:::[Official] San Francisco 49ers 2024 Season Thread [1-1 @Rams 9/22 1:25PST]:::

[moe200069]

wut in tarnations??

 

[49ersaaron8]

Mike Williams on the goal line is a cheat code. Dude is unfair with those jump balls.

What you think of JJ Arcega-Whiteside?

Dude is a redzone nightmare.

 

[red81]

I love his body control and ability to box out defenders. Great size. Savvy footwork in his releases. I really like JJ.

Kelvin Harmon is my top WR, BUT that's only because DK Metcalf is hurt. I want to see this dude healthy at the combine. I have a feeling we could see a Julio Jones-type performance at the combine. People, especially Niner fans, are going to lose their **** if that happens lol.

 

[lightweight champion]

 

[49ersaaron8]

I love his body control and ability to box out defenders. Great size. Savvy footwork in his releases. I really like JJ.

Kelvin Harmon is my top WR, BUT that's only because DK Metcalf is hurt. I want to see this dude healthy at the combine. I have a feeling we could see a Julio Jones-type performance at the combine. People, especially Niner fans, are going to lose their **** if that happens lol.

I like Kelvin Harmon but he seems to be a body catcher when high pointing but it works for him.

 

[red81]

I like Kelvin Harmon but he seems to be a body catcher when high pointing but it works for him.

Yup, that's his biggest flaw.

 

[49ersaaron8]

Yeah I watched some NC state games where he was going up in traffic and pinning the ball to his shoulder pads. But like I said it seems to work for him.

I love his ability to separate tho.

 

[red81]

I want to be in the war room when Kyle watches DK Metcalf. It'd be sweet to see him break down his tape. It's not often we see an athlete like that WR. He's so much more than an athlete, too. Dude knows how to use his hands and feet to beat press, understands coverages, tracks the ball exceptionally well, can run away after the catch, etc. Dude reminds of the classic Bill Walsh WCO WRs we grew up watching. There's a little TO there.

 

[49ersaaron8]

I want to be in the war room when Kyle watches DK Metcalf. It'd be sweet to see him break down his tape. It's not often we see an athlete like that WR. He's so much more than an athlete, too. Dude knows how to use his hands and feet to beat press, understands coverages, tracks the ball exceptionally well, can run away after the catch, etc. Dude reminds of the classic WCO WRs we grew up watching.

Ole miss got 3 potential 1st round WRs. I like Demarkus Lodge.


Odd that their defense was so bad this year.

 

[red81]

I don't think we even know how good this dude is because of the vertical route tree he was forced to work within at ole miss. This is the first time he caught my eye. The second gear for a dude 6-3, 225 lbs blew me away.

This is Bill Walsh's WR scouting philosophy. It's interesting to read this 20 yrs later. I think Kyle's is a little different. He loves his speed.

WIDE RECEIVER

Ideal size: 6-3, 210

The critical factor at wide receiver in my mind is agility and body control, the ability to change your body position often off the g round in order to get your hands in position to make the catch, ala Cris Carter of Minnesota. He would be the ideal in that respect.

That particular characteristic must be there for the receiver to be considered a Pro Bowl or a Hall of Fame player. You must have that to get to the highest tier of play.

Secondly is strength. That is somewhat related to girth. You need to power through players. When you are bounced into players you must be able to keep your feet, regain your balance and move into position and continue your pass route. So there has to be a certain amount of strength, as Jerry Rice or John Taylor demonstrated so often with the 49ers.

Hands are vital, but you almost have to assume that anyone you are considering is going to have outstanding hands. The difference between players is the agility and strength that was mentioned. That allows them to get into position to make the catch, to use their hands.

We can have drills where the receiver is running under the ball and making great catch after great catch. So people would assume that he has outstanding hands. But in reality, most catches are made with the ball and the defender closing at the same instant and the receiver having to reverse his body into a totally different position, get your hands up and catch the ball and be hit at the same moment. That is the key element in greatness -- agility and strength together.

Focus is critical here. The ability to find the ball, focusing on it and isolating it from everything else that's happening. When you are evaluating the tapes, you look for those plays that demonstrate those situations. You make a evaluation tape of those plays.

You establish the criteria that you require. Then you have a tape that demonstrates those requirements.

Pure speed is helpful, but full-stride speed becomes important. You would like a receiver with the ball in the open field to be able to keep the separation with the closing defenders until he gets over the goal line. He doesn't have to outrun them. He doesn't have to gain ground on them. He just has to get there before they do so he scores. So it doesn't have to be sprinters' speed, but full-stride speed.

A good example of that was Mike Quick when he was at Philadelphia. He had just an average 40 time, but once in the open field the long strides gave him the functional speed to stay away or get away from defenders. Dwight Clark, believe it or not, was never caught from behind once he got into full stride. Now he used the field to weave and bend, but he was never caught. And Jerry Rice will never be caught from behind by anyone if they both have the same, basic starting point.

Now there have been other people who have been Olympic sprinters who get tangled up and can't get back into full stride quickly enough and somebody just comes up and overwhelms them from out of nowhere. If they catch the ball and there is any contact at all, by the time they get back in running stride, the people have closed on them. Full-stride speed is the key.

Coaching becomes a factor in regards to their ability to evade at the line of scrimmage and their ability to read the form of coverage and their ability to change a pattern accordingly. That all comes through coaching, training and their focus in a game.

Durability is a factor because they are going to be hit a lot. And they are going to be hit when they are in a vulnerable position at times. And they are going to be hit by much bigger men when they catch a hook pattern against a linebacker.

Injuries are key because at this position injuries impair their ability to function at a high level, especially when compared to, say, an offensive lineman who can play damaged. Wide receivers are finely tuned athletes who need to be in top condition to perform well. If they are in any way damaged, it is difficult for them to function at a high level.

 

[junglejim]

Armstead trying to get paid.

 

[moe200069]

Armstead trying to get paid.

while i know it's in respect to his hometown, it's ironic that a dude with the word "sac" in his instagram name can barely get them on the field.

nevertheless, glad to hear that he's been turning a new leaf in recent weeks. considering he has a big pay day coming next season, i could see kyle propping him up to use him as a potential trading piece for draft picks

 

[red81]

AA has been really solid this year, especially against the run, but I'd still try to flip him for a pick. The 49ers have a couple dudes that play his position(big end) in Solly, Jullian Taylor, and Kentavius Street. And if they wanted to upgrade that spot, Zach Allen would be a monster there.

 

[dland24]

You guys ever notice that Philip Rivers and Hunter Pence have the exact same throwing motion? lol

This is the most on point post in the history of this thread. Cannot believe I didnt notice this myself.

Absolutely spot on.

 

[49ersaaron8]

AA has been really solid this year, especially against the run, but I'd still try to flip him for a pick. The 49ers have a couple dudes that play his position(big end) in Solly, Jullian Taylor, and Kentavius Street. And if they wanted to upgrade that spot, Zach Allen would be a monster there.

I’d be more OK with them moving on from Solly than Arik.

But Solly only 23 years old until August so not ready to just let him go for a day 3 pick.

 

[49ersaaron8]

AA has been really solid this year, especially against the run, but I'd still try to flip him for a pick. The 49ers have a couple dudes that play his position(big end) in Solly, Jullian Taylor, and Kentavius Street. And if they wanted to upgrade that spot, Zach Allen would be a monster there.

Do you have a opinion on 2019 free agent Trey Flowers?

To me he seems like he has a legitimate shot to hit free agency unlike the more high profile edge rushers.

Wonder if Patriots will extend Trent Brown because currently he’s on his final year.

 

[red81]

Flowers is a very solid player, but he's going to get paid way more than he's worth. Zadarius Smith is another guy in a similar spot. If they're going to overpay, I want Clowney or Lawrence, but I can't see either hitting free agency.

Ronald Blair is quietly having a good season in a limited role. 5.5 sacks, 11 QB hits, 8 TFL. I think they should give him an extension. It won't cost much, and he's a quality player to have coming off the bench.

 

[49ersaaron8]

Agreed Blair needs to be on the roster years from now. His motor never stops.

 

[red81]

**** yeah

 

[heatseeker23]

Love these rare weekends with games on Saturday

 

[red81]

Love these rare weekends with games on Saturday

****, I didn't even realize we were at that point in the season. Good looking.

 

[red81]

 

[red81]

The Jets have something in Sam Darnold. This dude can play. I wasn't a big fan of his coming out, but he can absolutely play.

 

[lightweight champion]

For a season that’s been a nightmare from hell it sure has gone by quick.

 

[49ersaaron8]

The Jets have something in Sam Darnold. This dude can play. I wasn't a big fan of his coming out, but he can absolutely play.

I love Robbie Anderson.