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Originally Posted by JamesOnNT

bigmike is the biggest homer here.

jj and shelden were good examples.


QFT... this dude hates duke/K more than UNC fans... Quite Comical actually tho
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I cant even take someone serious...who says JJ came into Duke and left the same way..like if u never watched enough duke games to even notice then why speak onit. Dude went from a strictly three point threat. to money 15 footers,takin it to the rack, and *clay davis voice* shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii..heeven found a lil runner his sr. year. he is easily one of the greatest scorers of our era (college basketball wise)

dudes is jus haters for no damn reason.
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AP Top 25
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2Connecticut0-016610
3Louisville0-016380
4UCLA0-014870
5Pittsburgh0-013190
6Michigan State0-013110
7Texas0-012590
8Duke0-012500
9Notre Dame0-012430
10Gonzaga0-011620
11Purdue0-010990
12Oklahoma0-09870
13Memphis0-09770
14Tennessee0-09200
15Arizona State0-06450
16Marquette0-05920
17Miami (Fla.)0-05700
18Southern California0-04140
19Florida0-04030
20Davidson0-03470
21Wake Forest0-03120
22Georgetown0-03110
23Villanova0-02560
24Kansas0-02330
25Wisconsin0-01960
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"Coach Williams told me that they have one scholarship left for 2009 and 2010, and I'm the only one they are offering," Barnes told Rivals.com. "He said I'm their number one priority."
 
Gillispie offers inside glimpse? Get out

I came to watch the University of Kentucky men's basketball practice, but I had just one question:

"Who's the other team out there?"

No other team, I was informed. They're all Wildcats. Nineteen dressed for practice yesterday, with Ramon Harris sitting out.

Sound and fury. That's what you can call UK basketball practice. At one point early on, head coach Billy Gillispie had his backcourt players running through drills at one end of the Craft Center practice court. There were as many players on that half of the court as he had on last season's entire team.

It's a rare glimpse. Pat Forde, now of ESPN.com, said the last UK practice he attended was before a game at Louisiana State in 1992, when he was the UK beat writer for this newspaper.

"Practice used to be open (to the media) the day before the game," he said. "But (former coach Rick) Pitino was changing the offense the day before LSU and he closed it, and I guess he thought it worked so well that it's been closed ever since."

Until yesterday, when a gaggle of media to rival a presidential candidate's press following squeezed along the wall by the court or up in an observation balcony for one frantic hour.

The first thing I saw upon walking through the door was a sad sight. Just to the right of the door, a folding black stool with a padded seat sat empty. On it, a Post-it note that read: "Mr. Keightley's chair. Please do not move or sit in it. Thank you, The Managers."

I had trouble finding Gillispie at first, until I realized he liked to get in the middle of the action. In some half-court sets, he'd have to duck when a guard reversed the ball. Sometimes he stayed on one knee, looking into the middle of the defense.

His most-frequently uttered words in the hour I saw? "Get out."

As in, get off the court. As in, stand off to the side and think about it. By my count, there were seven "get out" orders in 40 minutes, including this exchange with DeAndre Liggins:

"Get out," Gillispie said. "Jump to the ball and help your teammate."

"My fault," Liggins said, getting back into position.

"I know it is," Gillispie said. "Get out. Go."

It's the advantage of having dozens of players, or however many Gillispie had in those endless runs up the court. There's always someone else to put in.

In general yesterday, it was the newcomers who were getting out the most.

Gillispie caught freshman Darius Miller at the end of a fast break.

"That's as hard as you're gonna run?" the coach said. "That's as hard as you've got? Get out."

Again, on defense, he caught him, not fighting through a screen.

"You're going to the outside of every screen," Gillispie told him. "Get out."

Kevin Galloway passed to the wing to a player standing on the sideline, not one on his team. I didn't even notice; there were 42 guys out there. Gillispie noticed.

"How could you not know who's in the game?" Gillispie said. "Tell me."

It was the second time Gillispie stopped play for Galloway. Earlier, he didn't like something Galloway had done, and when Jodie Meeks said something to the coach, Gillispie turned and said, "If he's gonna play that soft, he's not gonna play."

It was high-energy, constant-motion and heavily drill-oriented with some scrimmaging thrown in. Aggravated at Jared Carter for bringing the ball down in the post, he ordered the other players to "take it away from him, every time." The next time Carter got the ball, Patrick Patterson mugged him.

Play didn't stop just because the ball rolled out of bounds. Players dived after it, put it back into play and went on.

This is a far different UK team than you saw last season. It is more athletic and deeper and should be just as hard-nosed. Liggins and Galloway might not be where Gillispie wants them yet, but they will be. A. J. Stewart and Perry Stevenson are stronger. On the last play I saw, Galloway tossed the ball out, not to a teammate, but to Gillispie. The coach just caught it and shook his head.

I'd tell you what he said, but the order came just then:

Get out.

BG
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Originally Posted by Seymore CAKE

Originally Posted by JamesOnNT

bigmike is the biggest homer here.

jj and shelden were good examples.


QFT... this dude hates duke/K more than UNC fans... Quite Comical actually tho
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when do i go out of my way to hate on duke? yall reaching big time most times i say something its to talk +*#@ about u and dre
 
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at Allen

I would have loved Roscoe but if Roy thinks Barnes is the best fit for the team than thats straight with me...
 
Can't go wrong with either one..

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If given the choice, most coaches would rather scrimmage against another D-1 school rather than play an exhibition game against, say, American International(that's who UConn plays on Nov. 5) or Panhandle State (Oklahoma's opponent on the same day).

But some don't have the option and have orders from above because they will pack the stands and that brings in a decent amount of revenue.

Others, like Villanova's Jay Wright, will play one scrimmage (this weekend against George Washington) and also play an exhibition (Nov. 6 vs. Northwood andex-'Nova coach, Rollie Massimino).

Wright wasn't allowed about the specific scrimmage, but said that they certainly have their advantages.

``We can control the situation and we can get a very competitive workout that will simulate a Big East game," he said.

Here are the primary advantages:
1) The competition is usually superior
2) You can tailor it to how you want (meaning you can play more than 40 minutes, you can agree to work on specific situations, etc.)

The main downside, however, is that there is no live crowd.

The NCAA doesn't want these so-called "secret" scrimmages out in the public domain, but I'm going to let you in on basically the entireslate:

Friday

Columbia at Rider
Western Carolina at Presbyterian

Saturday

Davidson at Texas
Arizona State at New Mexico
Memphis at St. Louis
Virginia Tech and Georgetown
George Washington at Villanova
Wake Forest at South Carolina
Portland State at Washington State
Fairfield at Boston College
College of Charleston at Georgia Tech
Creighton at Iowa State
Clemson at Georgia
UNC Wilmington at Charlotte
Santa Clara at California
Wichita State at Kansas State
Wyoming at Washington
Rutgers at UMass
Utah at Colorado
West Virginia at Virginia
DePaul at Iowa
Drexel at St. John's
Akron at Xavier
Fordham at Seton Hall
Nevada at Saint Mary's
Chattanooga at Auburn
Cleveland State at Eastern Michigan
Eastern Illinois at Illinois-Chicago
Princeton at Marist
Cal State Fullerton at San Diego State
Long Island at Albany
Liberty at East Carolina
Cornell at Hartford
UT Arlington at SMU
Sacramento State at San Jose State
Mount St. Mary's at UMBC
Sacred Heart and Brown
Lipscomb at Murray State
Iona at Holy Cross
Army at Yale
Wofford at Winthrop
St. Francis (Pa.) at Towson
St. Francis (NY) at St. Peter's
Florida International at Central Florida
Southeast Louisiana at Southern Mississippi
Lafayette at Monmouth
UTEP vs. Lamar on neutral court

Sunday

Vanderbilt at North Carolina
Marquette at Nebraska
LSU at Tulane
Ohio State at Miami (Ohio)
Kent State at Michigan
Siena at Colgate
Campbell at Coastal Carolina
American at Richmond
Valparaiso at Northwestern
St. Bonaventure at Buffalo
Long Beach State at San Diego
Stony Brook at Central Connecticut State
Nicholls State at South Alabama
Tennessee Tech vs. Arkansas-Little Rock at neutral site
Stetson vs. Georgia Southern in Jacksonville
 
FOXSports.com has learned that Xavier freshman point guard Mark Lyons won't be eligible to play this season after being ruled a partial qualified by theNCAA.

This may not seem like a big deal, but it could alter the landscape of the A-10 race - if Indiana transfer Jordan Crawford doesn't receive a waiver fromthe NCAA to play this season.

If coach Sean Miller doesn't have Lyons or Crawford, he'll have to rely on freshman point guard Terrell Holloway as basically his lone floor leader.

That may be a bit much to ask - even with a team that has virtually all the pieces around him - Derrick Brown, wings C.J. Anderson and B.J. Raymond andfreshman big man Kenny Frease.

Lyons will be able to practice with the team this season.
 
Originally Posted by allen3xis

FOXSports.com has learned that Xavier freshman point guard Mark Lyons won't be eligible to play this season after being ruled a partial qualified by the NCAA.

This may not seem like a big deal, but it could alter the landscape of the A-10 race - if Indiana transfer Jordan Crawford doesn't receive a waiver from the NCAA to play this season.

If coach Sean Miller doesn't have Lyons or Crawford, he'll have to rely on freshman point guard Terrell Holloway as basically his lone floor leader.

That may be a bit much to ask - even with a team that has virtually all the pieces around him - Derrick Brown, wings C.J. Anderson and B.J. Raymond and freshman big man Kenny Frease.

Lyons will be able to practice with the team this season.
anyone care to explain?
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NCAA lets dude practice but not play
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Jay Bilas


• It may be unfair to separate players into "major" and "mid-major" the way that we do, but I still haven't heard anyone put forth abetter alternative. Here are the best "mid-major" players you will see this season: Stephen Curry (Davidson), Patrick Mills (St. Mary's), LesterHudson (UT Martin), Matt Howard (Butler), Edwin Ubiles (Siena), Louis Dale (Cornell), Ryan Thompson (Rider), Brandon Johnson (San Diego), Diamon Simpson (St.Mary's), Cedric Jackson (Cleveland State) and Al Fisher (Kent State).

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Montgomery returns to Pac-10 with Cal

Thursday, October 30, 2008 | Print Entry

Posted by Andy Katz
BERKELEY, Calif. -- Mike Montgomery thought he had it all figured out.

He was done with college basketball. He had a remarkable 18-year run at Stanford that put the Cardinal in the national elite, a Final Four appearance in 1998,a No. 1 ranking in 2004, 16 NCAA berths, a 70-percent win clip, a plethora of pros that came through the Maples Pavilion doors. He received the prestigiousJohn Wooden "Legends of Coaching" Lifetime Achievement award.

"I felt like I had retired from college basketball," said Montgomery. "That was my thought process."

He had moved on to the NBA. He didn't have to move from his Bay Area home, accepting a lucrative offer from the Golden State Warriors.

The run lasted two seasons. For a man who prided himself on being at one of the nation's true academic-athletic institutions, failing at something wasunacceptable.

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After a failed stint in the NBA, Mike Montgomery is back to his familiar stomping ground in the Pac-10 with a Bay Area team, though this time he'll bepacing the sidelines for Cal.
"You don't like being told you can't do something," Montgomery said. "You don't like being told you've failed at something. Andwhether you've failed or not, you're no longer the coach. It took me awhile to get over that."

Montgomery said he got the NBA itch as an assistant on the World Championship team, even though it was the same team that began a downward spiral of the USAbasketball program when the U.S. finished a disappointing sixth in the 2002 event in Indianapolis.

But the plan was to make sure he was prepared for the gig. He said his plan was to ensure he paid attention to the NBA game.

"Quite frankly, I'm not sure I ever watched it on television. I always turned college basketball on," Montgomery said.

The problem Montgomery encountered in the NBA was how to handle the players.

"You don't know exactly how to act, how to approach the guys," Montgomery said. "How strong should you be? Should it be [Don] Nelson'slaid-back approach or [Mike] Dunleavy's hard-nosed approach? The key is getting the opportunity to play hard for you. At the point you figure it out, theplayers have given up on you."

So, too, did the Warriors' administration, as Montgomery learned quite quickly.

"They courted Nelson all summer and I didn't know and that bothered me," Montgomery said of his 68-96 record in two seasons with the Warriors."Once I got over that, and got it all out of my system, I was fine and pushed on."

Had Montgomery lasted in the NBA at least five years, as was his plan, there's no way he would be where he is sitting today: at Stanford's most hatedrival, Cal.

But here he is, sitting in his office at Haas Pavilion, his window overlooking the outdoor pool, plotting practice for the next day for a team that will berebuilding within the unforgiving Pac-10.

Montgomery is wearing the traditional deep blue of Cal and thinks nothing of the change in wardrobe from Cardinal to Cal's Yale blue and gold. While theCal and Stanford fans have their own Red Sox-Yankee issues (true story: a friend's mother is such a Cal partisan that she once asked her daughter'sfriend to get out of the car when she talked up how much she liked Stanford), Montgomery has no problem changing allegiances.

"It's not odd at all, not at all," Montgomery said. "It's a different office, different kids and a different way of doing things.It's all about this stuff [pointing to the drawn-up drills on his desk], getting ready for practice and putting in a new set and teaching it."

Montgomery said he never would have gone directly from Stanford to Cal. There would have been no reason. He considered himself to have one of the top jobs inthe country at Stanford.

"We were No. 1 in the country, a No. 1 seed, 30-1 [prior to losing in the NCAAs], we were pretty good," Montgomery said of the Cardinal in 2004.

Montgomery once talked to UCLA while he was at Stanford, but at that time he had the Cardinal along with Arizona positioned as the team to beat in the league.

He wasn't leaving for another college gig until the NBA called. So don't get him started about moving across the Bay, which he literally did becausethe drive time from the Berkeley area to Palo Alto is well over an hour with traffic -- each way.

"I understand people making a big deal out of it, but when I was at Stanford I didn't hate Cal," Montgomery said. "It will be more differentfor the people at Stanford than it would be for me."

The reason Montgomery had soured a bit on college hoops was recruiting. He was quick to speak up at coaches' meetings. But he was admittedly immune atStanford. The Cardinal dealt primarily with players who were part of a traditional family structure and Montgomery didn't have to go through middlemen toget to a player. He dealt with two-family parents and high school coaches. He'll have to branch out a bit at Cal. He knows it. He doesn't like therecruiting business but he accepts it.

He brought his son, John, on staff with him and is conscious that he doesn't want to be too negative about the business.

"I don't know if anything can be done, I'm not sure anyone cares, with a $6 billion contract [with CBS and the NCAA for the tournamentrights]," Montgomery said. "I like to talk to a kid, his parents and talk about education but that's the last thing that is going on. I'mtrying to do it the right way, the way that's right for me."

While Montgomery healed his bruised ego from the Warriors, he did Bay Area television work and had an office at Stanford working as an assistant to athleticdirector Bob Bowlsby. He said his former assistant, Trent Johnson, had come to him a few times to see if he wanted his old job back. That's exactly whatJohnson said last month when ESPN.com visited him at LSU. But Montgomery said no. He said he had no idea that Johnson was that unhappy.

I understand people making a big deal out of it, but when I was at Stanford I didn't hate Cal. It will be more different for the people at Stanford than itwould be for me.

--Mike Montgomery

"I wasn't naive, I had heard from some people but I was amazed [that he left]," Montgomery said. Montgomery said he knew nothing aboutJohnson's dealings with LSU after the Cardinal lost to Texas in the Sweet 16. He said he had gone to Bowlsby to push the AD to deal with Johnson'sexpiring contract, something that Johnson said was a reason why he was open to LSU. Johnson said once there was no proactive move by Bowlsby, he was out whenthe lucrative LSU offer arrived.

"I had no idea he was looking or that LSU had come after him," Montgomery said.

A week before Johnson left for Baton Rouge, Montgomery took the Cal job on April 5 after the Bears made him their No. 1 target following the firing of BenBraun.

Montgomery ended up getting the three most visible basketball jobs in the Bay Area, perhaps the most unique occurrence in coaching.

"People here are excited," Montgomery said. "We want to get to the NCAA tournament, recruit great kids and make a run at some nationalrecognition."

When Montgomery took the job, though, he was convinced Ryan Anderson would stay. He didn't, leaving for the NBA and being drafted late in the first roundby New Jersey.

So, Montgomery finds himself teaching everything, down to every single drill, to a team that is devoid of a star.

"Right now it's an educational atmosphere," said fourth-year junior Jamal Boykin, who played for Mike Krzyzewski at Duke, Braun and nowMontgomery in his career. "We're learning about a new way of thinking defensively, offensively. It's a different team, a different offense."

As Montgomery shuffled papers on his desk he remarked that there wasn't a playbook from last year.

"We're pretty much having to do everything and that takes longer," he said.

That's fine. Montgomery has plenty of time now. He's not going anywhere else. This appears to be his last stop.

"In a perfect world the NBA thing would have lasted three, four or five years, I would have gotten a good feel and be done," Montgomery said."But two years was short. I was left unfulfilled."
 
Originally Posted by haiti5

I cant even take someone serious...who says JJ came into Duke and left the same way..like if u never watched enough duke games to even notice then why speak on it. Dude went from a strictly three point threat. to money 15 footers,takin it to the rack, and *clay davis voice* shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii..he even found a lil runner his sr. year. he is easily one of the greatest scorers SHOOTERS of our era (college basketball wise)

dudes is jus haters for no damn reason.
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Louisville almost lost to Georgetown today.

Georgetown (Kentucky).

It was on SNY, only caught a few minutes...I'ma call him Samardo Almonte Samuels...cause that boy is not supposed to be a freshmen. Good god.
 
With the recruiting of Harrison Barnes I have one question:


There are black people in Iowa??????
There are maybe 12 here and two of them are Barnes and Ricky Davis. I seriously hope Harrison stays put here at ISU, but I don't feel likethat will happen. He pretty much has his choice of anywhere he wants to play. He is easily the most sought after basketball recruit ever for the state ofIowa.
 
[h3]Official Basketball Box Score[/h3]
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Official Basketball Box ScoreGEORGETOWN vs LOUISVILLE11/1/08 1:37PM at FREEDOM HALL, LOUISVILLE, KY--------------------------------------------------------------------------------VISITORS: GEORGETOWN 1-0                          TOT-FG  3-PT         REBOUNDS## Player Name            FG-FGA FG-FGA FT-FTA OF DE TOT PF  TP  A TO BLK S MIN12 MOSES, Vic.......... f  3-4    0-0    0-1    2  1  3   5   6  0  0  0  0  2034 CRUTCHER, Vincent... f  6-9    1-2    5-7    1  4  5   4  18  0  3  0  2  2920 GRAHAM, David....... c  4-7    1-2    7-14   2  2  4   4  16  1  4  0  3  3111 TURNER, Jerry....... g  1-6    0-2    2-2    3  5  8   5   4  4  4  0  4  3413 GUIONS, Demetrius... g  0-9    0-4    4-4    3  7 10   5   4  2  5  0  0  2803 WALLS, Matt.........    2-6    1-5    0-0    1  1  2   4   5  1  2  0  0  1604 HAMILTON, Johonne...    0-2    0-1    0-0    1  1  2   0   0  0  0  0  0   615 SAXTON, Kyle........    1-3    0-1    0-0    2  2  4   1   2  1  0  0  0  1222 MOORE, Cheyenne.....    3-12   2-7    4-4    2  5  7   3  12  0  2  0  2  2035 OUEDRAOGO, Abdoulaye    0-0    0-0    0-0    0  0  0   5   0  0  2  0  0   4   TEAM................                            1  1             1   Totals..............   20-58   5-24  22-32  17 29 46  36  67  9 23  0 11 200TOTAL FG% 1st Half: 11-30 36.7%   2nd Half:  9-28 32.1%   Game: 34.5%  DEADB3-Pt. FG% 1st Half:  4-13 30.8%   2nd Half:  1-11  9.1%   Game: 20.8%   REBSF Throw % 1st Half:  4-6  66.7%   2nd Half: 18-26 69.2%   Game: 68.8%    4--------------------------------------------------------------------------------HOME TEAM: LOUISVILLE 0-0                          TOT-FG  3-PT         REBOUNDS## Player Name            FG-FGA FG-FGA FT-FTA OF DE TOT PF  TP  A TO BLK S MIN12 DELK, Reginald...... f  0-4    0-2    2-2    0  0  0   3   2  2  0  0  0  1621 SWOPSHIRE, Jared.... f  3-4    0-0    8-8    2  9 11   1  14  0  1  1  0  1924 SAMUELS, Samardo.... c  3-10   0-0   14-21   2  3  5   1  20  1  4  0  2  2702 KNOWLES, Preston.... g  1-6    1-4    2-4    2  3  5   3   5  2  3  0  4  2333 MCGEE, Andre........ g  3-4    2-3    2-2    0  5  5   1  10  1  2  0  0  2305 CLARK, Earl.........    3-6    1-1    0-1    2  3  5   5   7  1  4  2  2  2110 SOSA, Edgar.........    2-5    0-1    4-8    0  0  0   2   8  1  1  0  1  1914 KURIC, Kyle.........    1-2    0-1    0-0    0  0  0   0   2  2  1  0  1  1320 SCOTT, Will.........    0-1    0-1    0-0    0  0  0   1   0  0  0  0  0   322 GOODE, George.......    0-2    0-0    0-0    1  1  2   1   0  0  1  0  0   423 JENNINGS, Terrence..    0-0    0-0    0-1    0  2  2   2   0  0  0  1  0   934 SMITH, Jerry........    2-2    1-1    1-3    1  1  2   4   6  1  1  0  0  23   TEAM................                                   1   Totals..............   18-46   5-14  33-50  10 27 37  25  74 11 18  4 10 200TOTAL FG% 1st Half: 11-25 44.0%   2nd Half:  7-21 33.3%   Game: 39.1%  DEADB3-Pt. FG% 1st Half:  4-8  50.0%   2nd Half:  1-6  16.7%   Game: 35.7%   REBSF Throw % 1st Half:  9-14 64.3%   2nd Half: 24-36 66.7%   Game: 66.0%    6--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Officials: Mike Roberts, Chris Beaver, Brent HamptonTechnical fouls: GEORGETOWN-None. LOUISVILLE-TEAM.Attendance: 17521Score by Periods                1st  2nd   TotalGEORGETOWN....................   30   37  -   67LOUISVILLE....................   35   39  -   74Points in the paint-GC 22,LOU 22. Points off turnovers-GC 23,LOU 18.2nd chance points-GC 15,LOU 9. Fast break points-GC 10,LOU 5.Bench points-GC 19,LOU 23. Score tied-11 times. Lead changed-10 times.Last FG-GC 2nd-02:00, LOU 2nd-04:54.Largest lead-GC by 4 1st-10:31, LOU by 11 2nd-05:53. louisville should've won by 50, *%%....
 
Originally Posted by JamesOnNT

Are the "results" of these scrimmages gonna pop up somewhere?
prob not, unless some insiders give info...t...the scrimmages between DI schools are behind closed doors...and a lot of times are more likepractices where coaches can work on certain situations.
 
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