Suicide watch update..BSC/ Bear Sterns, The truth comes out after hearing a bunch of lies

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Not me but all the burnt shareholders, and players with power positions receiving a measly $2/share calling up Frukwan of thegravediggaz
at 1 800 SUICIDE but hearing nothing but a busy signal,
March 16, 2008 7:52 PM EDT
The deal calls for J.P. Morgan (NYSE: JPM) to pay $2 a share in a stock-swap transaction, with J.P. Morgan Chase exchanging 0.05473 share of its common stock for each Bear Stearns (NYSE: BSC) share. JP Morgan and Bear Stearns have approved the transaction, which values Bear Stearns at just $236 million. At Friday's close, Bear Stearns's market value was about $3.54 billion.

Government regulators, including the Federal Reserve and the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency, have given their blessing to the transaction.



"Bear Stearns lost half of its value within 30 minutes of the market open." AP

"Federal Reserve Bank of New York agreed to provide financing to Bear Stearns"

"But what happened in 24 hours that they didn't know 24 hours ago? But overnight, the company needed a governmentbail out," -Tom Sowanick

"If you want to know what the brink of disaster looks like at a major financial institution, this is it." JonOgg

"This morning, Bear Stearns announced a bailout from the New York Fed and JPMorgan. In its release, Bear Stearns notedtheir liquidity position in the last 24 hours had significantly deteriorated. The company cited a multitude of market rumors regarding the liquidity, which thecompany said it was unable to dispel."

im not an expert, banker, economist etc etc. but can the gov do this action in a capital market, well the ny fed bank is a private co.
alot of people lost money
should have liquidated my positions on wed. another bloodbath
 
I hope GS doesnt pull the same stunt next week. im building my position there with a cost basis of 158
 
Maybe James Cayne shouldn't have been smoking indo and playing bridge for 9 days while his company was faltering back in July-August.

Way to earn that $39m James!!! Maybe you can put it back into your company!

Around 9:38, safe to say a lot of people "shorted" them? I'm newer to looking at it like that....Wasn't the volume like 3m shares at $50? orsomething
 
perfect example of what myself and a few others have been saying. dont even go near these bank stocks. right now, nobody knows the book value of these stocks.those who bought yesterday in the 50's wake up to find 40% of their value gone.. thinking it was "cheap" in the 50's, just because it was inthe 100's a few months back. bsc may not be around for long.. thank god i didnt take the job in prime brokerage, because they may have called to say iwould be fired before i even started....
 
imo real talk, is BSC the first domino to fall? this might go until june/july with LEH,MER,JPM,GS,C,BAC,MS,WFCWB,UBS, etc etc. basically banks and financialinstitutions getting chin checked and possibly dropped to the mattress. look at mer since 1q last year.
 
I think GS is too well diversified and actually hedged well against their own position regarding the sub prime "securities". I don't think theyhad as much exposure. Obviously, I could be wrong. Their value may get pushed down because of the sector, though.
 
again.. there is no transparency into these banks. nobody actually knows how "well-hedged" they are, because they are not forced to disclose it. andeven if they did, almost nobody would understand it.

and lazyj, i would say the buying at 10-1015 was a reaction to the shorting.. most guys covering their position and buying the stock. i think theres abroadridge guy around here who can explain that to us..
 
I'm not a trader. I enjoy investing for my future, and do so accordingly. I beleive when its ALL over, financial sector stocks will have potential. Rightnow, no possible way.

Transparency is the correct term. Talk about navigating murky waters.

We'll see how other banks react to this.

I work in accounting, btw.

Can someone explain to me in detail, shorting? I know the main concept, but the rest of it, makes no sense to me.
 
u basically get to keep the difference if u short a stock and it actually works, I was shorting BSC so Im very happy with that trade. Just hope my GS comethrough
 
Man, I feel like sometimes the fortune 500 companies, especially those in the financial sector, and the Fed are running a huge pyramiad scheme in the USA andin Canada to a certain degree. I'm not here to preach socialist ideals but when the CEO of BSC is getting paid $39 million to keep the SHAREHOLDERS and thecompany's best interest in mind and goes out and essentially runs the company into the ground, something doesn't add up. Lowering the interest rates isa good idea to a certain extent, but when that only helps a selected few and hurts the rest of the country's citizens in the forms of higher fuelprices(devaluation of US dollar), higher food prices, and inflation, then something needs to be changed. The fed needs to be tied into the gov't or someother NGO to help regulate it's decisions because as of right now, Ben Bernanke has absolutely ZERO responsibility for anything.
 
A little more insight to one of BSC's leaders (I remember reading this in its entirety on the train when the OG story dropped in print)- Cliff notes, seemy first post in this thread.

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[h1]Bear CEO's Handling
Of Crisis Raises Issues[/h1]
Cayne on Golf Links,
10-Day Bridge Trip
Amid Summer Turmoil

By KATE KELLY
November 1, 2007

A crisis at Bear Stearns Cos. this summer came to a head in July. Two Bear hedge funds were hemorrhaging value. Investors were clamoring to get their money back. Lenders to the funds were demanding more collateral. Eventually, both funds collapsed.

During 10 critical days of this crisis -- one of the worst in the securities firm's 84-year history -- Bear's chief executive wasn't near his Wall Street office. James Cayne was playing in a bridge tournament in Nashville, Tenn., without a cellphone or an email device. In one closely watched competition, his team placed in the top third.
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As Bear's fund meltdown was helping spark this year's mortgage-market and credit convulsions, Mr. Cayne at times missed key events. At a tense August conference call with investors, he left after a few opening words and listeners didn't know when he returned. In summer weeks, he typically left the office on Thursday afternoon and spent Friday at his New Jersey golf club, out of touch for stretches, according to associates and golf records. In the critical month of July, he spent 10 of the 21 workdays out of the office, either at the bridge event or golfing, according to golf, bridge and hotel records.

Mr. Cayne evidently didn't court business on the links, as some CEOs do. "The golf course for him was an escape," says John Angelo, a hedge-fund client and frequent golf partner. Another golf partner, talk-show host Maury Povich, says: "Believe it or not, many words are not exchanged about business." During the bridge event, at a time when Bear's executive committee in New York was meeting almost daily, Mr. Cayne took part by phone, then played bridge most of the afternoon.

CAST YOUR VOTE

Vote: In light of his performance during Bear Stearns's summer crisis, should CEO James Cayne remain on the job?

In a short interview, Mr. Cayne declined to address his performance or his focus on Bear's summer crisis. Other Bear executives scoff at any notion that Mr. Cayne, 73 years old, isn't fully engaged. They say he reached out to clients this summer and has led by effectively delegating responsibilities to deputies.

"Anyone who thinks that Jimmy Cayne isn't fired up every day and ready to get to work hasn't been living in my world," says Alan Schwartz, Bear's president. He notes that over Labor Day weekend, Mr. Cayne flew to China to help seal a partnership with a Beijing investment bank.

Still, Mr. Cayne's actions amid the turmoil contrast with the hands-on roles of peers such as James Dimon of J.P. Morgan Chase & Co., Richard Fuld Jr. of Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. and Lloyd Blankfein of Goldman Sachs Group Inc. In August, Messrs. Dimon and Fuld got personally involved in negotiations for new financing terms on the sale of a Home Depot Inc. unit that had lost value amid the squeeze. Mr. Blankfein canceled plans to spend the last two weeks of August at his beach house, missing a chance to spend time with his sons before they headed to college. Through the summer's market gyrations, Mr. Blankfein frequently visited Goldman mortgage desks.

CRISIS MANAGEMENT

Background: Two Bear Stearns hedge funds faced turmoil in June and July as mortgage securities they held dropped.

CEO's Oversight: James Cayne took long golfing weekends and spent 10 days at a Tennessee bridge tournament during the crisis.

Internal Support: Bear officials dismiss any suggestion the 73-year-old CEO might not be fully engaged.

The fund trouble was a shock for Bear, which was known as one of the Street's savviest risk managers. For years the firm relied on a system of "ferrets," or managers who monitored trades, to spot problems. Potential issues were reviewed in weekly meetings, at which Alan "Ace" Greenberg, the 80-year-old executive-committee chairman who led Bear until 1993, was an active participant. Nowadays, say people with knowledge of the gatherings, the firm's risk-review meetings are held more than once a week, and after years of spotty attendance, Mr. Cayne is a more-regular participant.

The tough-talking Mr. Cayne personifies Bear's aggressiveness. A onetime scrap-iron salesman, he joined Bear in 1969 and rose quickly in the brokerage division, catering to wealthy individuals. He developed a rapport with Mr. Greenberg, who shared his love of bridge, and the two frequently played after hours at the Regency Whist Club in New York. In 1993, Mr. Cayne unseated Mr. Greenberg to become Bear's CEO. Mr. Greenberg referred questions to a Bear spokeswoman.

Over the next 14 years, Bear expanded and its stock price rose nearly 600%. Mr. Cayne made some progress in turning the firm, a trading powerhouse, into more of an investment bank that helps companies with financing and mergers. Colleagues say he has been good at developing young talent, such as Chinese-born Donald Tang, who eventually became a vice chairman and chief of Bear's Asian operations.

Mr. Cayne's management style at Bear headquarters in Manhattan is to strategize in small groups in his private sixth-floor office, often wielding a lit cigar. He often seeks consensus, after consulting associates. Mr. Cayne is "a great captain" who's made a "tremendous contribution to growing a very significant franchise" over many years, says David Winters, a former chief of mutual-fund firm Franklin Mutual Advisers LLC, long one of Bear's larger institutional shareholders.

For the year 2006, Mr. Cayne took home $34 million in pay and became the first Wall Street chief to own a company stake worth more than $1 billion. Although the value of his stake has since fallen, along with Bear's share price, he remains one of the firm's single biggest investors, according to public records.

He has resisted overtures to sell Bear. In 2002, when Mr. Dimon, then head of Bank One Corp., raised the possibility of buying Bear, Mr. Cayne didn't give the idea much consideration, according to people to whom he spoke. Mr. Cayne told members of Bear's executive committee he would do a deal only for a significant stock price premium, a big personal payout and the use of a private jet, say people familiar with the conversation. The takeover idea ultimately faded away.

Mr. Cayne revels in being a Wall Street maverick. He has described his disinclination to travel for business matters, saying privately he wouldn't meet with President Bush about economic issues unless the president came to Bear's New York offices.

He is blunt. Investment-firm chief Alexandra Lebenthal brought her 11-year-old son to visit Bear a few years back. She says she introduced him to Mr. Cayne, who pulled her aside and said, "That kid's got a rotten handshake. He's going nowhere in life." Ms. Lebenthal, chief of a unit of Israel Discount Bank of New York, says she instructed her son on the importance of a firmer handshake.

Mr. Cayne, who has also used bridge to help recruit clients, considers tournaments a welcome break, say people who've spent time with him at the events. He has played in at least three so far this year, staying from a few days to over a week at each.

Attendees say Mr. Cayne has sometimes smoked marijuana at the end of the day during bridge tournaments. He also has used pot in more private settings, according to people who say they witnessed him doing so or participated with him.

After a day of bridge at a Doubletree hotel in Memphis, in 2004, Mr. Cayne invited a fellow player and a woman to smoke pot with him, according to someone who was there, and led the two to a lobby men's room where he intended to light up. The other player declined, says the person who was there, but the woman followed Mr. Cayne inside and shared a joint, to the amusement of a passerby.

Mr. Cayne denied emphatically that such an incident occurred. "There is no chance that it happened," he said. "Zero chance."

Asked more generally whether he smoked pot during bridge tournaments or on other occasions, Mr. Cayne said he would respond only "to a specific allegation," not to general questions.

Bear's travails began early this year with signs of trouble in the mortgage market. Home prices were slipping, while delinquencies on loans to the weakest borrowers, called subprime loans, were up. Late February brought a swoon in an index that tracks packages of subprime loans that have been sliced up and resold to investors in the form of complex securities.

Two Bear Stearns hedge funds -- investment partnerships for rich people and institutions -- were heavily invested in such securities. The funds used leverage, or borrowed money, to amplify their bets, magnifying both gains and losses. Reflecting their holdings, one fund was called the Bear Stearns High-Grade Structured Credit Strategies Fund. The other had the same name plus the words "Enhanced Leverage." That one had $638 million in investor cash and at least $6 billion in borrowed capital. So for every dollar of investor money, it borrowed roughly $10.

Mr. Cayne showed little sign of concern about the mortgage market at a dinner with analysts in late March, according to one attendee. But soon that market took a turn for the worse. The values of some holdings in both hedge funds sank. The more leveraged fund told its investors in early June that it was down 23% for the year through April, prompting demands by many to get their money back.

To raise cash, both funds began selling billions of dollars of the assets they'd acquired with borrowed money. All this selling put still more pressure on the values of such securities.

About this time, Mr. Cayne began his summertime ritual of taking a helicopter from New York City to Deal, N.J., on Thursdays to make a late-afternoon golf game at the exclusive Hollywood Golf Club, associates say. (He pays for the 17-minute, $1,700 trips himself, one person says.) After spending the night in his vacation home nearby, associates add, Mr. Cayne generally hits the golf course again Friday morning for another 18 holes, followed by 8 a.m. tee-offs on Saturday and Sunday. Friends say that after his Saturday game, he often heads back to his local home for several hours of online poker and bridge and to play with his grandchildren.

Samuel Molinaro Jr., Bear's chief operating and financial officer, says, "I've never had a problem reaching him."

In the first week of June, the more leveraged fund told investors who wanted out that it couldn't immediately return their money. Wall Street creditors that had lent the fund money reacted sharply to this news, making margin calls, or requests for additional collateral. One creditor, Merrill Lynch & Co., which was owed $400 million, seized the assets that backed its loan on June 15. Mr. Cayne was on the golf course in New Jersey part of that day, a Friday, having left the office Thursday afternoon, according to a Web site that tracks individuals' golf scores.

Mr. Angelo says Mr. Cayne doesn't carry a cellphone or email device while golfing, in accordance with a policy at the Hollywood club. Mr. Povich says that on Fridays, Mr. Cayne would occasionally use a land line near the course's ninth hole to check in with the office. Associates of Mr. Cayne say top Bear executives often didn't try to contact him between 8 a.m. and 1 p.m. on Fridays, preferring to leave messages with his assistants at Bear to call the office when he was free.

Even when he wasn't there in person, Mr. Cayne was hands-on, say other associates. Mortgage-division head Tom Marano, who temporarily left his post over the summer to help stabilize the two flailing funds in the firm's asset-management division, says Mr. Cayne offered some helpful advice on handling irascible creditors during a critical period in July. Mr. Marano says the CEO told him in a phone call to "keep your Irish down," or cool his temper and try to negotiate calmly. (Mr. Marano is of Irish and Italian descent.)

Late in June, as the outcry from investors in Bear's hedge funds grew, Bear authorized an 11th-hour loan of up to $3.2 billion to the less-risky of the two beleaguered funds. The fund ultimately borrowed about half that amount from its parent company.

On July 12, chatting with visitors over lunch, Mr. Cayne seemed less interested in discussing the markets than in talking about a breakfast-cereal allergy and his stash of unlabeled Cuban cigars. On another occasion, he told a visitor he pays $140 apiece for the cigars, keeping them in a humidor under his desk.

Five days later managers of both funds informed investors their holdings were virtually worthless.

The next day, July 18, Mr. Cayne left for Nashville to play in the bridge tournament, accompanied by his wife, Patricia, who is a neuropsychologist and another avid bridge player. Mr. Cayne took part in a prestigious event called Spingold KO. He was in Nashville all or parts of 10 days, according to bridge and hotel records.
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For most of that time, Warren Spector -- then co-president of Bear and also a competitive bridge player -- was in Nashville as well. Mr. Spector was in charge of asset management at Bear, along with all of its trading operations and its prime-brokerage unit, which handles trades for big clients such as hedge funds as well as lending them money.

Amid the hedge-fund crisis, Bear's five-member executive committee gathered almost daily. Mr. Cayne and Mr. Spector dialed in from Nashville in the hours before the afternoon games began.

On the calls, Mr. Cayne rarely dictated orders, participants say. When fingers were pointed, he urged others not to "worry about who got us here."

The funds reached an impasse on July 26. Fretting over a margin call that hadn't been met, Bear took the painful step of seizing most of the remaining collateral in the less-leveraged fund, to which Bear had extended $1.6 billion in credit. Although the fund had paid back $300 million of the loan, it couldn't come up with any more cash, essentially forcing its own parent company to shut it down. Days later, Mr. Marano, who had been unable to avert the seizure, initiated bankruptcy proceedings for both funds.

The following day, Mr. Cayne left Nashville to return to New York. By then, new troubles were brewing at Bear Stearns Asset Management, the umbrella division for the two troubled hedge funds. Another, unrelated fund was also facing investor demands for their money back.

Amid the turmoil, Mr. Cayne on Aug. 1 called in Mr. Spector, the co-president who had been with him at Nashville. Mr. Cayne was annoyed that Mr. Spector had been away from the office during the fund crisis, according to people familiar with his thinking. He told Mr. Spector he had lost Mr. Cayne's confidence and should resign, these people say. Mr. Spector left his boss's office without committing to do so.

On Friday, Aug. 3, with investors in Bear's stock worried about how solid its financing was, executives convened a conference call to reassure people. Mr. Cayne opened it by saying the firm was "taking the situation seriously" and addressing the market issues. He turned over the call to Mr. Molinaro, the CFO. Mr. Molinaro called the bond market's condition "about as bad as I've seen it" in a 22-year career.

An analyst asked Mr. Cayne a question, but there was silence. Mr. Cayne had left, say two people who were with him in a Bear conference room at the start of the call. One says Mr. Cayne had been summoned out by a lawyer advising him on the pending departure of Mr. Spector, who by then was planning to resign. Mr. Cayne later returned, but the hundreds of listeners weren't told this, leaving them with the impression that the CEO had left the call altogether.

As word spread about the call and Mr. Molinaro's grim assessment, the financial markets began to sink. The Dow Jones Industrial Average fell more than 300 points, before recovering slightly to end the day down 2%.

FROM THE ARCHIVES

Market Swoons as Bear Stearns Bolsters Finances
08/04/07

Later that day, WSJ.com reported the anticipated resignation of Mr. Spector. The co-president, a 49-year-old former mortgage trader, had been seen as a likely heir to Mr. Cayne. The move left Bear with no apparent succession plan, though in a recent interview Bear's lead director, Vincent Tese, said that "the front-runner is clearly Alan," meaning Mr. Schwartz.

The following day, a Saturday, Mr. Cayne scored a respectable 88 at the Hollywood golf course, according to the golf Web site. But for Bear, things seemed to be falling apart that weekend. Major clients of the firm's prime brokerage division were threatening to pull their business.

Bear executives scrambled to reassure them in phone calls Sunday, Aug. 5, saying that Bear's financing was secure and its risks contained. Yet Bear did lose some prime-brokerage business -- from, among others, Brahman Capital Corp. and a fund connected to Mariner Investment Group, say people familiar with the matter.

Although Mr. Cayne didn't take part in the Aug. 5 calls to clients, according to people familiar with the calls, he spent a rare Sunday at the office leading a hastily called board meeting to accept Mr. Spector's resignation.

Late the Friday of Labor Day weekend, Mr. Cayne flew to Beijing with Mr. Tang, the Chinese-born executive, for a series of meetings that would culminate in a deal.

On Sept. 20, Bear reported earnings for its Aug. 31 quarter: a 61% year-over-year drop -- reflecting an 88% fall in bond revenue and $200 million in costs linked to the closing of the two hedge funds. Bear shook up its mortgage unit, laying off more than 500 people. It has just laid off 300 more people throughout the firm, though the head count remains at about 15,000.

Bear faces reviews of the hedge-fund collapses by the Securities and Exchange Commission, the Justice Department and Massachusetts state regulators. Bear's board has retained attorney Robert Fiske Jr. to sort out what went wrong. On Oct. 22, Bear and Citic Securities Co., a Chinese investment bank, announced a deal in which each will invest about $1 billion in the other. In sealing that deal, Mr. Cayne's long-term relationship with the Chinese bank's officials "had gone a long way," says Mr. Tang. Bear's stock edged up on the news but remains down about 30% for the year, the worst performance of any major brokerage firm.

Bear's travails have of late taken a back seat to those of competitors like Merrill Lynch, where a write-down of $8.4 billion cost chief executive Stan O'Neal his job. Many of Bear's rivals continue to grapple with the fallout of the summer's credit crunch, and when conditions will improve remains unclear.

Friends of Mr. Cayne say he is troubled by the summer's events and concerned about his legacy. "It's one thing if you're 55," says Mr. Angelo, the hedge-fund manager and golf partner. "It's another if you're 73," he says, adding that amid turmoil such as this year's, it can take "periods of time to get your reputation back."
 
BS was tied heavily to fixed income and mortgages....they were always the most likely candidate to fail in this market. Even after this market rights itselfthey were going to have trouble earning money.

Bear was known primarily as a prime broker and trade clearing house firm. They've bolstered their investment bank and asset management business lately.Principal trading is always the trickiest business -- it's how ML and Citi got into trouble.
 
BS was tied heavily to fixed income and mortgages....they were always the most likely candidate to fail in this market. Even after this market rights itselfthey were going to have trouble earning money.

Bear was known primarily as a prime broker and trade clearing house firm. They've bolstered their investment bank and asset management business lately.Principal trading is always the trickiest business -- it's how ML and Citi got into trouble.
 
Originally Posted by geronim04

perfect example of what myself and a few others have been saying. dont even go near these bank stocks. right now, nobody knows the book value of these stocks. those who bought yesterday in the 50's wake up to find 40% of their value gone.. thinking it was "cheap" in the 50's, just because it was in the 100's a few months back. bsc may not be around for long.. thank god i didnt take the job in prime brokerage, because they may have called to say i would be fired before i even started....

You're right.

GS actually came out virtually unscathed by the mortgage situation.

The Fed. and the Gov. need to let these banks die. We live in a free market, don't we.
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I guess it's hard to let them die when the major banks comprising the fed have stakes in these other banks.
Or maybe they'll let them slide even lower and then buy them up.

Seriosuly is there a better job than being a CEO of a major Bank or Corp.?
You can fu*k up, run the company into the ground, and get paid for doing it.
You know why? First, if there's any gov't investigation, you'll play dumb about the fraud and shady dealings that happen . Second, so you won'texpose company "secrets". Yeh, the same company that's losing money.
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Originally Posted by wawaweewa

Originally Posted by geronim04

perfect example of what myself and a few others have been saying. dont even go near these bank stocks. right now, nobody knows the book value of these stocks. those who bought yesterday in the 50's wake up to find 40% of their value gone.. thinking it was "cheap" in the 50's, just because it was in the 100's a few months back. bsc may not be around for long.. thank god i didnt take the job in prime brokerage, because they may have called to say i would be fired before i even started....

You're right.

GS actually came out virtually unscathed by the mortgage situation.

The Fed. and the Gov. need to let these banks die. We live in a free market, don't we.
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I guess it's hard to let them die when the major banks comprising the fed have stakes in these other banks.
Or maybe they'll let them slide even lower and then buy them up.


Seriosuly is there a better job than being a CEO of a major Bank or Corp.?
You can fu*k up, run the company into the ground, and get paid for doing it.
You know why? First, if there's any gov't investigation, you'll play dumb about the fraud and shady dealings that happen . Second, so you won't expose company "secrets". Yeh, the same company that's losing money.
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WOW. Just Wow... learn about money and banking.
 
Originally Posted by JordanFiend85

Originally Posted by wawaweewa

Originally Posted by geronim04

perfect example of what myself and a few others have been saying. dont even go near these bank stocks. right now, nobody knows the book value of these stocks. those who bought yesterday in the 50's wake up to find 40% of their value gone.. thinking it was "cheap" in the 50's, just because it was in the 100's a few months back. bsc may not be around for long.. thank god i didnt take the job in prime brokerage, because they may have called to say i would be fired before i even started....

You're right.

GS actually came out virtually unscathed by the mortgage situation.

The Fed. and the Gov. need to let these banks die. We live in a free market, don't we.
laugh.gif

I guess it's hard to let them die when the major banks comprising the fed have stakes in these other banks.
Or maybe they'll let them slide even lower and then buy them up.


Seriosuly is there a better job than being a CEO of a major Bank or Corp.?
You can fu*k up, run the company into the ground, and get paid for doing it.
You know why? First, if there's any gov't investigation, you'll play dumb about the fraud and shady dealings that happen . Second, so you won't expose company "secrets". Yeh, the same company that's losing money.
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WOW. Just Wow... learn about money and banking.

Are you serious?

You can at least write about what you're in argument with.

Are you arguing that the Federal Reserve Bank is not affiliated with the major banks in the US? Go read about how the Federal Reserve Act was brought along andby whom.

Are you arguing that the Federal Reserve Bank should be involved in bailing out failing banks? I have no argument with JP Morgan being a part of it but the Fedshouldn't. The Fed has developed a bad habit of doing this and in the recent months it has chosen to bail out the financial industry over fightinginflation.

Are you arguing that the Major banks affiliated with the Federal Reserve Bank don't have stakes and do major business with other banks? Or that a majorbank has never bought out a smaller bank when it's value was relatively low.

If BS went under it would be ugly but so what. Let the market sort itself out. In the long run it'll be for the good.

Yeh. You know plenty about money and banking.
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Well what do we have here.
From an article by Bloomberg.

A person close to JPMorgan said the bank, led by Chief Executive Officer Jamie Dimon, would be interested in buying Bear Stearns's prime brokerage unit, which provides loans and processes trades for hedge funds.

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No need to argue with someone who posts a gem like the one you did. Your reasoning has no bearing on why the Fed wont let major banks fail...

It has nothing to do with owning stakes and the short term damage would far outweigh the long term benefits.


Like I said learn about money and banking.
 
Originally Posted by JordanFiend85

No need to argue with someone who posts a gem like the one you did. Your reasoning has no bearing on why the Fed wont let major banks fail...

It has nothing to do with owning stakes and the short term damage would far outweigh the long term benefits.


Like I said learn about money and banking.


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The short term damage would be great. Outweigh, long term benefits? No way. I guess letting the market do what it does is bad all of a sudden.

It has nothing to do with owning stakes? The why is JP Morgan (whom the FED used to put a public face on the loan) already talking about acquiring BS'sbrokerage side.

You think that the Banks are just separate entities?
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That theydon't do business with each other or aren't invested with each other and in each other's success to a point.

Keep reading all the official junk they put out. The Big Boys on Wall Street like it that way.


Oh, one more thing. I guess a number of the major economists and investors saying similar things also don't know about money and the banking system,right?
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EDIT:


I couldn't pass this up. Was just reading an article in the WSJ and lo and behold.

While the short term risks of letting BS go is not known, the long term consequences of high inflation are.

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After initial relief, credit markets have taken a turn for the worse in recent weeks, breeding an every-man-for-himself attitude among Wall Street firms. With each firm intricately intertwined with others in a maze of loans, credit lines, derivatives and swaps, the Fed and Treasury agreed that letting Bear Stearns collapse quickly was a risk not worth taking, because the consequences were simply unknowable.
 
One of my best friend's brothers works for Bear Sterns. He said he's 99% sure that he's out of a job pretty damn soon. The thing that really sucksis that he got a $100,000 bonus last year, but it was all in stocks. He hadn't been at the company long enough to sell the stocks (a policy they have), sohe's now stuck with a pretty $%%$+$ bonus.
 
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