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The Lakers would have won less than 10 games either of the last 3 seasons without him.
Didn't the Lakers have a better winning percentage when Kobe didn't play in 04-05?
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The Lakers would have won less than 10 games either of the last 3 seasons without him.
Didn't the Lakers have a better winning percentage when Kobe didn't play in 04-05?
Originally Posted by SenorRoboto2k5
The "take him out of the equation" argument makes absolutely no sense to me... I don't see why people use it to make their points.
Why would anyone care how valuable a player is to a lottery team? To a team that barely makes it to the playoffs in the 7-8 seed?
Nobody. Amazing players on bad teams are pretty irrelevant. They may be valuable to them, but what does that value really mean if the team went nowhere?
Kobe the past few years has proved this. The Lakers were never a factor. Kobe was clearly the best individual player in the league... but he was the best individual player in the league as a part of a mediocre team.
The Lakers would have won less than 10 games either of the last 3 seasons without him. Same situation you're thinking of. Who really cares?
Not to mention, that's just some hypothesis, not reality.
So, why would anybody consider Lebron for MVP if his triple-doubles and amazing individual play got the Cavs a mediocre record? It obviously didn't do anything team-wise. And the NBA is made up of 30 teams... Lebron is just one player.
If the Cavs turn it around, he definitely will be considered though.
belle155 wrote:
EDIT: You mean little boo-boos like Oregons QB? Or boo-boos like Greg Odens legs? low blow, sorry had to do it
But honestly, the Cavs are one of the five worst teams in the NBA without him.
i would take a healthy foye (or even telfair), mccants, brewer/gomes/green, smith, jefferson over gibson, brown (doesnt' matter which one),sasha, gooden, and iggy anyday.
Because the season is not over yet...
MVP = best player on the best regular season team....
Now if it was the best player in the league award it would be a total different argument.
Nice to know that the NBA judgement on the MVP is flawed. It should be the best player in the leauge that makes his team THAT much better. We all know thattheres Dirk, Duncan, Nash, etc, where without them the teams are not as succesful. But no team is in the Cavs situation. Without him, the cavs would be gettinga top 5 pick in the draft repeatedly. I think that how the NBA picks the MVP is flawed. But then again, its just my opinion
Originally Posted by nyk buc
houston is 0-3 without tmac this yr too and that team has YAO MING. now that's the definition of a true MVP.
Originally Posted by 531
Originally Posted by nyk buc
houston is 0-3 without tmac this yr too and that team has YAO MING. now that's the definition of a true MVP.
that doesn't mean a thing. yao ming is garbage. at 7'6, dude should be averaging 40+ ppg & 20 rpg.
houston is 0-3 without tmac this yr too and that team has YAO MING. now that's the definition of a true MVP.
tmac is that dude, but he'll never be an MVP. his only chance was back in orlando, he has a great supporting cast in Houston.Originally Posted by nyk buc
Originally Posted by 531
Originally Posted by nyk buc
houston is 0-3 without tmac this yr too and that team has YAO MING. now that's the definition of a true MVP.
that doesn't mean a thing. yao ming is garbage. at 7'6, dude should be averaging 40+ ppg & 20 rpg.
well i never said tmac should be MVP. but by the OP's original phrasing of how lebron should be MVP, then tmac is more deserving. and seeing how another all-star like yao struggling like crazy without him, then tmac is that dude.
Originally Posted by 531
Originally Posted by nyk buc
houston is 0-3 without tmac this yr too and that team has YAO MING. now that's the definition of a true MVP.
that doesn't mean a thing. yao ming is garbage. at 7'6, dude should be averaging 40+ ppg & 20 rpg.