work, the train isn't for you.


2. Couldn't imagine having to a pay a toll to drive into the city on a daily basis. I'm not from a place that I have to do that so the very thought of it is wild as hell compared to my life experience.

1. If it cuts down on people who don’t need to drive into the city driving, then people who have to drive will get to their destinations in even better time.

2.You don’t live in a metropolitan area with 19 million people, so I can see why you can’t fathom it. We absolutely need it and it’ll be good for the environment.

 

[Lee And His Sneaks]

Half my co workers are on it. They still eat like crap and won’t get off their ***.

I have a feeling it won’t end well.

I sense a resident evil style outbreak.

 

[superblytrife]

I’ll never understand spending time thinking about what other people do when it comes to weight loss. It’s easy for folks who don’t battle weight issues to sit back and rant about discipline, exercise or whatever. Okay cool. We’ve known that for years. Clearly understanding that hasn’t worked for A LOT of people. And let’s not forget there are people who can’t engage in tons of exercise for various reasons—not everyone is able bodied like most of us on here (I’m assuming).

Now there’s a tool people can use to help weight loss and folks want to look down on people who use said tool. Because when you go on tangents about discipline, exercise or whatever when presented with the idea of using GLP-1s, that’s essentially what you’re doing. “You’re not disciplined enough!” Yeah, no ****. That’s kinda the point.

Let people live. If it doesn’t work out for them, so be it. If it does, great—there’s one less person not dealing with weight-related issues. When presented with being obese and feeling like a failure because I’m not disciplined enough, or losing weight with the help of GLP-1s, I’m choosing the latter every time. Nobody should be too proud to accept help with an issue, imo.

 

[Comparison Ford]

wut? bariatric surgery is not a temporary fix, plenty of long terms studies on it;

"The long-term success rate of bariatric surgery is between 68% and 74%, and studies have shown that the beneficial effects on weight loss are maintained for up to 20 years"



if ozempic is as "temporary" as bariatric surgery again this would be a miracle invention.



I don't know why people keep saying this, obviously yes. the problem is most people don't have that discipline.

Now if you’ll look closely, you’ll notice I said “a lot” and not “the majority” and I was careful to do so. 26-32% is a lot.

Enjoy your Sunday, Osh.