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Our boys lookin' b. I'm excited
Pulisic and Nagbe tho
Pulisic and Nagbe tho
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Anyone have any idea what lineup Jürgen Klinsmann will put out vs Colombia. Dempsey looks like he's on the decline. I really hope nagbe, pulisic, Fabian Johnson and wood all start againts Colombia.
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Just watched the game after recording it.
If Zardes first touch was better
If Pulisic doesn't start he should be the first off the bench
If Nagbe starts....NO NAGBE MUST START I DON'T CARE I DON'T CARE, have Bradley and Jones behind him.
If Zardes first touch was better
If Pulisic doesn't start he should be the first off the bench
If Nagbe starts....NO NAGBE MUST START I DON'T CARE I DON'T CARE, have Bradley and Jones behind him.
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I could see Nagbe and/or Pulisic starting in the 2nd game.
No way Jürgen goes with anything but an ultra conservative line up vs Colombia, sadly
No way Jürgen goes with anything but an ultra conservative line up vs Colombia, sadly
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I think Clint still has the skill to perform on the International level.
Bold Prediction - we beat Colombia 2-1
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^ agreed on Clint
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This is the most talented and by far the deepest U.S. team I've ever seen.
Jones, Bradley and Bedoya give us massive nut sack in central midfield while Wood and Zardes offer enough with their movement and athleticism on the outside to provide us with more than a respectable attack going forward from what's really more of a grinding type XI in terms of style.
Then you have Pulisic and Nagbe off the bench. Have fun dealing with that after you've been banging it out with Jermaine Jones for 70+ minutes.
I'm sure many outlooks are all doom and gloom, how are our guys going to compete against the likes of Colombia, + the other heavyweights if it comes to it, etc but we should really be proud of the caliber of player on this team.
Looking forward to being in attendance on Friday, really can't say I'll be surprised if we pull out a win.
Jones, Bradley and Bedoya give us massive nut sack in central midfield while Wood and Zardes offer enough with their movement and athleticism on the outside to provide us with more than a respectable attack going forward from what's really more of a grinding type XI in terms of style.
Then you have Pulisic and Nagbe off the bench. Have fun dealing with that after you've been banging it out with Jermaine Jones for 70+ minutes.
I'm sure many outlooks are all doom and gloom, how are our guys going to compete against the likes of Colombia, + the other heavyweights if it comes to it, etc but we should really be proud of the caliber of player on this team.
Looking forward to being in attendance on Friday, really can't say I'll be surprised if we pull out a win.
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And to think so many people were calling for Klinsmans head a couple years ago...
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The proof is in the pudding. I know this team can beat Colombia. They are good, but not world beaters like Brazil or Argentina. If we can make it to the finals, I will be happy
My only thing is, imagine if some players actually lived up to the hype. Rankin or Jerome. Hell where is Joseph Gyau???
Another guy I have not heard of recently is the dude that played in Norway. Gatt??? Anyone knows where he plays at??
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Lulz @
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's using a "massive nutsack" reference when talking about midfield depth. 
Given the way he looks once he hits the pitch, I think Nagbe is worthy of starting.
US vs Bolivia highlights from US Soccer's YT site.
Some vignettes prior to the match. Man, I really love the new crest.
northoaklandfc
's using a "massive nutsack" reference when talking about midfield depth. Given the way he looks once he hits the pitch, I think Nagbe is worthy of starting.
US vs Bolivia highlights from US Soccer's YT site.
Some vignettes prior to the match. Man, I really love the new crest.
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Gyau and Gatt are both rehabbing knee injuries man
I like what Gyau showed in his limited time being healthy
I like what Gyau showed in his limited time being healthy
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Renkin, Gatt, and Gyua have all been derailed by potentially career ending knee injuries.
Renkin has been permanently set back, he's just not the same player he was. I think he's down in the USL.
Gatt is still with Molde in Norway but hasn't played since summer 2013 when he shredded his knee. Missed all of 2013 and then missed all of 2014 after there were complications and he had to have a second operation. He made a brief return last spring and was subbed off after 10 min, ended up having to have a third knee operation and missed all of 2015/16. He's still rehabbing with Molde but I'm fearful he's done.
Gyau I'm actually optimistic about. He had complications with his knee issues but it was never as serious as the injuries Gatt suffered and it sounds like Dortmund has deliberately taken it very very slow. The showed a lot of faith reupping his contact. He should be ready to go with the reserves by the time camp starts in a few weeks.
Gyau's actually looking phenomenal physically and post a ton of training related stuff on IG/snap chat. Definitely a fun dude to follow in general.
Shout to the cyclops aka Terrance Boyd too hell be back by preseason.
Renkin has been permanently set back, he's just not the same player he was. I think he's down in the USL.
Gatt is still with Molde in Norway but hasn't played since summer 2013 when he shredded his knee. Missed all of 2013 and then missed all of 2014 after there were complications and he had to have a second operation. He made a brief return last spring and was subbed off after 10 min, ended up having to have a third knee operation and missed all of 2015/16. He's still rehabbing with Molde but I'm fearful he's done.
Gyau I'm actually optimistic about. He had complications with his knee issues but it was never as serious as the injuries Gatt suffered and it sounds like Dortmund has deliberately taken it very very slow. The showed a lot of faith reupping his contact. He should be ready to go with the reserves by the time camp starts in a few weeks.
Gyau's actually looking phenomenal physically and post a ton of training related stuff on IG/snap chat. Definitely a fun dude to follow in general.
Shout to the cyclops aka Terrance Boyd too hell be back by preseason.
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I watched Saint Louis FC take on Sac Republic like a month or two ago and Renken is definitely on that roster... Don't think he played that night tho
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Dem USA boyz hangin with the west coast champs... Gonna run over the cavs too..
Cameron, Harrison Barnes, Bedoya, & Deuce.
Cameron, Harrison Barnes, Bedoya, & Deuce.
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You haven't hopped on this wave yet fam? You know you get a pass right?
All the Bay area "fans" who jumped ship and ran to cop Vlade Divac and JWill jerseys in the early 2001's, what would we look like not raising the gates for you bro?
All the Bay area "fans" who jumped ship and ran to cop Vlade Divac and JWill jerseys in the early 2001's, what would we look like not raising the gates for you bro?
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My mom's was right patience is a virtue, the future is looking bright guys.
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^^^ this is what happens when you have some talent. I have been the biggest supporter of Klinsy, but I do scratch my head at some of the lineups and the people he brings in. A guy like Wondo for example. Dude should never put a NT jersey. He's great at the Club level, but in this level he's trash. He brought Timmy chandler?? Dudes has done nothing at the club level, yet he brings him in. Thank god he picked up a knock, but still those are my concerns with Klinsy.
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I've consistently supported Klinsmann through think & thin. Yes, some of his line-ups have been highly questionable especially when he plays guys out of position which I think has hamstrung the team.
I disagree with the Chandler & the Wondo assessment. Timmy has been a rock for Frankfurt at right back. He has also played well at times for the US but I will agree he hasn't been consistent & sometimes poor. Klinsmann kept playing him at left back if I remember & he doesn't play well there & it showed. He also played a lot while nursing injuries or coming off injuries.
As for Wondo, he's been a very serviceable striker especially for someone who appears sparingly over the years (prior to recent times). He has to have like 10-13 goals for 25-30 caps or so. He hasn't had the best service during the times he's appeared for the US & has had to score those poaching type of goals.
I disagree with the Chandler & the Wondo assessment. Timmy has been a rock for Frankfurt at right back. He has also played well at times for the US but I will agree he hasn't been consistent & sometimes poor. Klinsmann kept playing him at left back if I remember & he doesn't play well there & it showed. He also played a lot while nursing injuries or coming off injuries.
As for Wondo, he's been a very serviceable striker especially for someone who appears sparingly over the years (prior to recent times). He has to have like 10-13 goals for 25-30 caps or so. He hasn't had the best service during the times he's appeared for the US & has had to score those poaching type of goals.
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I do not correlate the US decent looking future with Klinsmann tbh
our strange lineups, mispositioning of players, head scratching lineups, and essentially not playing up to this groups full potential (a group that many of us are saying is the most talented US group EVER) are all still a direct results of Klinsmann.
in the latest MLS Soccer.com podcast, Matthew Doyle said that players have been telling him everyday they've played different positions everyday in camp and have yet to receive any tactical instructions yet........ so reality checks like that is what quickly clouds what little optimism I may have with Klinsmann.
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i think you can still support Jurgen but also say the jury is still out. the fact of the matter is we need REAL results. meaningful results. not some nice wins here and there. more consistency. i haven't written him off yet. the talent that's developed has been nice but let's see how he uses it. he can't keep experimenting forever. we've got to get guys into roles where they can expect to be so they can develop some sense of familiarity with the role alongside some type of playing style.
that said, man Russia in '18 has me excited
that said, man Russia in '18 has me excited
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I've lost patience with JK and the development process to be 100% honest with y'all. We have the Copa America at home, something that might never happen again, and we are 9th favorites to win the title. We aren't even favored to get out of our group. I thought JK was brought in for tournaments like this?
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https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2016/jun/01/us-soccer-diversity-problem-world-football
This topic seems to come up every time the U.S is going into a tournament and its a pretty funny coincidence considering we where all just discussing this being the best talent pool we've ever seen.
I haven't finished reading it yet but once I do i'll give my thoughts even though I like most of us have seen this topic before and already have some type of opinion about it. I just decided to share this anyway now.
My current stance in general is the bigger the talent pool the better returns you get, making the talent pool more accessible will only make U.S soccer better and improvements can be made in increasing the talent pool.
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To kind of coincide with the post by
Armada
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Very interesting story about the rise of Uruguay under the stewardship of manager Oscar Tabarez...
http://www.espnfc.us/copa-america/8...ed-uruguay-reemerge-as-a-south-american-power
I loved this part of the post -
The bottom line isn't necessarily about money, it's about the investment in youth development (coaching/teaching). All you need is a very grass roots highly organized approach that include proper coaching. No more dads coaching, the US needs a clear certification process like they have in Europe where you have to earn coaching badges before you take on a position in club/travel soccer.
I hate that whole argument about the better youth athletes going to football & basketball. It's not about having the biggest, fastest, strongest players. Thats a very English approach & look how their national team has evolved & the terrible quality of play in the prem.
Like another NTer posted in the other footy thread.
http://www.espnfc.com/major-league-...-mls-has-too-much-running-and-too-little-play
Some quotes from what Pirlo said in the link above.
At my son's level I see horribly coached sides that win lots of games & tournaments. The most glaring thing I see immediately when watching teams are players not knowing their positioning & what their position requires. I've seen so many games were there is no midfield presence, or someone isn't wide like they should be, or fullbacks not running up & down the flanks like they should.
I hate hate hate seeing kick ball meaning seeing kids kick the ball in the air to lob above players & then blips to a section of the field where their team mate isn't occupying. And these are all teams that again are winning games, leagues, & tournaments.
Maybe our man,
northoaklandfc
sees better at his higher level... 
A lot of Jurgen's problems are due to the fact that we don't have the high level of football talent that other countries do. We like to think we do, but we just don't. Klinsmann makes some of the odd a** choices because he's trying to find solutions because of the lack of talent.
Even if we began reinventing the youth system like it should be, we're still at least a lifetime away from being able to truly compete for a World Cup win but we're not making those inroads to that yet.
Armada
. Very interesting story about the rise of Uruguay under the stewardship of manager Oscar Tabarez...
http://www.espnfc.us/copa-america/8...ed-uruguay-reemerge-as-a-south-american-power
I loved this part of the post -
The bottom line isn't necessarily about money, it's about the investment in youth development (coaching/teaching). All you need is a very grass roots highly organized approach that include proper coaching. No more dads coaching, the US needs a clear certification process like they have in Europe where you have to earn coaching badges before you take on a position in club/travel soccer.
I hate that whole argument about the better youth athletes going to football & basketball. It's not about having the biggest, fastest, strongest players. Thats a very English approach & look how their national team has evolved & the terrible quality of play in the prem.
Like another NTer posted in the other footy thread.
http://www.espnfc.com/major-league-...-mls-has-too-much-running-and-too-little-play
Some quotes from what Pirlo said in the link above.
At my son's level I see horribly coached sides that win lots of games & tournaments. The most glaring thing I see immediately when watching teams are players not knowing their positioning & what their position requires. I've seen so many games were there is no midfield presence, or someone isn't wide like they should be, or fullbacks not running up & down the flanks like they should.
I hate hate hate seeing kick ball meaning seeing kids kick the ball in the air to lob above players & then blips to a section of the field where their team mate isn't occupying. And these are all teams that again are winning games, leagues, & tournaments.
Maybe our man,
northoaklandfc
sees better at his higher level... A lot of Jurgen's problems are due to the fact that we don't have the high level of football talent that other countries do. We like to think we do, but we just don't. Klinsmann makes some of the odd a** choices because he's trying to find solutions because of the lack of talent.
Even if we began reinventing the youth system like it should be, we're still at least a lifetime away from being able to truly compete for a World Cup win but we're not making those inroads to that yet.
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