Serious question: now that you’ve seen TROS what do you wish TLJ was that would have made this better?
Now that I've seen TROS its not at all that hard for it to be streamlined and have more room to breathe pacing wise.
Gotta keep in mind a few facts and educated guesses; Nobody @ Lucasfilm had a story, outline, or even rough draft for how the entire trilogy was suppose to go. Its clear interviews, it's clear with bull **** covering, after the fact reasoning and explanations, etc.
I remember being most excited for IX back when Trevorrow was attached. Then he left cuz Rian turned things to ****.
I'm keeping in mind this sequel trilogy was not originally billed as the conclusion of the Skywalker saga. It was not always intended for Palpatine to be the mastermind behind everything.
So yeah its simple, TLJ should've been a few things JJ squeezed into TROS; expand on Poe as a character, reveal and tease more there, same thing with Finn linking up with other orphan storm troopers who rebelled.
Scrap casino planet. Better yet blow it up. Reveal Benecio's character to be a mercenary/bounty hunter hired by the First Order but actually secretly hired by Darth Sidious to kill Leia or Luke or just **** with Rey. Hell make him a force user/dark Jedi that knew Luke and betrayed him. I just made that up and its way better than cynical scumbag con artist type criminal just getting by in life.
Completely scrap the majority of the movie being a slow chase in space. Have the plot involving Kylo actually revolve around something pivotal to them taking over the galaxy as the resistance fights them. Not just find Luke/kill Luke and hope he saves everybody.
Rose Tico has a completely different personality and has a thing for Rey. Why the **** not? Matter fact let her force herself on Rey in the 3rd act.
Do something more interesting than w/e forced pairing Rey and Kylo got. That to me was the worst writing in the movie. Kylo was a good idea but poorly executed. One of the frustrating and disappointing characters despite Driver's acting.
When Kylo kills Snoke that'll stand as is but after those guards in red get beat the Knights of Ren show up and they begin to curbstomp Rey as Kylo tells her to give in. Then Snoke (clone) shows up and Kylo actually has to fight him and its not wild easy for him.
I was never a fan of Luke like that so I didnt really react negatively to what was done to him other than laugh but **** it he doesn't die from long distance ghost fighting on a different planet. He survives in to IX very weakened and dies there. Maybe a similar death to Obi-Wan's as he faces Sidious and he does that poof I'm gone death as he is "struck down". G
All of TLJ I'd make use of an alive Carrie Fisher and have Leia be mentoring Rey, again like JJ tried to do but obviously couldn't follow through on. Throughout the whole damn movie Rey would be hearing a voice every now and then urging her to do **** but not necessarily evil. That voice would be Sidious/Palpatine. We wouldn't know it and assume it's Snoke but thats foreshadowing. I mean for IX to work better he'd have to start massaging and softening her up to turn her. He'd learn from his mistake of off rip trying to turn Luke by rejecting Vader in front of him, calling for Vader's death, and failing.
So to sum up:
- Scrap most of what happened in TLJ
- Actual character development for Finn and Poe/learn more about them
- Better subplot with Del Toro's character
- Better fight scenes against Snoke and the Knights of Ren
- Better fight scene and death for Phasma against Finn
- Leia mentors Rey
- Palpatine is hinted at/implied and is influencing Rey the entire movie
- Kill Leia not Luke
- Cut that weird Kylo shirt off scene with Rey
- Finn yells Reeeeeeyyyyyyyy! only once
- Rose kisses Rey (for those in to Rose doing that)
This mostly would've led in to TROS much better and made that better as a result since it wouldn't have to do as much.
in my opinion: criticize last Jedi for the story choices all you want, but FA and TROS were written by teams of people who couldn’t make up their mind and were different movies by their ends than they were at their starts.
TLJ was written by one person who had a clear concept of what he wanted the movie to be, however disagreeable you found it and sought to execute that. It was cohesive and made sense.
EpIX is a mess and feels like Fan Fic/Fan servicer you’d find on tumblr.
This is only a good stance in an argument if you believe movies in a trilogy should be standalone solo movies that are the opposite of a 3 act story.
This isnt like Iron Man 1-3 or Captain America 1-3 where there's an overall narrative and character arc with 3 distinct stories.
This is one story told in 3 parts. So it doesnt matter how cohesive TLJ was for you or how much it made sense in a singular sense. Its nit an island on to itself. Its 1/3 of something and should be approached and treated as such. You shouldn't come in with a clear concept of only what you want to do ignoring whoever comes after you.
When you take in that this is a trilogy then TLJ isnt cohesive and doesnt make sense. Its a movie as if there wont be a next one. None of the main cast is properly developed. None of it is interesting. There is no growth or turning points or climaxes. What is done with them is not good.
jaypesoz just curious my man, but do they force the narrative that men are bad in the game or is it just way more female characters than men? If it's the latter then it's not really a problem.
