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Donovan is in Cambodia finding himself. As far as I'm concerned, he can stay there...I think it will be a nice change to not see him on the roster. He had trouble fitting his head through doorways for years....
 
psk2310 said:
Donovan is in Cambodia finding himself. As far as I'm concerned, he can stay there...I think it will be a nice change to not see him on the roster. He had trouble fitting his head through doorways for years....
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i'm not even sure if that's a joke about him actually being in cambodia...but good. we need to move on from him anyway.
 
psk2310 said:
Donovan is in Cambodia finding himself. As far as I'm concerned, he can stay there...I think it will be a nice change to not see him on the roster. He had trouble fitting his head through doorways for years....
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Finding himself? what does that mean? Is living the life of a multimillion dollar soccer player and winning championships that hard that he needs to find himself?

if he wants to retire, he should just come out and say it. If hes tired of it, just come out and say it. Dont keep people guessing :rolleyes:rolleyes
 
Is Landon even making a mill in the MLS 8o for some reason I really doubt it


Edit: he makes 2.4 mil
 
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BATHING CHUCK said:
psk2310 said:
Donovan is in Cambodia finding himself. As far as I'm concerned, he can stay there...I think it will be a nice change to not see him on the roster. He had trouble fitting his head through doorways for years....
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Finding himself? what does that mean? Is living the life of a multimillion dollar soccer player and winning championships that hard that he needs to find himself?

if he wants to retire, he should just come out and say it. If hes tired of it, just come out and say it. Dont keep people guessing :rolleyes:rolleyes
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Yo, he's a one man mission bringing footy to 3rd world countries... Leave that man alone.... :lol
 
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I'm one of those people that no matter how shaky our backline looks I still want Cameron and Gonzalez together...
also happy Donovan wasn't called up.
 
Klinsmann had a lot of problems clashing with management & players with the German national teams & at Bayern Munich. Looks like he's having the same problems with the US National team. You'd think he's smart enough to have evolved but I guess h is ego is preventing that.
 
rck2sactown said:
Does Jurgen live in Huntington Beach still?? 
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Yes, there were stories posted saying he earned a pilot's license & he was traveling by helicopter from practices to home...

BEIN's show the locker room showed how bad defensively Gonzales was during the Hondurous game using video. Man it was bad. He was so badly out of position on the goals scored it makes you wonder if he's ever played at all
 
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I honestly think Omar has a huge part of the future in the back line...... to see him thrown in to the fire like that is whack 
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Nike Jordan said:
Is the USMNT doomed? :(
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It's a transition period really from the days guys like Donovan, Beasley, Bocanegra, & Howard were in their primes. The US naitonal team is also trying to change the culture it's been operating under for years & that in it of itself is a painful process.

I had hopes that Klinsmann would be the man smart enough to fuse European/German aspects of futbol into the American program but it looks like he's having the same problems that plagued him with the German national team & BM. I also think there's a problem with US athletes (in all sports) in general. We have the most self entitled group of primadonnas...
 
I was hoping to see someone come out to counter what's been written which would mean the article I posted was off base & here we go from none other than Carlos Bocanegra & Tim Howard.





Carlos Bocanegra takes to Facebook, gives defense of Klinsmann
Richard Farley Mar 20, 2013, 12:35 PM EDT

If Carlos Bocanegra really was broken hearted, he got over it.

That was the distraught picture painted by an anonymous player in yesterday’s buzzworthy piece, but judging by what the U.S. men’s national team captain posted to Facebook last night, he was either never as crestfallen as described or is showing an admirable amount of resiliency.

Posting to his Facebook page last night, Bocanegra provided a tacit defense of Jurgen Klinsmann, lauding one aspect of his coach’s communication style while providing some perspective on a coach’s prerogative:

"During the last 18 months Jurgen has introduced a lot of new ideas to the team and has a vision of how he wants to grow the program. Every coach around the world has his own style and methods. He has always been up front with players about where they stand and where he sees them going. Not every player is going to be happy with all of the decisions and methods, but he will tell you to your face where you stand. From a coach, that is the best thing you could ask for. One of the greatest strengths of this team has always been our unity and spirit, and we all remain committed to the cause of qualifying for the World Cup."

Let’s go ahead and read way too much into this.

One possibility holds Bocanegra has put aside his broken heart (another person’s diagnosis) and taken the high road, electing to issue a pacifying statement with the hopes that it can defuse the potentially distracting controversy. Even from Spain, the captain’s providing leadership. He may not be happy with situation, and he could very well share all the concerns that came out this week. But as far as his public face is concerned? He’s the captain.

Another other possibility: Bocanegra is being earnest and just stating the obvious. After Tuesday’s early backlash, he felt it was important to provide a more level-headed perspective. Yes, there are unhappy players, but “[n]ot every player is going to be happy.” Klinsmann’s “vision” is “new”, but “[e]very coach around the world has his own style and methods.”

Much like the Sporting News piece, Bocanegra’s embodies both sides of the debate. Klinsmann has changed things, but players know that, and they know why. According to Bocanegra, “that is the best thing you could ask for.” At some point, players need to adjust.
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Here's some more on the situation including a quote from Howard.

http://prosoccertalk.nbcsports.com/...smann-usmnt-united-states-mens-national-team/


Tim Howard next to defuse U.S. man’s national team controversy (and the developing picture)
Richard Farley Mar 20, 2013, 2:20 PM EDT

The piece that’s become the talk of the U.S. Soccer world was already a six-of-one-half kind of story, but with a couple of veterans going on record to clarify some of the depictions given to the Sporting News, if feels like there’s some record-straightening going on. Carlos Bocanegra was quick to respond via his Facebook, talking up some of Jurgen Klinsmann’s positive qualities. Now Tim Howard’s gone on record with Soccer by Ives to address the idea of a locker room divided. If Steve Cherundolo and Clint Dempsey chime in, this story may get double back on itself. Or worse.

First, let’s talk Tim Howard. The Everton keeper is out of this week’s qualifiers with broken bones in his back. When he’s in the team, he’s recognized as one of the its leaders, a status that makes his comments to SBI all the more meaningful:

“Our team has always been made up of players who come from different backgrounds, which has been a source of strength for the group. No matter where players are from, the pride in wearing the U.S. shirt is the only thing that matter (sic) to us.

“We have a great group of guys who are all committed to the cause, and the morale and the camaraderie remains high. We are completely unified in our ultimate goal, which is to qualify for the World Cup.”

Obviously these comments only speak to one of many concerns raised by players in Sporting News’ work, but the idea of a divided locker room — one which pitted German-American in a type of culturally-driven split — was one of the more concerning aspects of yesterday’s feature. But between Bocanegra and Howard we have two players who’ve alluded to they unity (Bocanegra’s word) and camaraderie (Howard’s) as a plus. If the locker room isn’t exactly fraternal, I’m inclined to think it’s tenable.

This also gets back to what we discussed in the Bocanegra post. Are these comments just window dressing from a leader or an earnest rebuttal? Given Bocanegra’s role in the team, you can see the virtues of maintaining a public face. But Howard? He’s not the captain. He could stay quiet, yet he’s spoken out.

We’ll double back on this later today, but these two public clarifications bring up a number of concerns:

First, this story may have more legs and angles than we thought. If the Sporting News’ story was allowed to run its course, it might die out or be overshadowed come Friday – a one-time bomb. But the life cycle for this story may be longer than we thought (and even from the team’s point of view, that may not be a bad thing).

Second, a locker room divided on cultural lines? You don’t say. Shock-gasp-awe. That doesn’t mean the locker room is poisonous, about to explode, or even out of the ordinary. This is just how people tend to organize themselves, for better or worse. More on this later.

Third, the Sporting News claimed 22 sources in and around the team, all with a certain level of knowledge of U.S. Soccer. It might be time for us to start seriously considering who these sources could be, because it’s no secret that Klinsmann’s hiring has never been fully loved by the entire establishment. If a revered team member is giving up the worst on Klinsmann, that’s telling. If it’s a former player who never agreed with the hire in the first place, we need to consider the comments in a completely different light.

Fourth, there is the risk of a backlash overshadowing the real issues. The concerns brought up by Sporting News are real. The question is more of magnitude than existence. Comments like Bocanegra’s or Howard’s shouldn’t be used to disregard the findings from SN’s work.

And finally, the more people that come out clarifying this story, the easy it’s going to be to identify those anonymous sources. And if you think things are bad now (and they’re not, really), it could get worse if people are able to zero in on the dissectors who helped light a powder keg before a World Cup qualifier.
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Now Bruce Arena had to chime in with his ignorant thoughts: “Players on the national team should be — and this is my own feeling — they should be Americans,” Arena told ESPN the Magazine’s Doug McIntyre. “If they’re all born in other countries, I don’t think we can say we are making progress.”

I kind of see his point but at the same time, many nations from around the world have implemented and even expedited citizenship procedures to cap people who have much lower connections to their countries than the German Americans to the US....I hate this kind of talk and one of the things that bothered me was the comments in that SN piece about the GErmans separating themselves from the team. I know its a small sample obviously but in those USMNT videos they always show them hanging out with Mo Edu, Jozy, etc. the other black players on our team. I'm not shocked that the Mex-Americans hang out more with players ethnically like them or the German-Americans do the same, people tend to do that in general doesn't mean they don't like other ethnicities.

The tactical stuff IS troubling but I feel like people knew of that when Klinsy was in charge of the German NT and Bayern, he's more of a motivational guy it seems (although those anonymous quotes kinda just show him saying "express yourselves guys") :lol Than a tactical genius...thats what Loew was for him in Germany and we don't have that guy here....if we can beat Costa Rica and unlikely but maybe win or draw at Azteca this will be water under the bridge.

I really wonder who these quotes could be from though if its not Timmy or Boca, probably not a guy like Cherundolo or any of the Ger-Americans obviously :lol but maybe some fringe guys who feel slighted that the newish guys are taking their places? Or I know Jozy had that tweet in October but that seems to have quelled but maybe he's frustrated with the tactics and not getting involved like he does for his club team. Can't see MB or Omar saying these things either...I know Lalas HAS to be one of em for sure though...dude hates Klinsmann
 
LyonBC1 said:
Now Bruce Arena had to chime in with his ignorant thoughts: “Players on the national team should be — and this is my own feeling — they should be Americans,” Arena told ESPN the Magazine’s Doug McIntyre. “If they’re all born in other countries, I don’t think we can say we are making progress.”

I kind of see his point but at the same time, many nations from around the world have implemented and even expedited citizenship procedures to cap people who have much lower connections to their countries than the German Americans to the US....I hate this kind of talk and one of the things that bothered me was the comments in that SN piece about the GErmans separating themselves from the team. I know its a small sample obviously but in those USMNT videos they always show them hanging out with Mo Edu, Jozy, etc. the other black players on our team. I'm not shocked that the Mex-Americans hang out more with players ethnically like them or the German-Americans do the same, people tend to do that in general doesn't mean they don't like other ethnicities.

The tactical stuff IS troubling but I feel like people knew of that when Klinsy was in charge of the German NT and Bayern, he's more of a motivational guy it seems (although those anonymous quotes kinda just show him saying "express yourselves guys") :lol Than a tactical genius...thats what Loew was for him in Germany and we don't have that guy here....if we can beat Costa Rica and unlikely but maybe win or draw at Azteca this will be water under the bridge.

I really wonder who these quotes could be from though if its not Timmy or Boca, probably not a guy like Cherundolo or any of the Ger-Americans obviously :lol but maybe some fringe guys who feel slighted that the newish guys are taking their places? Or I know Jozy had that tweet in October but that seems to have quelled but maybe he's frustrated with the tactics and not getting involved like he does for his club team. Can't see MB or Omar saying these things either...I know Lalas HAS to be one of em for sure though...dude hates Klinsmann
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Blah what Bruce said is ******ed. what happens when USMNT becomes abundant with Mexican-American players ( which will happen soon). will there be attacks against them. all this divisive talk is silly
 
CryingFreemancoa said:
LyonBC1 said:
Now Bruce Arena had to chime in with his ignorant thoughts: “Players on the national team should be — and this is my own feeling — they should be Americans,” Arena told ESPN the Magazine’s Doug McIntyre. “If they’re all born in other countries, I don’t think we can say we are making progress.”

I kind of see his point but at the same time, many nations from around the world have implemented and even expedited citizenship procedures to cap people who have much lower connections to their countries than the German Americans to the US....I hate this kind of talk and one of the things that bothered me was the comments in that SN piece about the GErmans separating themselves from the team. I know its a small sample obviously but in those USMNT videos they always show them hanging out with Mo Edu, Jozy, etc. the other black players on our team. I'm not shocked that the Mex-Americans hang out more with players ethnically like them or the German-Americans do the same, people tend to do that in general doesn't mean they don't like other ethnicities.

The tactical stuff IS troubling but I feel like people knew of that when Klinsy was in charge of the German NT and Bayern, he's more of a motivational guy it seems (although those anonymous quotes kinda just show him saying "express yourselves guys") :lol Than a tactical genius...thats what Loew was for him in Germany and we don't have that guy here....if we can beat Costa Rica and unlikely but maybe win or draw at Azteca this will be water under the bridge.

I really wonder who these quotes could be from though if its not Timmy or Boca, probably not a guy like Cherundolo or any of the Ger-Americans obviously :lol but maybe some fringe guys who feel slighted that the newish guys are taking their places? Or I know Jozy had that tweet in October but that seems to have quelled but maybe he's frustrated with the tactics and not getting involved like he does for his club team. Can't see MB or Omar saying these things either...I know Lalas HAS to be one of em for sure though...dude hates Klinsmann
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Blah what Bruce said is ******ed. what happens when USMNT becomes abundant with Mexican-American players ( which will happen soon). will there be attacks against them. all this divisive talk is silly
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Exactly :{ These guys are giving their all for the country on the field....so sick of hearing ignorant comments such as this this.
 
Demps said:
nope because those mexican americans are actually born here.
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Spare me. while many are born here there will DEFINITELY be an outcry when the US team is filled with Mexican American players.

You will see players & media complaining about all this Mexico lite team

But regardless GO USA!!!
 
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