Official Stock Market & Economy Thread

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After the Fed cut target benchmark rates to 0-0.25% (1. quantitative easing ftl smh, and 2. what the hell is this target "zone"?) on Tuesday, themarket staged a powerful rally, sending indices and leading stocks above their all-important 50 day moving average levels. Three days later, we have reversedall of those gains, and things are looking bearish as ever. The market is in a rising wedge pattern, common in powerful bear markets, and I expect a break downcoming very soon. Next week is shortened due to Christmas and the week after that is the last trading week of the calendar year so I expect a small bounce toend the year, but the beginning of January will be met with big selling, in my opinion.

Commercial real estate is the next shoe to drop. The global credit crisis's effects are just now starting to trickle into normal American's spendinghabits, as their wealth has been drastically diminished with falling housing prices, mutual funds, pension funds, and widespread layoffs. Consumer spending isgoing to get hit hard starting in 2009, kicking off after bad Christmas season numbers are reported and stores start going out of business. Retailers leavingmalls and other commercial real estate developments further decrease the lease prices real estate investment trusts (REITs) and mall operators generate incomefrom. This is going to send commercial real estate collateralized debt obligations spiraling down, just as they did for residential real estate in 2007-2008,leaving companies like Simon Property Group (SPG), Vornado Realty Trust (VNO),and Public Storage (PSA) absolutely toast.

Insurers are another sector to watch for in 2009. They are another batch of financial companies very adversely affected by widespread insolvency ratios. Thesecompanies are going to lose a lot more money as credit tightens further and they suffer more write-downs and losses, as their huge exposure to synthetic CDOstopples their revenues. Also, as unemployment starts rising (first cost-cutting measure of a business is labor capital), fewer Americans will drive to work,and automobile use will decline significantly. This will drastically decrease demand for auto insurance, further hurting insurers. Prudential (PRU), Hartsford Insurance Group (HIG), Allstate (ALL), and Metlife (MET) are among the best names to watch for big downside incoming months, and these might be names that will be requiring TARP bailouts in the future.

Here's my take on the market in the forseeable future: we rally/bounce/consolidate through the end of December and starting in early January, we startselling off strongly. I expect the indices to sell off at least to their late November lows, most likely breaking them. The rising wedge pattern the market isforming is very bearish and when we undercut the lower trendline, we should sell off hard. Bernie Madoff news shold add fuel to the fire, as people will wantto liquidate their own hedge funds, and other institutional funds will get redemption orders. We may bottom out around March, possibly sparking a strongcountertrend bear market bounce/rally, as we will be coming off of two strong selloffs. Look for oil's bottom to come in the next few months, as well, atleast an intermediate term bottom. In June, I called for July 4 to be the top of oil around $150 and for oil to sell off from there to a bottm around $50. Wellit is already below $40, so a bottom may be approaching, but there is no reason to buy quite yet.

Here is a chart of the S&P 500 with my rising wedge drawn in. A strong breach of the support trendline should usher in a fresh selloff.

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I made big money off of the recent market crash, making over $400k in September and October with huge put positions in indices, techs, commodities, andfinancials. I see another big decline coming soon, not as drastic as the Sept-Oct selloff but still significant. Liquidate your mutual fund, pension fund, andIRA holdings, pay the fees and taxes, it's worth it. The Dow isn't bottoming for good until 4000. The entire 1990s and 2000s were fueled by artificialwealth allowed by artificially free credit. America financed overconsumption through debt and now we will be purged of this artificial wealth. Get out of yourfunds and liquidate into cash and gold.
 
That was back in my rookie days, before I was doing much economic research and when I was just looking for chart patterns, but I will tell you this--eventually, casual dining restaurants are toastttt. Prolly not until later this year, but SNS is a perfect example of a stock I see near 0 in a year or two.
 
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early Jan i'ma start loading up on SRS and SKF out of the money call options, and SHLD GS SPG VNO BXP LCC CAL HIG PRU out of the money put options. watchthe account swell even more.
 
No I don't think the market bottoms for good for another 1-2 years, but March could be an intermediate term bottom, from where we get a pretty strong bearbounce. We will undercut all lows by this time next year, though.
 
Originally Posted by Dey Know Yayo

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early Jan i'ma start loading up on SRS and SKF out of the money call options, and SHLD GS SPG VNO BXP LCC CAL HIG PRU out of the money put options. watch the account swell even more.

I'm in SKF @ 131.16, the thing about the double and triple leveraged ETF's though is that they decay over time. Since it's daily leverage, overtimethey lose. So if you want you can really just short SKF and UG and overtime you'll gain.

I see you gettin' paper.
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This is all in Chinese to me man.
But I'm no fool, I know theres money to be made...
What's the best easiest way to make some money? get a broker?
Join E*Trade?
I'm willing to pump $100 a month into something worthwile
 
Originally Posted by derryj3

This is all in Chinese to me man.
But I'm no fool, I know there's money to be made...
What's the best easiest way to make some money? get a broker?
Join E*Trade?
I'm willing to pump $100 a month into something worthwhile
Research.

Dey Know Yayo, which online broker do you use?
 
Originally Posted by derryj3

LOL than what's the point of this thread?

Did you expect to get a step-by-step walk through on what to do to make $400k in a couple months.
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Originally Posted by Dey Know Yayo

interactive brokers.

$100/month is barely going to cover commissions, all i'm saying.
That's really low commission. I'm on e*trade getting raped at $12.99 apiece.
 
etrade, scottrade, etc are all absolute BS.

interactive brokers, thinkorswim, tradestation are much more professional
 
DKY, which program are you using to get these charts? Or is this part of interactive brokers?
 
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Originally Posted by derryj3

LOL than what's the point of this thread?

Did you expect to get a step-by-step walk through on what to do to make $400k in a couple months.
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Naw ofcourse not I'm saying I don't know anything about the market,I'm trying to see if my money will be better in the Market or in a Roth IRAaccount
 
I use Thinkorswim's charting platform for charts.

Put your money in the market, IRAs are just going to lose you money.
 
DKY, you are obviously very knowledgeable on the subject and was wondering if you could recommend any books or websites that would be helpful to reaching thecurrent knowledge you have. I am in college now and am broke, but would like to get well versed on the market so that when I graduate and have money, I will beable to put it to good work. Thanks for the help.
 
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