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There are certain dudes in here is love to meet in real life.
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This ***** gonna fight
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There are certain dudes in here is love to meet in real life.
I think you're all arguing semantics to support your different stances.We all must have VASTLY different definitions of "cultural leader"![]()
Or of "leader". Because doing what for the most part Pharrell did before you, which NO ONE in here has disagreed with, doesn't make you a leader...
In fact.....
If you said "trendsetter" and left it at that, you probably wouldn't even get much argument from me.
Look at the difference between the way Jay conducts interviews and the way Kanye does. And you'll see some of the characteristics that define a leader.And once again, it all comes down to clothes.....This. I mean, I think _'s have gone too far with the female tight jeans and other stuff but kanye is indeed... a cultural leader.![]()
It just hurts some dudes to give him that type of credit.
Ye's faith in himself is literally awe inspiring. Really truly shows you the power behind geniuney believing in yourself in what is that you do.
This man believes in himself so much that it projects to the rest of the entire world and it reciprocates back to him. Even if what he believes in himself isn't true.
That's the most important part of the interview but ****** would rather discuss weather he is "cultural leader" and whatever the hell else they are talking about.
lmao nah chill b.There are certain dudes in here is love to meet in real life.![]()
This ***** gonna fight
trollingspecifically hiphop, but even amongst any other genre's Ye has always been considered one of the best in today's world.
at the end of the day, just ask yourself how many trends and things in society can be traced back to Ye . . .[/CENTER]
don't even know what you are trying to get at lolat the end of the day, just ask yourself how many trends and things in society can be traced back to Ye . . .[/CENTER]
.....I guess these don't count?
I'm a huge Ye fan/stan, but it seems like Ye talks out his *** most of the time.![]()
We all must have VASTLY different definitions of "cultural leader"
Or of "leader". Because doing what for the most part Pharrell did before you, which NO ONE in here has disagreed with, doesn't make you a leader...
In fact.....
If you said "trendsetter" and left it at that, you probably wouldn't even get much argument from me.
Look at the difference between the way Jay conducts interviews and the way Kanye does. And you'll see some of the characteristics that define a leader.
And once again, it all comes down to clothes.....
I don't disagree that this was also part of his effect, but I do disagree that's all he did. He also made it ok to be more fashionable and less gangster. He made a kid in a dope pair of sneakers more appealing to his peers than a kid with a pistol.Only thing kanye did was lower the bar so that looking different over shadowed the message and content . Fashionable more important than lyrical . A pair of shoes outweighed a dope sixteen
What is most inspirational about Kanye IMO is how vulnerable of a human being he is.
People hear the word "vulnerable" and they think of the term, exposing oneself, being weak. Men are raised to withold their emotions, to not show weakness, and ignore any hit of introspection. This couldn't be anymore true than in Hip Hop in the 90's.
To me, being vulnerable isn't about being weak, Kanye taught me that being vulnerable is a form of power, a deep and subtle form of power. A man who makes himself vulnerable is saying to the world "I don't care what you think of me, this is who I am and I refuse to be anyone else."He's saying he's not needy, and he isn't validated by society's approval. Time and time again Kanye has insulted the public and made a "fool" out of himself on live television, the president even called him a jackass. Being vulnerable means putting yourself in a position where you can get rejected, saying a joke that may not be funny, asserting an opinion that may offend others, requiring you to stick your neck out on the line emotionally in some way. This is what Kanye does best, and what nobody else in his lane has done as well as him. Kanye is the reason why Drake could release an album today about being emotional and wanting to save women, not because it's cool to do so (because it's actually the opposite) but because it's really who Drake is.
Yeah there were backpackers before Kanye. But there were always kids who thought backpackers were cool. There was a lane for backpackers, and a crowd that followed them because it was cool. There was nothing "cool" about Kanye's interview with Zane, 99% of the population would look at that and think "what a douuuche." I don't agree with 99% of what Kanye is even saying in that interview, but I RESPECT and ADMIRE the fact that he does not care what I or you think and is leaving himself totally exposed for the world to criticize him for the sake of being true to himself. No other artist in hip hop has been vulnerable like that.
Illphillip you are so caught up in who did what first, who started this, who started that, it isn't the point here.
We all must have VASTLY different definitions of "cultural leader"![]()
Or of "leader". Because doing what for the most part Pharrell did before you, which NO ONE in here has disagreed with, doesn't make you a leader...
In fact.....
If you said "trendsetter" and left it at that, you probably wouldn't even get much argument from me.
Look at the difference between the way Jay conducts interviews and the way Kanye does. And you'll see some of the characteristics that define a leader.
And once again, it all comes down to clothes.....
I don't understand how Pharrell is getting brought into this discussion? With all do respect, Pharrell is not in anyway shape or form close to as big as an influence as Kanye is sonically, culturally, at all. And if you want to talk sonically, people need to stop talking about Pharrell as an individual, and need to reference the Neptunes, Chad deserves just as much credit. But IMO, what Kanye has accomplished is levels above what either Pharrell or Chad has done and it's not even close.
If you want to talk culturally, Pharrell was never the guy to break boundaries and redefine things. He came into the industry as an "alternative" artist. He was never a pure hip hop artist. He was a co-producer with a partner who was musically gifted (Chad) who sang in a rock band (N*E*R*D.) When he came out in the late 90's and early 2000's, his style was no different than Fred Durst style, so just because he's black he becomes a trendsetter? Pharrell isn't the first black artist to dress like Fred Durst or embrace the skate culture. I don't see anything culturally groundbreaking there.
When I think of cultural trendsetters I think of Kanye. His style, his VULNERABILITY. Kanye was the first artist brave enough to be 100% vulnerable. There would be no DRAKE if there wasn't a Kanye. When I think of cultural trendsetters, another person I think of is Cam. Cam'ron and that whole dipset movement redefined the way people dressed and acted. That whole "swag" movement today, these kids idolized Cam and Cam was really one of the first to bring that whole attitude to the commercial mainstream.
the problem with that argument is you can keep going back and say "if there was no x, there would be no y"
True, so in that case, if these things root back so far, what is Kanye doing that we haven't already seen?
Kanye scored Mission Impossible 3 four years before Pharrell did Despicable Me. I think they only ended up using 2 or so of the songs Ye did for them on the soundtrack, but one of them was the new theme for the movie.What? What? Bruh... What?I don't understand how Pharrell is getting brought into this discussion? With all do respect, Pharrell is not in anyway shape or form close to as big as an influence as Kanye is sonically, culturally, at all. And if you want to talk sonically, people need to stop talking about Pharrell as an individual, and need to reference the Neptunes, Chad deserves just as much credit. But IMO, what Kanye has accomplished is levels above what either Pharrell or Chad has done and it's not even close.We all must have VASTLY different definitions of "cultural leader"![]()
Or of "leader". Because doing what for the most part Pharrell did before you, which NO ONE in here has disagreed with, doesn't make you a leader...
In fact.....
If you said "trendsetter" and left it at that, you probably wouldn't even get much argument from me.
Look at the difference between the way Jay conducts interviews and the way Kanye does. And you'll see some of the characteristics that define a leader.
And once again, it all comes down to clothes.....
If you want to talk culturally, Pharrell was never the guy to break boundaries and redefine things. He came into the industry as an "alternative" artist. He was never a pure hip hop artist. He was a co-producer with a partner who was musically gifted (Chad) who sang in a rock band (N*E*R*D.) When he came out in the late 90's and early 2000's, his style was no different than Fred Durst style, so just because he's black he becomes a trendsetter? Pharrell isn't the first black artist to dress like Fred Durst or embrace the skate culture. I don't see anything culturally groundbreaking there.
When I think of cultural trendsetters I think of Kanye. His style, his VULNERABILITY. Kanye was the first artist brave enough to be 100% vulnerable. There would be no DRAKE if there wasn't a Kanye. When I think of cultural trendsetters, another person I think of is Cam. Cam'ron and that whole dipset movement redefined the way people dressed and acted. That whole "swag" movement today, these kids idolized Cam and Cam was really one of the first to bring that whole attitude to the commercial mainstream.
Pharrell was Kanye BEFORE Kanye. Just cause he wasn't running around screaming "Look at me, I'm doing something" doesn't mean he wasn't doing it. The dude was the backbone of Justin Timberlake, Brittiney Spears, Nelly, Various hip hop acts, movie scores, etc. FOR YEARS...
The hell you talking about. Pharrell has done **** Kanye STILL hasn't done. Holla at me when Kanye makes furniture. Does an entire movie score. Come back when Kanye has a full clothing line. Because its something he's crying over so badly right now. Kanye wants to "push" so many boundaries right now, when people forget that Pharrell had his own sneakers and clothing line years ago. With no huge corporate backing. But Kanye is begging for it. Son was basically on his knee's in the interview, "please someone give me money to make clothes!"
If there was no Pharrell, there would be no Kanye. Straight up. Deny all you want.
Being a real artist isn't about crying and wearing your vulnerability on your sleeve at all times.
Kanye is cool. But some people try to make him more than what he is. He's a rapper who has a great team to bounce ideas off of, who can dress really well, and wants to start his own clothing line. Name 1 thing son has done outside of music that Pharrell, Swizz Beatz, Just Blaze, or someone else hasn't done. He's just the most popular right now...
This is what happens when ****** take **** outside of music![]()
And then there's this point: the fact that both Drake and 40 have admitted they got their sound from Kanye and 808s.it's all about influence, son...you can't try to discredit Ye by saying he wouldn't be doing what he's doing if it weren't for Pharrell and not mention that ****** like Drake wouldn't be doing what they're doing if it wasn't for Ye...True, so in that case, if these things root back so far, what is Kanye doing that we haven't already seen?
Ye has cultural impact, i don't even know how you cats can argue against it...