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P hats and S hats are still lowkey in my opinion. Unless you know your preme or palace, most people still ask what it stands for.Well I feel the hats are already at that level , seriously though probably not. I like palace a lot, but I feel the logo and many of their pieces is too much. I can wear a lot of my Supreme stuff at work, not so much with Palace. I guess I think it lacks that timeless quality.