The 2014-2015 NBA Season Thread. Lock It Up Please: The Golden State Warriors Are The Champions

[Deleted member 37467]

Please.

Had that trade not been vetoed you'd be begging your girl to make you CP3 cupcakes this Christmas.

PER is overvalued how, exactly?

It's not perfect, but its a pretty good way to judge a players overall effectiveness.

Also, is win shares an overvalued stat, too? Because CP3 is 3rd all time when it comes to WS/48.

I'm gonna go ahead and need a list of properly valued and overvalued stats so I know what I can and cannot use on here from now on.

 

[xcautionx]

That Chicago air has given Pau life

and still lost... Pau issolid but he's SOFT... esp to be playing in the east. MY DUBBS THO

 

[mister friendly]

Dude I'm not a Lakers fan I just like Kobe

Anything that says David Robinson is the 4th rated Basketball player of all time Im calling b****** on. I remember David Robinson and I don't think he was even the 4th best player in the NBA at any time he played

PER to me just overvalues safe stat collectors the same way Quarterback ratings overvalue safe throws

I might take PER more seriously if they tried to make it like QBR were it tries to value at what time in the game stats occurred but even that could get convoluted

Plus most dudes who talk about PER couldn't calcuate PER but yet they swear by it.

I don't need a stat created by John Hollinger to tell me who's a great player, I'll just watch the games

 

[mister friendly]

Neil Johnston is ranked 6th all time in Win shares per 48 and your point is?

 

[sea manup]

 

Considering that the only players who have a career PER higher than CP3 are MJ, LeBron, Shaq, Wilt and David Robinson, I'd say he's top 5 pretty easily.

No.

Magic, Zeke, Stockton, Big O, Kidd, Payton, Walt Frazier > CP3

nash, westbrook, cousy.

i do like that people are starting to build cp0 up again as a perfect setup for his eventual round 2 exit 

better start thinking of excuses now so you guys have some original ones come playoff time 

 

[senorroboto2k5]

PER is overvalued how, exactly?

It's not perfect, but its a pretty good way to judge a players overall effectiveness.

It is a good judge and a worthwhile number, but it can also be overvalued when you have guys looking up top PERs then jumping to some "top 5" conclusion like

Considering that the only players who have a career PER higher than CP3 are MJ, LeBron, Shaq, Wilt and David Robinson, I'd say he's top 5 pretty easily.

 

[Deleted member 37467]

David Robinson was NEVER a top 4 player in the NBA?

LOL.

PER is overvalued how, exactly?

It's not perfect, but its a pretty good way to judge a players overall effectiveness.

It is a good judge and a worthwhile number, but it can also be overvalued when you have guys looking up top PERs then jumping to some "top 5" conclusion like

Considering that the only players who have a career PER higher than CP3 are MJ, LeBron, Shaq, Wilt and David Robinson, I'd say he's top 5 pretty easily.

We're talking about PG's, not overall.

Even if you don't think CP3 is Top 5, there's literally no way he's outside of the Top 10 and considering the other 9 guys on that list would all be retired, I think he's in pretty good company.

Neil Johnston is ranked 6th all time in Win shares per 48 and your point is?

I guess it means he was pretty good, right?

Dude avg 20/11, won a ring and he's in the HOF.

But I guess we have no way of really knowing how good he was because he died in 1978 and we have no way of eye testing him, which is the end all be all, apparently.

 

[mister friendly]

When David Robinson played

Jordan
Hakeem
Barkley
Malone
Shaq

Were always better than him

And I'm a Spurs fan too, he was not better than those dudes

 

[Deleted member 37467]

Yea, they were ALWAYS better than him.

Yet he somehow still has an MVP, DPOY, led the league in scoring, blocks, rebounds...

I don't even like dude, but let's be serious.

 

[senorroboto2k5]

Considering that the only players who have a career PER higher than CP3 are MJ, LeBron, Shaq, Wilt and David Robinson, I'd say he's top 5 pretty easily.

We're talking about PG's, not overall.

Even if you don't think CP3 is Top 5, there's literally no way he's outside of the Top 10 and considering the other 9 guys on that list would all be retired, I think he's in pretty good company.

What? You're all over the place. That's your quote naming a shooting guard, a small forward, and three centers.

But yes, no doubt CP3 is a great player and should be up there in whatever/whoever's rankings. I just meant that citing his PER isn't really the end-all, be-all proof. It's an indicator of him belonging somewhere around there, sure.

 

[Deleted member 37467]

No I'm not, your reading comprehension just isn't all that great.

Here, I'll help you out: go back and start reading SLOWLY from post #26656 and it should all make sense to you.

 

[HIM]

bruh these clippers commentators saying cp3 the best ever lmaoo. bruh.

Dat dere comprehension.

Brian Siemen asked Mike Smith if he's ever seen a better PG than CP3.Mike Smith, the homer, said Magic was better but CP3 is the best PG he's seen since he started broadcasting. I think he's been broadcasting for like 10 years.

I hate Mike Smith as much as you guys but the reaching is outrageous on here.

 

[mister friendly]

You dont remember how he got that scoring title

Dude played almost the whole game against the horrible Clippers and the Spurs were intentionally fouling to get the ball back quicker

Fraudulent

Then the next year when he won the NBA MVP and got exposed by Hakeem

Dude stayed letting down San Antonio til Tim Duncan came

 

[senorroboto2k5]

No I'm not, your reading comprehension just isn't all that great.

Here, I'll help you out: go back and start reading SLOWLY from post #26656 and it should all make sense to you.

Now I see, my mistake. It's late, I got thrown off by the quote.

You don't gotta be a **** about the reading comprehension though, I'm sure you've misread a thing or two before

 

[Deleted member 37467]

Who doesn't remember how he got the scoring title?

Oh no, he got exposed by Hakeem! What big man hasn't?

Dude might be the greatest C of all time, it's not really a big deal.

 

[mister friendly]

My point he was never better than Jordan, Hakeem, Barkley, Malone or Shaq at any time of his career

Ewing didn't get exposed by Hakeem

Hakeem might be the greatest center of all time?..Did like Wilt, Bill and Kareem never existed


Robinson was a really good center but really overvalued by PER

 

[Deleted member 37467]

Ewing didn't get exposed by Hakeem?

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Dude held him to 36% from the field, might wanna go back and re-watch that.

And yea, he's pretty easily in the discussion for GOAT C's.

You named a whopping 3 guys who you think are better, oh no.

 

[xcautionx]

goats generally exist in fans minds by the generations/decades they grew up watching.... I mean CP3 as one of the best ever pg's ever??? I don't see it....

 

[buc em]

I don't play fantasy basketball but MCW must be a fantasy gawd

We've literally done everything possible to tank away this season and the Pistons (who are actually trying to win) still are only a game ahead of us in the standings. What the hell is SVG doing over there?

 

[mister friendly]

I don't need to re watch a 20 year NBA Finals to know Ewing didn't get exposed like Robinson did

I named 3 guys who are absolutely better than Hakeem

It's like me saying Kobe might be the greatest shooting guard of all time and then somebody's says Michael Jordan then I say "it's only whopping one dude better than him"

...Yeah it's one dude who is absolutely better than him, it's same way those guys are absolutely better than Hakeem and same way those guys I named better were better than Robinson

Anyways I'm out for tonight you can go play bored games semantics with someone else

 

[Deleted member 37467]

So, which is it? He wasn't exposed, or he wasn't exposed like David Robinson? Because now you're just spewing bollocks because you were proved wrong.

Just stop, go to bed, regroup and come back tomorrow when you're fresh.

Those guys are not "absolutely" better than Hakeem.

I also never said he was the GOAT, I said he MIGHT be, as in, he's in the discussion.

 

[dacomeup]

I don't play fantasy basketball but MCW must be a fantasy gawd

We've literally done everything possible to tank away this season and the Pistons (who are actually trying to win) still are only a game ahead of us in the standings. What the hell is SVG doing over there?

If your league is big on FG% and turnovers, then nope.

 

[Peep Game]

Absolutely better.

LOL.

 

[offset pow clow]

Wilt, kareem & bill better than hakeem?

based off what?

Are we going by career achievements or just a pure basketball player standpoint

Skill wise theyre not better than hakeem

 

[dchozn1]

My starting lineup all time would have Hakeem at the five. Hakeem in terms of overall skillset is the GOAT. Post game was insane, had a mid range jumper, could take any center off the dribble, great rebounder and defender, He was just an athletic, highly skilled center.  He may not have the stats of Wilt or Kareem, but Hakeem would run circles around them guys IMO.