***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[mplsdunk]

Yeah the whole world is moving to the right, except Mexico.

I don’t really think Theo von did it, this sounds like cope.

 

[ballinsam23]

Those podcasters are actual poison for young men.

At the same time, the left has no answer in this space. Literally none.

I dont think its a conspiracy. Its just where the $$$ is at. Podcasters will get w.e guests that will generate the most views. In election years, yes that will be a large # of politicians.

 

[Platinum State]

I could def see young men being influenced by those manosphere podcasters. Not crazy to think they swung the election to Trump

 

[tay1]

I just think you all have the causality backwards.

These dudes moved to the right because of the same cultural trend moving young men to the right in general. They aren't creating right wing men out of thin air.


Like this is a global phenomenon. Acting like this caused by a handful of podcasters imo doesn't make sense.



Like is Joe Rogan big in Norway?

Do you think teenagers just naturally complain about gender equality?

There are messages being pushed to them. I didn't mention anything about Joe Roegan. I'm sure Norway has their version of a Joe Rogan . And several more of them spewing propaganda that doesn't get squashed by the left. They're being influenced.

 

[mplsdunk]

I think the whole world is feeling the squeeze post covid so they reject the current party in power, which sent everyone to the right which will probably make things even more expensive and then they will go back to the left.

Basically and

The left also has no idea how to handle the current right

 

[RustyShackleford]

I just think you all have the causality backwards.

These dudes moved to the right because of the same cultural trend moving young men to the right in general. They aren't creating right wing men out of thin air.


Like this is a global phenomenon. Acting like this caused by a handful of podcasters imo doesn't make sense.



Like is Joe Rogan big in Norway?

Two things can be true

There are forces generally pushing young men to the right globally, these right wing podcasters have aided in pushing young men right in American.

There is right wing media in all those countries, there is social media. So of course we are seeing the same things in other places

But the magnitude to which it is happening in the US can be partly, or mainly, from factors outside these commentators, and be affected by them as well.

To use an economic analogy, inflation was a globally phenomena but it affect different countries on different levels, and unique aspects of each country played a part.

You have literally made the argument that liberal should go on Rogan, bashed liberal streamers because they are not helping the situation, bashed leftist media, so I find it hard to believe that you really believe it all doesn't matter. That would undercut a lot of your political takes.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Do you think teenagers just naturally and casually care complain about gender equality?

That messages is pushed to them. I didn't mention anything about Joe Roegan. I'm sure Norway has their version of a Joe Rogan . And several more of them spewing propaganda that doesn't get squashed by the left. They're being influenced.

Yah but like..If something is happening in multiple countries, in multiple languages, with diffuse actors...

That points to a broader cultural trend not the actions of a specific set of people.

 

[frink85]

teenage boys especially the current/new generations are the dumbest mfers on Earth their entire identity is based on being skibidi toilet rizz morons all they want to do is be IRL edgelords good luck getting them away from male right wing grifters

 

[ballinsam23]

We're stuck between two extremes.

The vast majority didnt like how far left we've went so they swung right. Until they'll realize maybe we've swing a little too much to the right.

Might be time for an independent if the next 4 years get out of hand.

 

[tay1]

Yah but like..If something is happening in multiple countries, in multiple languages, with diffuse actors...

That points to a broader cultural trend not the actions of a specific set of people.

Two things can be true

There are forces generally pushing young men to the right globally, these right wing podcasters have aided in pushing young men right in American.

There is right wing media in all those countries, there is social media. So of course we are seeing the same things in other places

But the magnitude to which it is happening in the US can be partly, or mainly, from factors outside these commentators, and be affected by them as well.

To use an economic analogy, inflation was a globally phenomena but it affect different countries on different levels, and unique aspects of each country played a part.

You have literally made the argument that liberal should go on Rogan, bashed liberal streamers because they are not helping the situation, bashed leftist media, so I find it hard to believe that you really believe it all doesn't matter. That would undercut a lot of your political takes.

 

[mplsdunk]

teenage boys especially the current/new generations are the dumbest mfers on Earth their entire identity is based on being skibidi toilet rizz morons all they want to do is be IRL edgelords good luck getting them away from male right wing grifters

My daughter’s half brother is 9, we called him and told him I lived near “Ohio” street. Dude lost his ****, I don’t think I’ve ever heard a kid laugh that hard.

rot to the max

 

[maq25060]

I want to ask a question for an honest discussion but I know no one from the minority/unpopular viewpoint will participate.

Does anyone here believe Musk wasnt doing a nazi salute? Or have had conversations with someone who holds that belief? I'm interested in knowing their interpretation of the gesture.

 

[rolaholic]

Good on you Bishop

 

[mplsdunk]

I want to ask a question for an honest discussion but I know no one from the minority/unpopular viewpoint will participate.

Does anyone here believe Musk wasnt doing a nazi salute? Or have had conversations with someone who holds that belief? I'm interested in knowing their interpretation of the gesture.

maybe like a 5% chance an autistic version of some ****** up "I love you" motion but I'm not going to bat for that scum bag.

keep in mind this is the dude who had "porch monkey station" in his Tesla factory so his doesn't change my opinion on him.

 

[noskey]

I want to ask a question for an honest discussion but I know no one from the minority/unpopular viewpoint will participate.

Does anyone here believe Musk wasnt doing a nazi salute? Or have had conversations with someone who holds that belief? I'm interested in knowing their interpretation of the gesture.

It's 100% a nazi salute. The hard arm motion and flat hand position, TWICE, removes any benefit of the doubt. There's been enough side-by-side videos. Elon practiced that ****. He was all too enthusiastic to throw that up.

 

[gry60]

maybe like a 5% chance an autistic version of some ****** up "I love you" motion but I'm not going to bat for that scum bag.

keep in mind this is the dude who had "porch monkey station" in his Tesla factory so his doesn't change my opinion on him.

This is a guy who had a paid subscription to a Boer account.

A 5% chance he wasn't doing it is wildly generous.

 

[finessence]

My daughter’s half brother is 9, we called him and told him I lived near “Ohio” street. Dude lost his ****, I don’t think I’ve ever heard a kid laugh that hard.

rot to the max

A bunch of “crank yankers” characters running around

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Two things can be true

There are forces generally pushing young men to the right globally, these right wing podcasters have aided in pushing young men right in American.

There is right wing media in all those countries, there is social media. So of course we are seeing the same things in other places

But the magnitude to which it is happening in the US can be partly, or mainly, from factors outside these commentators, and be affected by them as well.

To use an economic analogy, inflation was a globally phenomena but it affect different countries on different levels, and unique aspects of each country played a part.

You have literally made the argument that liberal should go on Rogan, bashed liberal streamers because they are not helping the situation, bashed leftist media, so I find it hard to believe that you really believe it all doesn't matter. That would undercut a lot of your political takes.

To be clear I'm not saying they zero effect.

I think inflation comparison is exactly right, it's a broader trend, but there are things individual actors can do to make it better or worse.

But wavycrockets Tay's argument unless I'm not understanding it sounds like a hyper conspiratorial greedflation argument. That actually inflation isn't real it's just companies colluding to price gouge people.

So yah I agree two things can be true. The right wing shift is broadly influed by broader cultural forcers. Individual right wing influencers and wreckless actions by the left have likely accelerated and made it worse. I push back when people try to make it seem like it's all just the cause of right wing brain washing.

 

[rolaholic]

It's 100% a nazi salute. The hard arm motion and flat hand position, TWICE, removes any benefit of the doubt. There's been enough side-by-side videos. Elon practiced that ****. He was all too enthusiastic to throw that up.

When the only people providing that generous interpretation are Elon bootlickers and the actual unabashed Nazis are giving you props, that says it all

Don't think the dude who grew up in apartheid South Africa, who regularly boosts and big ups far right parties and figures around the globe, who's father has publicly admitted to some grandparents being Nazi party members, and who's company has been embroiled in multiple federal racial discrimination lawsuits, deserves the benefit of the doubt on this one...

No need for mental gymnastics, you just have to take his own words for it

 

[gry60]

My daughter’s half brother is 9, we called him and told him I lived near “Ohio” street. Dude lost his ****, I don’t think I’ve ever heard a kid laugh that hard.

rot to the max

I wonder how different this generation would be if they weren't raised by their phones.

 

[mplsdunk]

This is a guy who had a paid subscription to a Boer account.

A 5% chance he wasn't doing it is wildly generous.

yeah like I said I'm not going to bat for him, this shouldn't change anyones opinion on him in here. we knew enough before his salute to put him in that category.

 

[mplsdunk]

I wonder how different this generation would be if they weren't raised by their phones.

hopefully they have a put the phone down movement when they get a little older.

I can't really **** on them too hard though, it's not like I didn't grow up online. we just said swag instead of sigma and aura

 

[finessence]

hopefully they have a put the phone down movement when they get a little older.

I can't really **** on them too hard though, it's not like I didn't grow up online. we just said swag instead of sigma and aura

We had balance. That’s the difference

 

[Mark Antony]

Like is Joe Rogan big in Norway?

Out of general curiosity, looks like the top non native Norwegian podcast.

Top Podcasts in Norway - Podscan.fm

Top podcasts on Spotify in Norway

podscan.fm

 

[ballinsam23]

I wonder how different this generation would be if they weren't raised by their phones.

They're looking to ban phones in school again here in NYC. Would be a start.

Screen time for kids 13+ or whenever they get their first phone is crazy.