Signs of changing times

Originally Posted by styso64

yeah i feel you some people on this board rock jordans and don't even care about who MJ was...i hate people who wear Jordans but don't like basketball and all they care about is getting noticed

Dog I am 25 years old and rocked jordans when you didn't even know who Jordan was...but I could care less about Jordan the player... i like the Lakers.I like Iverson and Kobe but think their shoes are hidious so just cuz I like them don't mean I will buy their shoes. I buy classic jordans or I through VIretroes because they were innovative and remain timeless masterpieces but if a jordan shoes rocks or Nike decides to put somebody else's name on a classici'll buy it. I don't care if it says Nike, Addidas, Jordan, or even Stephan Marbury or is for skateboarding, baseball, soccer, or foootball...cuz ifthe shoe is tight i'll buy it. You don't have to like Jordan or Basketball to wear Jordans you just have to appreciate Tinker Hatfield'sdesigns.
 
Originally Posted by EEntegRa

I will always love jordans but for the most part i only buy what i like, not what some people say is hot or dope. after all im the one thats wearing em. so there. just buy what you like. last Js i bought was probably the 3s (fire red and cool gray). that was it. passed on all these trash that JB is putting out. yes even the aquas and the upcoming bred 8s as well. it just does not appeal to me. so i dont buy em.
as for the upcoming packs, i have most of these OG colors so i wil pass on these. nothing beat the originals. period.

Word IIIs are Hot and always will be.
 
I just don't understand why people !!%$! so much? The difference between now and then is that JB no longer plays basketball. Theirs no need to releaseevery shoe in red/black, white/black, white/red, or cement color ways and appeal only to the basketball crowd. He's no longer a basketball player but abusiness man, and like any business man he's expanding the genre of his product to produce more sales and appeal to a wider range of people. Like I said, Ilove what JB's doing and if they keep putting out shoes I like, I'll keep buying hem. It has nothing to do with if you like or dislike basketball, orMichael Jordan, or were around when the originals were first released. All that matters is if you like the shoes. So if you don't like em, don't buyem. Either way you won't be hurting JB much. Those who continue to appreciate the design will continue loving the shoes, and hose who appreciate whatJB's doing far outweigh those who are *****ing about it.
 
I guess I can understand where the old heads are coming from I mean if you save up your money and buy any shoe you are going to feel proud because you workhard to get something with your hard earn cash but that goes on today atleast we dont have folks getting killed over shoes atleast I havent heard of a caseyet. I hear alot of people talking about what they meant but to be real people now days still buy jordans for the same reason as they do and some dont. To methe hype is still the same maybe a little bit more crazy but the same I remeber when the 12's came out I was in the second grade and it was hell trying toget a pair so I can imagine what it was like for adults. I get tired of people talking about how the shoe is cut and looks it's not like folks are going tosee you walking down the street and say hey look so and so jordans are deformed lol but I do agree they can be more comfortable these black and university blue14's are killing my feet lol
 
Originally Posted by RKO2004

Originally Posted by dbelcher5761

Originally Posted by arc9802

I guess you young guys don't understand fully what the old guys like me feel about Air Jordans. Which is fine. I understand times have changed but man if you were there in the late 80's and early 90's you would understand that Jordans just aren't what they once were. There was 1 model a year in about 3 colorways. It was special to get one pair of Jordans. Back then they were about $100 which was a ton for a pair of shoes. I remember saving for months to get just 1 pair! And that 1 pair I wore until they fell apart. The comfort of Jordans were unmatched compared to almost any shoe! If Jordan Brand could make some special EXACT models it would be sweet! Man, to get a pair of 3's with the Nike Air hang Tag and the sweet elephant print box that would make some OG guys so happy! I doubt that it will happen though.
Good call! It seems that now days, people complain when they don't see a 233rd retro+ colorway come out within 3 weeks of the previous release. Ok, a bit much, but you get my point. The days when we older guys (its really weird saying that) we had on the average 3 choices of colorways, and like I said, it seems that many people today complain when a new jordan doesn't drop one week. I think what gets me the most is the people that think they know there stuff, but are actually oblivious to the history of the shoe. For example, when the aqua's released a few weeks back, the guy at the local footlocker who he says is the biggest collector around and knows everything about the shoe (as he stated), yet he was unaware how the color differed on the retro aqua's. Oh, and by the way, he argued that the aqua's were the playoff 8's. I understand that this is just one person, but it seems that the majority of the younger people are like this. Kinda like the guy that told me the Mars IV's were actually IIIs that MJ wore in the early 90's.....that was clever.
I understand where you guys are coming from.I'm not exactly a noob.I'm 19 and I remember the days of just getting a few pair of shoes a year.Plus I couldn't get Jordans back then because of the price.Actually my first Air jordan was the retro Bred 8s in 02.I appreciate every pair I get.
Same hear i appreciate every pair i get.....Its just a time when you have to understand that things have changed..... I also feel the same way asDTRT.....just a time that you got to get over certain ****......
 
The products' quality and integrity have been compromised just to make a few extra dollars. And thats where i draw the line. My first shoes were the taxis back in 7th grade. That Christmas morning when i opened them up and read the back i had no doubt in my mind that they were, in fact: "Quality Inspired By The Greatest Player Ever." Today i look at that statement and i wonder if the suits at JB still think that statement accurately represents where the brand is today.
That's the truth right there. We're given Chevy/Daewoo Aveos in the guise of Infinity G35s.

 
couldnt agree with you more. i think some of these packs with be great(XI and XII) but what will happen is people will spend $310 on the IV and 19 pack whichis insane because the 19's are a joke. So what jordan brand will do is force us to pay $310 for a shoe that we really really want being the IV's. iwish they would only retro OG colorways,but that will never happen
 
^^^ what he said 19's are uggghhh man those shoes tshut me down when I saw them I thought them were trainers I will search and find someone to go hlf andhalf maybe somebody who dont know squat about jordans man um so wrong but my feet gone be so right with them 4's l0ololololl
 
it's about money.
big business doesn't REALLY care about people like you.
if they did, they wouldnt have retro'd them ever..simply because they knew it wouldnt hold up to the OG quality.
 
Times change and along with that so does a corporations business model. That being said, JB's business model has definitely changed eschewing quality andintegrity for profits. I personally think that the whole American business model has changed. It seems to me that alot of American companies are just there toprovide a product for profit regardless of quality because it will sell. The first time I laid eyes on Jordans they were the fire red 4's and that was it.My first pair of j's were the military 4's. I thought I would be buying j's forever. Not true. Kids in this younger generation might ask why wecomplain and make all this fuss about the shape, or color or anything we dont consider perfect about a shoe. No offense but you couldn't understand. Howcould you? I was alive and watched MJ since 1988. Its a whole different ballgame when the man himself is wearing the shoes you saw him play in when you were akid. When at 9 you spend the night over your friends house and you both wear your J's while jumping around imitating his airness in the dunk contests. Orwhen Mj played in the alllstar game or when MJ played against the Pistions and got his a** beat every time unti 91: all the time wearing the latest J's.When I saw him in every game of the playoffs for his six championships I was wearing his shoes most of the time. To me, when I wore j's, it wasnt aboutwhat was cool. It was about the man himslef and what he represented on the court. When people said my shoes looked like space shoes I took it as a compliment.I mean, MJ himslef played like he wasnt even from this planet. The man and the shoes were metaphorically the same. That feeling of nostalgia cant be replaced.It sure as hell cant be replaced by some crapa** retro that in no way represents the shoes he wore. That idea of nostalgia is a powerful thing. Its importantto most people, albeit in different ways about different things. This is why people collect old jays and complain about new ones. I feel I dedicated a big partof my childhood to Michael Jordan and the least he and his company could do is make the shoes like they were. That crap about losing molds and making the shoesfor casual wear is all bs. Like I said, you younger kids, or generation or whatever you want to be called, cant understand. You didnt experience what me andpeople older than me experienced who were THERE. We witnessed most of a career and the moments that defined a career of one of the greatest athletes ever. Idont know what kids younger than me think of Mj and his shoes. I cant believe that there are kids around 18, 19, 20 years old who could feel the same way andunderstand. SO when some old dude like myslef or someone else starts b******g and moaning about the retros or whatever jb shoe, what I just wrote about is abig reason. When you younger dudes find or realize whatever it was that was as big a part of your chilhood like MJ was to mine, you'll finally understandwhere us "older heads" are coming from and appreciate what we have to say. This goes out to everyone on this forum.
 
^damn that was some real stuff right there man....i understand what you sayin now.....and yea i dont see the jordans like yall do......
 
not talkinng about OG retro releases, but it shows how kids hype up the shoes...my sister told me that some little high scholers in my hometown had a houseparty and labeled the party "Spiz'ikes" i guess the theme was spizikes and people wore them to the pretty stupid huh??????
 
i mean its not that bad of an idea...the people there could buy those shoes cuz they actually like them....you really dont need to know much about michaeljordan to make someone like some jordans.....the designs of thee shoes speak for themselves......
 
2396Bulls wrote:
Times change and along with that so does a corporations business model. That being said, JB's business model has definitely changed eschewing quality and integrity for profits. I personally think that the whole American business model has changed. It seems to me that alot of American companies are just there to provide a product for profit regardless of quality because it will sell. The first time I laid eyes on Jordans they were the fire red 4's and that was it. My first pair of j's were the military 4's. I thought I would be buying j's forever. Not true. Kids in this younger generation might ask why we complain and make all this fuss about the shape, or color or anything we dont consider perfect about a shoe. No offense but you couldn't understand. How could you? I was alive and watched MJ since 1988. Its a whole different ballgame when the man himself is wearing the shoes you saw him play in when you were a kid. When at 9 you spend the night over your friends house and you both wear your J's while jumping around imitating his airness in the dunk contests. Or when Mj played in the alllstar game or when MJ played against the Pistions and got his a** beat every time unti 91: all the time wearing the latest J's. When I saw him in every game of the playoffs for his six championships I was wearing his shoes most of the time. To me, when I wore j's, it wasnt about what was cool. It was about the man himslef and what he represented on the court. When people said my shoes looked like space shoes I took it as a compliment. I mean, MJ himslef played like he wasnt even from this planet. The man and the shoes were metaphorically the same. That feeling of nostalgia cant be replaced. It sure as hell cant be replaced by some crapa** retro that in no way represents the shoes he wore. That idea of nostalgia is a powerful thing. Its important to most people, albeit in different ways about different things. This is why people collect old jays and complain about new ones. I feel I dedicated a big part of my childhood to Michael Jordan and the least he and his company could do is make the shoes like they were. That crap about losing molds and making the shoes for casual wear is all bs. Like I said, you younger kids, or generation or whatever you want to be called, cant understand. You didnt experience what me and people older than me experienced who were THERE. We witnessed most of a career and the moments that defined a career of one of the greatest athletes ever. I dont know what kids younger than me think of Mj and his shoes. I cant believe that there are kids around 18, 19, 20 years old who could feel the same way and understand. SO when some old dude like myslef or someone else starts b******g and moaning about the retros or whatever jb shoe, what I just wrote about is a big reason. When you younger dudes find or realize whatever it was that was as big a part of your chilhood like MJ was to mine, you'll finally understand where us "older heads" are coming from and appreciate what we have to say. This goes out to everyone on this forum.

Excellent post, best I've read on here yet.

I think he did an excellent job summing up what the "older" generation on here has been trying to explain to the "younger" generation.I'm happy to see that something from my childhood has transcended time and is sought after by the next generation. But there is no way they can understandthe connection we had to the shoes (yes I realize it sounds silly to speak in these terms about mere shoes, but they represented much more to us). I hope thispost goes a long way to shedding some light on why we speak with such passion as we do about something a seemingly insignificant as the nuances of a simpleshoe, why we insist on holding JB to a higher standard.

Again, great post 2396... thank you.
 
Originally Posted by 2396Bulls

Times change and along with that so does a corporations business model. That being said, JB's business model has definitely changed eschewing quality and integrity for profits. I personally think that the whole American business model has changed. It seems to me that alot of American companies are just there to provide a product for profit regardless of quality because it will sell. The first time I laid eyes on Jordans they were the fire red 4's and that was it. My first pair of j's were the military 4's. I thought I would be buying j's forever. Not true. Kids in this younger generation might ask why we complain and make all this fuss about the shape, or color or anything we dont consider perfect about a shoe. No offense but you couldn't understand. How could you? I was alive and watched MJ since 1988. Its a whole different ballgame when the man himself is wearing the shoes you saw him play in when you were a kid. When at 9 you spend the night over your friends house and you both wear your J's while jumping around imitating his airness in the dunk contests. Or when Mj played in the alllstar game or when MJ played against the Pistions and got his a** beat every time unti 91: all the time wearing the latest J's. When I saw him in every game of the playoffs for his six championships I was wearing his shoes most of the time. To me, when I wore j's, it wasnt about what was cool. It was about the man himslef and what he represented on the court. When people said my shoes looked like space shoes I took it as a compliment. I mean, MJ himslef played like he wasnt even from this planet. The man and the shoes were metaphorically the same. That feeling of nostalgia cant be replaced. It sure as hell cant be replaced by some crapa** retro that in no way represents the shoes he wore. That idea of nostalgia is a powerful thing. Its important to most people, albeit in different ways about different things. This is why people collect old jays and complain about new ones. I feel I dedicated a big part of my childhood to Michael Jordan and the least he and his company could do is make the shoes like they were. That crap about losing molds and making the shoes for casual wear is all bs. Like I said, you younger kids, or generation or whatever you want to be called, cant understand. You didnt experience what me and people older than me experienced who were THERE. We witnessed most of a career and the moments that defined a career of one of the greatest athletes ever. I dont know what kids younger than me think of Mj and his shoes. I cant believe that there are kids around 18, 19, 20 years old who could feel the same way and understand. SO when some old dude like myslef or someone else starts b******g and moaning about the retros or whatever jb shoe, what I just wrote about is a big reason. When you younger dudes find or realize whatever it was that was as big a part of your chilhood like MJ was to mine, you'll finally understand where us "older heads" are coming from and appreciate what we have to say. This goes out to everyone on this forum.
Well put.I think where all this starts is when some of the older guys attack the younger guys for liking certain colorways or current JB shoes.As forquality comparisons go,I can't be the judge of that because like I said before I didn't get my first Air Jordan until 2002.
 
I remember when that topic poped up on NT back then,i been with NT from the begining but it would take forever to get an account back then ,not how quick andeasy it is right now,when you suggested that Jordan Brand retro the VIII's everyone jumped on you for that,it's amazing how time has changed for real,

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i agree...JB produces so many bad looking colorways of retro shoes as a general release so many people can buy them..except they are the ones that most peopledon't even like...such as all those AJ XIIIs with orange on them...then for the OG colorways that most Jordan fans actually like are made so limited..suchas those flight club only AJ XVs. And its sad how gentry is saying later on retros will be harder to get..making the OG colorways that people really likelimited to the point of camping out with a 1 pair limit per person and at an inflated price. Even though shoes get worn out and you need another pair, but JBmakes it so hard to get your hands on a fresh pair of your favorite Js without having to pay sky high prices on ebay or wherever--if you can even find a DSpair in your size.
 
I used to cop EVERY single jordan release, retro or not.
JB lost me awhile back.
It seems there is just nothing special about Jordans these days.
 
Originally Posted by 2396Bulls

Times change and along with that so does a corporations business model. That being said, JB's business model has definitely changed eschewing quality and integrity for profits. I personally think that the whole American business model has changed. It seems to me that alot of American companies are just there to provide a product for profit regardless of quality because it will sell. The first time I laid eyes on Jordans they were the fire red 4's and that was it. My first pair of j's were the military 4's. I thought I would be buying j's forever. Not true. Kids in this younger generation might ask why we complain and make all this fuss about the shape, or color or anything we dont consider perfect about a shoe. No offense but you couldn't understand. How could you? I was alive and watched MJ since 1988. Its a whole different ballgame when the man himself is wearing the shoes you saw him play in when you were a kid. When at 9 you spend the night over your friends house and you both wear your J's while jumping around imitating his airness in the dunk contests. Or when Mj played in the alllstar game or when MJ played against the Pistions and got his a** beat every time unti 91: all the time wearing the latest J's. When I saw him in every game of the playoffs for his six championships I was wearing his shoes most of the time. To me, when I wore j's, it wasnt about what was cool. It was about the man himslef and what he represented on the court. When people said my shoes looked like space shoes I took it as a compliment. I mean, MJ himslef played like he wasnt even from this planet. The man and the shoes were metaphorically the same. That feeling of nostalgia cant be replaced. It sure as hell cant be replaced by some crapa** retro that in no way represents the shoes he wore. That idea of nostalgia is a powerful thing. Its important to most people, albeit in different ways about different things. This is why people collect old jays and complain about new ones. I feel I dedicated a big part of my childhood to Michael Jordan and the least he and his company could do is make the shoes like they were. That crap about losing molds and making the shoes for casual wear is all bs. Like I said, you younger kids, or generation or whatever you want to be called, cant understand. You didnt experience what me and people older than me experienced who were THERE. We witnessed most of a career and the moments that defined a career of one of the greatest athletes ever. I dont know what kids younger than me think of Mj and his shoes. I cant believe that there are kids around 18, 19, 20 years old who could feel the same way and understand. SO when some old dude like myslef or someone else starts b******g and moaning about the retros or whatever jb shoe, what I just wrote about is a big reason. When you younger dudes find or realize whatever it was that was as big a part of your chilhood like MJ was to mine, you'll finally understand where us "older heads" are coming from and appreciate what we have to say. This goes out to everyone on this forum.
Well said! I was there in the beginning when the originals came out in 1985. There was just something so special about Jordans back then.
 
Quote:Cosign.Its crazy how some of you think now.Do you think Jordans weren't viewed as a fad back then.People getting shot over their sneakers.Long linesand riots.And there were people back then who bought 10-20 kicks a year and they are no different than the shoe heads now.Times have changed.You guys got olderand lost your passion for Jordans."


Hell no Jordan's weren't viewed as a FAD, Jordan's were Jordan's it wasn't an entire lifestyle. Long lines and riots lmao!!! I hope yourkidding, how old are you? There were no LINES for Jordans in 85-99, for most people spending 100+ for ONE shoe was too expensive let alone an entire closetfull. Even in 1999-2002 when this whole retro thing really began to jump off, it was usually a GROUP of about 10-15 people waiting for a shoe, not a LINE thatwas camped out for 2 days of about 200 people. Its a HUGE difference, you kids just replaced baseball cards, comic books and pokemon cards with Jordans, Dunks,and AF1's. We didn't lose our passion, but in 1999-2002 I don't remember having to argue with someones%!!!#%! mother over their son's place inline LMAO!!!!!!!! When I started seeing peoples mothers showing up for releases in big groups I knew this $#!! was done. I still love Jordan's but betweenthe HORRIBLE QUALITY, the ridiculous lines, and all this BS hype, at 26 it was time to move on for me, then again everyones different.
 
Originally Posted by trethousandgt

Quote:Cosign.Its crazy how some of you think now.Do you think Jordans weren't viewed as a fad back then.People getting shot over their sneakers.Long lines and riots.And there were people back then who bought 10-20 kicks a year and they are no different than the shoe heads now.Times have changed.You guys got older and lost your passion for Jordans."


Hell no Jordan's weren't viewed as a FAD, Jordan's were Jordan's it wasn't an entire lifestyle. Long lines and riots lmao!!! I hope your kidding, how old are you? There were no LINES for Jordans in 85-99, for most people spending 100+ for ONE shoe was too expensive let alone an entire closet full. Even in 1999-2002 when this whole retro thing really began to jump off, it was usually a GROUP of about 10-15 people waiting for a shoe, not a LINE that was camped out for 2 days of about 200 people. Its a HUGE difference, you kids just replaced baseball cards, comic books and pokemon cards with Jordans, Dunks, and AF1's. We didn't lose our passion, but in 1999-2002 I don't remember having to argue with someones%!!!#%! mother over their son's place in line LMAO!!!!!!!! When I started seeing peoples mothers showing up for releases in big groups I knew this $#!! was done. I still love Jordan's but between the HORRIBLE QUALITY, the ridiculous lines, and all this BS hype, at 26 it was time to move on for me, then again everyones different.
So you were at every store in the U.S.? You can't say there weren't lines because you don't live everywhere.And since it wasn't aFad,what would you call it?I'm 19 try reading next time.I knew people who had ever Jordan that came out.And isn't 10-15 people considered a line? Whosaid something about camping out? I knew people who went with their mom to get jays.And next time you try to come at me please don't misquote me?
 
I feel you. That's what I'm thinking about nowadays. JB shouldn't be a fashion statement.... I even blame MJ for that, which is something Ididn't think will happen. He let his brand, and his legacy in the shoe game cought up by some trends.
Actually, I only buy the OG colorways in the future...
 
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