Serious question, how are you 'okay' with this?

10 years is excessive but at what point do we excuse people because "theyre trying tp pay bills", like the dude who "politely robbed" that store owner for the same reason
 
Originally Posted by Dirtylicious

Originally Posted by 4wrestling

Originally Posted by JIM SHADY2003

This is heart breaking for the kids they'll suffer more then mom in the long run, and that sentence was way harsh. But moms gotta get her $&*! together , she had more pot confiscated from her jacket at the courthouse when she was sentenced (she plead guilty to that charge and got two years concurrent)... still 10 years is way overboard considering petifiles serve less time .

I feel bad for the children as well, and from accounts, I know going into the foster system is not a good situation (assuming they don't get placed with other family members).  But let's face it, from the article, this doesn't sound like a fit mother.  She is selling drugs openly in front of her children and even involving them in the deals by having them make change.  I hope for the best for these kids, and maybe they will be better off without her.
.... indeed

as for sentencing
Both Spottedcrow and Starr were arrested and offered plea deals of two years in prison. But because neither had ever been convicted of a crime and with such a minimal amount of marijuana, they decided to roll the dice and enter a guilty plea before a judge with no prior sentencing agreement.

Starr was hit with a 30-year suspended sentence with no incarceration, but five years of drug and alcohol assessments. Meanwhile, Spottedcrow was sentenced to 10 years for distribution and two years for possession. Both sentences are to run concurrently and Spottedcrow will not be up for parole until 2014.
10 yrs is excessive in my book....but they took the chance.
this
 
Originally Posted by Dirtylicious

Originally Posted by 4wrestling

Originally Posted by JIM SHADY2003

This is heart breaking for the kids they'll suffer more then mom in the long run, and that sentence was way harsh. But moms gotta get her $&*! together , she had more pot confiscated from her jacket at the courthouse when she was sentenced (she plead guilty to that charge and got two years concurrent)... still 10 years is way overboard considering petifiles serve less time .

I feel bad for the children as well, and from accounts, I know going into the foster system is not a good situation (assuming they don't get placed with other family members).  But let's face it, from the article, this doesn't sound like a fit mother.  She is selling drugs openly in front of her children and even involving them in the deals by having them make change.  I hope for the best for these kids, and maybe they will be better off without her.
.... indeed

as for sentencing
Both Spottedcrow and Starr were arrested and offered plea deals of two years in prison. But because neither had ever been convicted of a crime and with such a minimal amount of marijuana, they decided to roll the dice and enter a guilty plea before a judge with no prior sentencing agreement.

Starr was hit with a 30-year suspended sentence with no incarceration, but five years of drug and alcohol assessments. Meanwhile, Spottedcrow was sentenced to 10 years for distribution and two years for possession. Both sentences are to run concurrently and Spottedcrow will not be up for parole until 2014.
10 yrs is excessive in my book....but they took the chance.
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Originally Posted by moneymike88

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I'm guessing they want us to revolt. I'm down
 
They just need to decriminalize it and get it over with. Of course, bills will still need to be paid so the dealers will probably move onto other drugs to sell.
 
They just need to decriminalize it and get it over with. Of course, bills will still need to be paid so the dealers will probably move onto other drugs to sell.
 
Horrible.
Obviously the Justice System is not fair and balance here.  You got millionaires like Lindsey Lohan driving while on cocaine only getting a few days in jail... WHY?  Because she has high price attorneys who hustle the system and pimp these District Attorneys.  

Meanwhile the poor are provided public defenders who can't do anything right which was obviously the case here.  

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Horrible.
Obviously the Justice System is not fair and balance here.  You got millionaires like Lindsey Lohan driving while on cocaine only getting a few days in jail... WHY?  Because she has high price attorneys who hustle the system and pimp these District Attorneys.  

Meanwhile the poor are provided public defenders who can't do anything right which was obviously the case here.  

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Originally Posted by Slim

some white people on here love acting oblivious and pretending that racial discrimination doesn't exist. everyone in here knows the outcome would have been dramatically different, had this lady been a suburban soccer mom. but hey, that's life.

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@ offering two year plea deals. nobody in their right mind would take a two year plea for $31 in marijuana sales for a first offender. the lady's only fault is putting her faith in the American justice system, thinking they were maybe going to look out for the welfare of her and her children.

y'all are talking about she wasn't a "fit mother." why? because she sold two bags of weed to help with the bills? everything mentioned in that article is the exact same thing that takes place in every hood across America and exactly what i was raised around.

the fact that she got 10 years with NO PRIOR CONVICTIONS is absurd. race is not a coincidence in this case. now these kids will see their mother behind a glass for at least the next 5-7 years of their life. the Judge has effectively destroyed any family structure that family once had and those kids are most likely going to end up in the system as well. congratulations.
And that makes it ok?

And I'm not oblivious to race discrimination.  Maybe a white woman wouldn't have received this sentence.  But maybe she would have.  You don't know.  Regardless, I don't feel bad for any adult who goes to jail for selling drugs, especially when they put their children in harms way.
 
Originally Posted by Slim

some white people on here love acting oblivious and pretending that racial discrimination doesn't exist. everyone in here knows the outcome would have been dramatically different, had this lady been a suburban soccer mom. but hey, that's life.

laugh.gif
@ offering two year plea deals. nobody in their right mind would take a two year plea for $31 in marijuana sales for a first offender. the lady's only fault is putting her faith in the American justice system, thinking they were maybe going to look out for the welfare of her and her children.

y'all are talking about she wasn't a "fit mother." why? because she sold two bags of weed to help with the bills? everything mentioned in that article is the exact same thing that takes place in every hood across America and exactly what i was raised around.

the fact that she got 10 years with NO PRIOR CONVICTIONS is absurd. race is not a coincidence in this case. now these kids will see their mother behind a glass for at least the next 5-7 years of their life. the Judge has effectively destroyed any family structure that family once had and those kids are most likely going to end up in the system as well. congratulations.
And that makes it ok?

And I'm not oblivious to race discrimination.  Maybe a white woman wouldn't have received this sentence.  But maybe she would have.  You don't know.  Regardless, I don't feel bad for any adult who goes to jail for selling drugs, especially when they put their children in harms way.
 
Originally Posted by thytkerjobs

Originally Posted by Dirtylicious

Originally Posted by 4wrestling

Originally Posted by JIM SHADY2003

This is heart breaking for the kids they'll suffer more then mom in the long run, and that sentence was way harsh. But moms gotta get her $&*! together , she had more pot confiscated from her jacket at the courthouse when she was sentenced (she plead guilty to that charge and got two years concurrent)... still 10 years is way overboard considering petifiles serve less time .

I feel bad for the children as well, and from accounts, I know going into the foster system is not a good situation (assuming they don't get placed with other family members).  But let's face it, from the article, this doesn't sound like a fit mother.  She is selling drugs openly in front of her children and even involving them in the deals by having them make change.  I hope for the best for these kids, and maybe they will be better off without her.
.... indeed

as for sentencing
Both Spottedcrow and Starr were arrested and offered plea deals of two years in prison. But because neither had ever been convicted of a crime and with such a minimal amount of marijuana, they decided to roll the dice and enter a guilty plea before a judge with no prior sentencing agreement.

Starr was hit with a 30-year suspended sentence with no incarceration, but five years of drug and alcohol assessments. Meanwhile, Spottedcrow was sentenced to 10 years for distribution and two years for possession. Both sentences are to run concurrently and Spottedcrow will not be up for parole until 2014.
10 yrs is excessive in my book....but they took the chance.
this
 
Originally Posted by thytkerjobs

Originally Posted by Dirtylicious

Originally Posted by 4wrestling

Originally Posted by JIM SHADY2003

This is heart breaking for the kids they'll suffer more then mom in the long run, and that sentence was way harsh. But moms gotta get her $&*! together , she had more pot confiscated from her jacket at the courthouse when she was sentenced (she plead guilty to that charge and got two years concurrent)... still 10 years is way overboard considering petifiles serve less time .

I feel bad for the children as well, and from accounts, I know going into the foster system is not a good situation (assuming they don't get placed with other family members).  But let's face it, from the article, this doesn't sound like a fit mother.  She is selling drugs openly in front of her children and even involving them in the deals by having them make change.  I hope for the best for these kids, and maybe they will be better off without her.
.... indeed

as for sentencing
Both Spottedcrow and Starr were arrested and offered plea deals of two years in prison. But because neither had ever been convicted of a crime and with such a minimal amount of marijuana, they decided to roll the dice and enter a guilty plea before a judge with no prior sentencing agreement.

Starr was hit with a 30-year suspended sentence with no incarceration, but five years of drug and alcohol assessments. Meanwhile, Spottedcrow was sentenced to 10 years for distribution and two years for possession. Both sentences are to run concurrently and Spottedcrow will not be up for parole until 2014.
10 yrs is excessive in my book....but they took the chance.
this
 
Originally Posted by 4wrestling

Originally Posted by Slim

some white people on here love acting oblivious and pretending that racial discrimination doesn't exist. everyone in here knows the outcome would have been dramatically different, had this lady been a suburban soccer mom. but hey, that's life.

laugh.gif
@ offering two year plea deals. nobody in their right mind would take a two year plea for $31 in marijuana sales for a first offender. the lady's only fault is putting her faith in the American justice system, thinking they were maybe going to look out for the welfare of her and her children.

y'all are talking about she wasn't a "fit mother." why? because she sold two bags of weed to help with the bills? everything mentioned in that article is the exact same thing that takes place in every hood across America and exactly what i was raised around.

the fact that she got 10 years with NO PRIOR CONVICTIONS is absurd. race is not a coincidence in this case. now these kids will see their mother behind a glass for at least the next 5-7 years of their life. the Judge has effectively destroyed any family structure that family once had and those kids are most likely going to end up in the system as well. congratulations.
And that makes it ok?

And I'm not oblivious to race discrimination.  Maybe a white woman wouldn't have received this sentence.  But maybe she would have.  You don't know.  Regardless, I don't feel bad for any adult who goes to jail for selling drugs, especially when they put their children in harms way.
IMO I think that's a pretty ignorant statement.  Anyone with any morales knows its not ok to sell drugs in front of children.  Who doesn't want their child to grow up drug/violence free?  Who doesn't want their children to have a loving 2 parent household, a house with a white picket fence, summer vacations, and a proper eduction? 
However FYI there are a few million Americans that live in poverty whom don't even have 3 meals a day.  Their children drink powder milk. They don't have a car, a job, a PS3, a pool, etc.. etc.. They live on food stamps, dog food, or whatever it takes to survive. Basically these people will do anything to take care of their family.  If selling drugs provides food on the table for her kids, why wouldn't someone in that position do it?  Because the kids may get harmed?  What is harming them more?  A drug sale that pays for heating or her kids growing up without their mother for a majority of their childhood?  
 
Originally Posted by 4wrestling

Originally Posted by Slim

some white people on here love acting oblivious and pretending that racial discrimination doesn't exist. everyone in here knows the outcome would have been dramatically different, had this lady been a suburban soccer mom. but hey, that's life.

laugh.gif
@ offering two year plea deals. nobody in their right mind would take a two year plea for $31 in marijuana sales for a first offender. the lady's only fault is putting her faith in the American justice system, thinking they were maybe going to look out for the welfare of her and her children.

y'all are talking about she wasn't a "fit mother." why? because she sold two bags of weed to help with the bills? everything mentioned in that article is the exact same thing that takes place in every hood across America and exactly what i was raised around.

the fact that she got 10 years with NO PRIOR CONVICTIONS is absurd. race is not a coincidence in this case. now these kids will see their mother behind a glass for at least the next 5-7 years of their life. the Judge has effectively destroyed any family structure that family once had and those kids are most likely going to end up in the system as well. congratulations.
And that makes it ok?

And I'm not oblivious to race discrimination.  Maybe a white woman wouldn't have received this sentence.  But maybe she would have.  You don't know.  Regardless, I don't feel bad for any adult who goes to jail for selling drugs, especially when they put their children in harms way.
IMO I think that's a pretty ignorant statement.  Anyone with any morales knows its not ok to sell drugs in front of children.  Who doesn't want their child to grow up drug/violence free?  Who doesn't want their children to have a loving 2 parent household, a house with a white picket fence, summer vacations, and a proper eduction? 
However FYI there are a few million Americans that live in poverty whom don't even have 3 meals a day.  Their children drink powder milk. They don't have a car, a job, a PS3, a pool, etc.. etc.. They live on food stamps, dog food, or whatever it takes to survive. Basically these people will do anything to take care of their family.  If selling drugs provides food on the table for her kids, why wouldn't someone in that position do it?  Because the kids may get harmed?  What is harming them more?  A drug sale that pays for heating or her kids growing up without their mother for a majority of their childhood?  
 
Originally Posted by SunDOOBIE

Horrible.
Obviously the Justice System is not fair and balance here.  You got millionaires like Lindsey Lohan driving while on cocaine only getting a few days in jail... WHY?  Because she has high price attorneys who hustle the system and pimp these District Attorneys.  

Meanwhile the poor are provided public defenders who can't do anything right which was obviously the case here.  

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agreed
 
Originally Posted by SunDOOBIE

Horrible.
Obviously the Justice System is not fair and balance here.  You got millionaires like Lindsey Lohan driving while on cocaine only getting a few days in jail... WHY?  Because she has high price attorneys who hustle the system and pimp these District Attorneys.  

Meanwhile the poor are provided public defenders who can't do anything right which was obviously the case here.  

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agreed
 
Originally Posted by SunDOOBIE

Originally Posted by 4wrestling

Originally Posted by Slim

some white people on here love acting oblivious and pretending that racial discrimination doesn't exist. everyone in here knows the outcome would have been dramatically different, had this lady been a suburban soccer mom. but hey, that's life.

laugh.gif
@ offering two year plea deals. nobody in their right mind would take a two year plea for $31 in marijuana sales for a first offender. the lady's only fault is putting her faith in the American justice system, thinking they were maybe going to look out for the welfare of her and her children.

y'all are talking about she wasn't a "fit mother." why? because she sold two bags of weed to help with the bills? everything mentioned in that article is the exact same thing that takes place in every hood across America and exactly what i was raised around.

the fact that she got 10 years with NO PRIOR CONVICTIONS is absurd. race is not a coincidence in this case. now these kids will see their mother behind a glass for at least the next 5-7 years of their life. the Judge has effectively destroyed any family structure that family once had and those kids are most likely going to end up in the system as well. congratulations.
And that makes it ok?

And I'm not oblivious to race discrimination.  Maybe a white woman wouldn't have received this sentence.  But maybe she would have.  You don't know.  Regardless, I don't feel bad for any adult who goes to jail for selling drugs, especially when they put their children in harms way.
IMO I think that's a pretty ignorant statement.  Anyone with any morales knows its not ok to sell drugs in front of children.  Who doesn't want their child to grow up drug/violence free?  Who doesn't want their children to have a loving 2 parent household, a house with a white picket fence, summer vacations, and a proper eduction? 
However FYI there are a few million Americans that live in poverty whom don't even have 3 meals a day.  Their children drink powder milk. They don't have a car, a job, a PS3, a pool, etc.. etc.. They live on food stamps, dog food, or whatever it takes to survive. Basically these people will do anything to take care of their family.  If selling drugs provides food on the table for her kids, why wouldn't someone in that position do it?  Because the kids may get harmed?  What is harming them more?  A drug sale that pays for heating or her kids growing up without their mother for a majority of their childhood?  
All that is well and good, but the lady should have at least hidden what she was doing from her children.  
Having your elementary-age kids run and get change for your hand-to-hands is extremely irresponsible.  Guaranteed that fact played a part in the length of the sentence.  
 
Originally Posted by SunDOOBIE

Originally Posted by 4wrestling

Originally Posted by Slim

some white people on here love acting oblivious and pretending that racial discrimination doesn't exist. everyone in here knows the outcome would have been dramatically different, had this lady been a suburban soccer mom. but hey, that's life.

laugh.gif
@ offering two year plea deals. nobody in their right mind would take a two year plea for $31 in marijuana sales for a first offender. the lady's only fault is putting her faith in the American justice system, thinking they were maybe going to look out for the welfare of her and her children.

y'all are talking about she wasn't a "fit mother." why? because she sold two bags of weed to help with the bills? everything mentioned in that article is the exact same thing that takes place in every hood across America and exactly what i was raised around.

the fact that she got 10 years with NO PRIOR CONVICTIONS is absurd. race is not a coincidence in this case. now these kids will see their mother behind a glass for at least the next 5-7 years of their life. the Judge has effectively destroyed any family structure that family once had and those kids are most likely going to end up in the system as well. congratulations.
And that makes it ok?

And I'm not oblivious to race discrimination.  Maybe a white woman wouldn't have received this sentence.  But maybe she would have.  You don't know.  Regardless, I don't feel bad for any adult who goes to jail for selling drugs, especially when they put their children in harms way.
IMO I think that's a pretty ignorant statement.  Anyone with any morales knows its not ok to sell drugs in front of children.  Who doesn't want their child to grow up drug/violence free?  Who doesn't want their children to have a loving 2 parent household, a house with a white picket fence, summer vacations, and a proper eduction? 
However FYI there are a few million Americans that live in poverty whom don't even have 3 meals a day.  Their children drink powder milk. They don't have a car, a job, a PS3, a pool, etc.. etc.. They live on food stamps, dog food, or whatever it takes to survive. Basically these people will do anything to take care of their family.  If selling drugs provides food on the table for her kids, why wouldn't someone in that position do it?  Because the kids may get harmed?  What is harming them more?  A drug sale that pays for heating or her kids growing up without their mother for a majority of their childhood?  
All that is well and good, but the lady should have at least hidden what she was doing from her children.  
Having your elementary-age kids run and get change for your hand-to-hands is extremely irresponsible.  Guaranteed that fact played a part in the length of the sentence.  
 
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