Official Sacramento Kings Off-season Thread

Jameer is only slightly>Beno. I would rather hang onto Sammy's expiring. I think we could use a shooting SF more than a PG IMO.
 
Jameer is only slightly>Beno. I would rather hang onto Sammy's expiring. I think we could use a shooting SF more than a PG IMO.
 
Originally Posted by Mister916

Donte wearing Cool Greys 
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Not that I think he's very good (because he's not), but Mo Williams could be a good fit next to Tyreke. He played next to LeBron who had the ball in his hands a lot and excelled, so he could probably do the same with Tyreke next to him in the backcourt. His contract is tolerable (2 years-$18M, option after this season), so it won't hurt the Kings long-term.

Pretty sure the Cavs could use Dalembert's size and expiring contract too.
 
Not that I think he's very good (because he's not), but Mo Williams could be a good fit next to Tyreke. He played next to LeBron who had the ball in his hands a lot and excelled, so he could probably do the same with Tyreke next to him in the backcourt. His contract is tolerable (2 years-$18M, option after this season), so it won't hurt the Kings long-term.

Pretty sure the Cavs could use Dalembert's size and expiring contract too.
 
This game just goes to show how much the Kings need to change in order to be relevant again.

They pretty much have a deficiency at every position other than whichever guard that Tyreke is playing. Every other player is - or will develop into - a role player at best. Sure, we can talk about the young players like Donte, Omri, and Thompson fulfilling some kind of potential as they grow up, but realistically that potential is to be a role player that can have an impact on a team. None of the young guys that they have will become a star or legit second option on any team, even this one. And even though it's only 25 games in, I'm ready to put Cousins in the same category.

The bad thing for the Kings is that these role players just don't fit together. They can put one guy in who is good at some things but is a liability in terms of others; or they can put in another guy whose strengths and weaknesses are flipped. They need to find players who don't do this.

Tyreke still has the potential to be a true superstar, but his lackluster play is showing that he needs to run with a legitimate second option to be effective himself. He can't force a spin move and crossover every possession when defenses are honing in on him since he's by far the biggest threat on the court.

So, in my opinion, the Kings don't need to be looking at addressing a point guard issue or fill a hole at the 3. Addressing specific spots like that are for teams on the brink of becoming good. This team is so far from it that it doesn't matter. They need to focus on getting another legitimate force, period.

This isn't saying that the Kings don't have good players. Most of them deserve to be playing in the NBA - just not together.
 
This game just goes to show how much the Kings need to change in order to be relevant again.

They pretty much have a deficiency at every position other than whichever guard that Tyreke is playing. Every other player is - or will develop into - a role player at best. Sure, we can talk about the young players like Donte, Omri, and Thompson fulfilling some kind of potential as they grow up, but realistically that potential is to be a role player that can have an impact on a team. None of the young guys that they have will become a star or legit second option on any team, even this one. And even though it's only 25 games in, I'm ready to put Cousins in the same category.

The bad thing for the Kings is that these role players just don't fit together. They can put one guy in who is good at some things but is a liability in terms of others; or they can put in another guy whose strengths and weaknesses are flipped. They need to find players who don't do this.

Tyreke still has the potential to be a true superstar, but his lackluster play is showing that he needs to run with a legitimate second option to be effective himself. He can't force a spin move and crossover every possession when defenses are honing in on him since he's by far the biggest threat on the court.

So, in my opinion, the Kings don't need to be looking at addressing a point guard issue or fill a hole at the 3. Addressing specific spots like that are for teams on the brink of becoming good. This team is so far from it that it doesn't matter. They need to focus on getting another legitimate force, period.

This isn't saying that the Kings don't have good players. Most of them deserve to be playing in the NBA - just not together.
 
Originally Posted by SenorRoboto2k5

This game just goes to show how much the Kings need to change in order to be relevant again.

They pretty much have a deficiency at every position other than whichever guard that Tyreke is playing. Every other player is - or will develop into - a role player at best. Sure, we can talk about the young players like Donte, Omri, and Thompson fulfilling some kind of potential as they grow up, but realistically that potential is to be a role player that can have an impact on a team. None of the young guys that they have will become a star or legit second option on any team, even this one. And even though it's only 25 games in, I'm ready to put Cousins in the same category.

The bad thing for the Kings is that these role players just don't fit together. They can put one guy in who is good at some things but is a liability in terms of others; or they can put in another guy whose strengths and weaknesses are flipped. They need to find players who don't do this.

Tyreke still has the potential to be a true superstar, but his lackluster play is showing that he needs to run with a legitimate second option to be effective himself. He can't force a spin move and crossover every possession when defenses are honing in on him since he's by far the biggest threat on the court.

So, in my opinion, the Kings don't need to be looking at addressing a point guard issue or fill a hole at the 3. Addressing specific spots like that are for teams on the brink of becoming good. This team is so far from it that it doesn't matter. They need to focus on getting another legitimate force, period.

This isn't saying that the Kings don't have good players. Most of them deserve to be playing in the NBA - just not together.
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All Kings fans can agree that guys like JT, Omri, and Donte will probably never be stars, but it's not like that would be a surprise. If JT can average 10 and 10 and play good defense like a Haslem, great. If Omri can come off the bench and just provide a spark like a poor man's Hedo, great. If Donte can just play solid defense on the opposing team's best front court player and make his open 3's, great.

You writing off Cousins already? Not the first time you were wrong about the Kings. Like Kevin Martin right? How you feel about that trade now?
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I believe a PG that will provide veteran leadership and both Evans and Cousins respect and listen to will be key.

Steve Nash. 
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Sidebar, Nelson and Williams are good candidates as well, but are they good leaders? Williams might start crying after the losses start piling up.
 
Originally Posted by SenorRoboto2k5

This game just goes to show how much the Kings need to change in order to be relevant again.

They pretty much have a deficiency at every position other than whichever guard that Tyreke is playing. Every other player is - or will develop into - a role player at best. Sure, we can talk about the young players like Donte, Omri, and Thompson fulfilling some kind of potential as they grow up, but realistically that potential is to be a role player that can have an impact on a team. None of the young guys that they have will become a star or legit second option on any team, even this one. And even though it's only 25 games in, I'm ready to put Cousins in the same category.

The bad thing for the Kings is that these role players just don't fit together. They can put one guy in who is good at some things but is a liability in terms of others; or they can put in another guy whose strengths and weaknesses are flipped. They need to find players who don't do this.

Tyreke still has the potential to be a true superstar, but his lackluster play is showing that he needs to run with a legitimate second option to be effective himself. He can't force a spin move and crossover every possession when defenses are honing in on him since he's by far the biggest threat on the court.

So, in my opinion, the Kings don't need to be looking at addressing a point guard issue or fill a hole at the 3. Addressing specific spots like that are for teams on the brink of becoming good. This team is so far from it that it doesn't matter. They need to focus on getting another legitimate force, period.

This isn't saying that the Kings don't have good players. Most of them deserve to be playing in the NBA - just not together.
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All Kings fans can agree that guys like JT, Omri, and Donte will probably never be stars, but it's not like that would be a surprise. If JT can average 10 and 10 and play good defense like a Haslem, great. If Omri can come off the bench and just provide a spark like a poor man's Hedo, great. If Donte can just play solid defense on the opposing team's best front court player and make his open 3's, great.

You writing off Cousins already? Not the first time you were wrong about the Kings. Like Kevin Martin right? How you feel about that trade now?
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I believe a PG that will provide veteran leadership and both Evans and Cousins respect and listen to will be key.

Steve Nash. 
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Sidebar, Nelson and Williams are good candidates as well, but are they good leaders? Williams might start crying after the losses start piling up.
 
Can't believe Cousins lost his starting job cause of his taunt. Westphal with his bone headed moves.
 
Can't believe Cousins lost his starting job cause of his taunt. Westphal with his bone headed moves.
 
[h1]Big names emerge in push for new Sacramento arena[/h1]
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By Ryan Lillis and Tony Bizjak
[email protected]

Published: Wednesday, Dec. 22, 2010 - 12:00 am| Page 1A

Last Modified: Wednesday, Dec. 22, 2010 - 6:36 am

The effort to build a new sports arena in Sacramento has gone national.

In recent days competing teams have emerged that include some of the country's most prolific developers of arenas and stadiums.

One group began talking last week at the request of Mayor Kevin Johnson. It includes ICON Venue Group, developer of two dozen arenas and stadiums around the world; Turner Construction, the national firm building the new jet concourse at Sacramento International Airport; and local developer David Taylor.

And re-emerging in the game Tuesday was developer Gerry Kamilos, who spearheaded the now-dead proposal to build an arena in the downtown railyard through a land swap involving the State Fair.

In a letter to city officials, Kamilos said he has teamed with Hunt Construction, which headed the construction team for the massive new Amway Center in Orlando, and recently broke ground on the Barclays Center in New York, future home of the New Jersey Nets. Hunt officials could not be reached for comment.

Kamilos said his team also has added one of the largest architectural and engineering firms in the world, AECOM, as well as companies with experience in transportation projects. He said he would submit a preliminary proposal by the end of the month.

The mayor, who has pushed for more than a year to build a new home for the Sacramento Kings that could also host other entertainment events, said he is pleased new groups have emerged.

"It's like waking up on Christmas morning with a whole bunch of gifts wrapped up under the tree – you don't know exactly what will be in the individual boxes, but you do know it will be something good," Johnson said in an e-mail.

The mayor set up a conference call Dec. 13 with developer Taylor, the ICON group and others, then left the room once introductions had been made.

The mayor's aides said his involvement doesn't mean he would favor a proposal submitted by the group over others being vetted by a task force he convened to analyze project bids.

ICON is a well-known developer of sports arenas, having worked on the Pepsi Center in Denver, Sprint Center in Kansas City and the O2 arena in London. The firm was chosen recently as the project manager for a new football stadium proposed for downtown Los Angeles.

Melissa Heiter, an ICON spokeswoman, would not comment on the company's interest in getting involved in a project here.

In addition to the Sacramento airport project, Turner Construction was involved in construction of the new Yankee Stadium in New York. A Turner spokeswoman did not return a phone call seeking comment.

Taylor, downtown Sacramento's most successful developer, was involved in Kamilos' previous arena proposal that called for the State Fair to move from Cal Expo to the Natomas site where the Kings now play. Proceeds from the development of the Cal Expo site would have helped pay for a new arena in the downtown railyard.

The railyard remains a likely candidate for an arena in both new proposals.

Taylor said getting an arena built in Sacramento will require a multifaceted development team.

"It is going to take a combination of lots of things – the correct designer, the correct builder, construction manager, the correct group to negotiate terms with the city, the Maloofs, the NBA and any private investors," he said. "I feel like I bring some local, downtown experience perhaps no one else can bring."

Architect Dan Meis, designer of the Staples Center in Los Angeles, and Adam Mendelsohn, a Sacramento political consultant who is one of the mayor's advisers, have been involved in the group's talks. Both previously sat on the mayor's arena task force.

No proposal has developed yet, but the group is expected to submit a letter expressing interest in the project to the mayoral arena task force by next week.

Kamilos, meanwhile, said he is trying to bring more expertise to the table.

"Going through the process with the city made us aware we needed to bring additional experience on intermodal facilities and also bring near-term experience on arenas, companies that understand the current costs and implementation," he said.

Kamilos declined to offer details of his revised plan but described it as an improved product.

His proposal, along with at least two others, will be analyzed by the mayoral task force next month. That analysis will be delivered to the City Council before a council discussion Jan. 25.

Other proposals are in the works as well.

A group proposing an arena for the current Arco Arena site in Natomas has said it would re-submit a plan to the arena task force.

And Larry Kelley, developer of the McClellan Business Park, is continuing to work on a proposal for a downtown arena along with attorney Mike Kvarme and downtown businessman Ali Mackani.

Kamilos said he welcomed the competition. "Being able to approach a solution at many different angles is great; it's great for the community to have different ideas."


Read more: http://www.sacbee.com/2010/12/22/3274807/big-names-emerge-in-push-for-new.html#ixzz18xei4esm
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[h1]Big names emerge in push for new Sacramento arena[/h1]
Share

By Ryan Lillis and Tony Bizjak
[email protected]

Published: Wednesday, Dec. 22, 2010 - 12:00 am| Page 1A

Last Modified: Wednesday, Dec. 22, 2010 - 6:36 am

The effort to build a new sports arena in Sacramento has gone national.

In recent days competing teams have emerged that include some of the country's most prolific developers of arenas and stadiums.

One group began talking last week at the request of Mayor Kevin Johnson. It includes ICON Venue Group, developer of two dozen arenas and stadiums around the world; Turner Construction, the national firm building the new jet concourse at Sacramento International Airport; and local developer David Taylor.

And re-emerging in the game Tuesday was developer Gerry Kamilos, who spearheaded the now-dead proposal to build an arena in the downtown railyard through a land swap involving the State Fair.

In a letter to city officials, Kamilos said he has teamed with Hunt Construction, which headed the construction team for the massive new Amway Center in Orlando, and recently broke ground on the Barclays Center in New York, future home of the New Jersey Nets. Hunt officials could not be reached for comment.

Kamilos said his team also has added one of the largest architectural and engineering firms in the world, AECOM, as well as companies with experience in transportation projects. He said he would submit a preliminary proposal by the end of the month.

The mayor, who has pushed for more than a year to build a new home for the Sacramento Kings that could also host other entertainment events, said he is pleased new groups have emerged.

"It's like waking up on Christmas morning with a whole bunch of gifts wrapped up under the tree – you don't know exactly what will be in the individual boxes, but you do know it will be something good," Johnson said in an e-mail.

The mayor set up a conference call Dec. 13 with developer Taylor, the ICON group and others, then left the room once introductions had been made.

The mayor's aides said his involvement doesn't mean he would favor a proposal submitted by the group over others being vetted by a task force he convened to analyze project bids.

ICON is a well-known developer of sports arenas, having worked on the Pepsi Center in Denver, Sprint Center in Kansas City and the O2 arena in London. The firm was chosen recently as the project manager for a new football stadium proposed for downtown Los Angeles.

Melissa Heiter, an ICON spokeswoman, would not comment on the company's interest in getting involved in a project here.

In addition to the Sacramento airport project, Turner Construction was involved in construction of the new Yankee Stadium in New York. A Turner spokeswoman did not return a phone call seeking comment.

Taylor, downtown Sacramento's most successful developer, was involved in Kamilos' previous arena proposal that called for the State Fair to move from Cal Expo to the Natomas site where the Kings now play. Proceeds from the development of the Cal Expo site would have helped pay for a new arena in the downtown railyard.

The railyard remains a likely candidate for an arena in both new proposals.

Taylor said getting an arena built in Sacramento will require a multifaceted development team.

"It is going to take a combination of lots of things – the correct designer, the correct builder, construction manager, the correct group to negotiate terms with the city, the Maloofs, the NBA and any private investors," he said. "I feel like I bring some local, downtown experience perhaps no one else can bring."

Architect Dan Meis, designer of the Staples Center in Los Angeles, and Adam Mendelsohn, a Sacramento political consultant who is one of the mayor's advisers, have been involved in the group's talks. Both previously sat on the mayor's arena task force.

No proposal has developed yet, but the group is expected to submit a letter expressing interest in the project to the mayoral arena task force by next week.

Kamilos, meanwhile, said he is trying to bring more expertise to the table.

"Going through the process with the city made us aware we needed to bring additional experience on intermodal facilities and also bring near-term experience on arenas, companies that understand the current costs and implementation," he said.

Kamilos declined to offer details of his revised plan but described it as an improved product.

His proposal, along with at least two others, will be analyzed by the mayoral task force next month. That analysis will be delivered to the City Council before a council discussion Jan. 25.

Other proposals are in the works as well.

A group proposing an arena for the current Arco Arena site in Natomas has said it would re-submit a plan to the arena task force.

And Larry Kelley, developer of the McClellan Business Park, is continuing to work on a proposal for a downtown arena along with attorney Mike Kvarme and downtown businessman Ali Mackani.

Kamilos said he welcomed the competition. "Being able to approach a solution at many different angles is great; it's great for the community to have different ideas."


Read more: http://www.sacbee.com/2010/12/22/3274807/big-names-emerge-in-push-for-new.html#ixzz18xei4esm
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