The Combat Jack Show Thread

[trynafeelmink]

It's taken everything for me to not comment on this on social media, because i know how things get taken out of context on Twitter. I been seeing a lot of discussion on "Coercion" & i'm gonna keep it a buck i do not like how women who seemingly just had bad judgement/made decisions they regret are being lumped in with women who actually experienced sexual assault.

A dude touching you after you said stop, or pulling their **** out is one thing, a dude trying to leverage his position to get sex is another.

Yes it's a cornball thing to do & it's thirsty & unprofessional, but again that isn't being a "predator" it's just a ***** with no game. It's different if your working for a company & your boss says you have to **** him to keep the job or something along those lines etc etc, then yes that's predator behavior because you've essentially left someone with no choice.

However i'm seeing women speak on **** like party tickets & VIP access, Flights.... just a bunch of non essential things, things that would be considered nice perks. In some of these stories it seemed like the guy was very clear on the intention, and offered up some of those perks in exchange for sex. Some of these women accepted the stipulations, enjoyed the perks they received from it.... and then down the line double back & say they were "coerced" & "tricked" into having sex...... Full on grown woman who were faced with a CHOICE. Completely disregarding any accountability from the interaction. That i can't get behind.

 

[Magic33]

It's taken everything for me to not comment on this on social media, because i know how things get taken out of context on Twitter. I been seeing a lot of discussion on "Coercion" & i'm gonna keep it a buck i do not like how women who seemingly just had bad judgement/made decisions they regret are being lumped in with women who actually experienced sexual assault.

A dude touching you after you said stop, or pulling their **** out is one thing, a dude trying to leverage his position to get sex is another.

Yes it's a cornball thing to do & it's thirsty & unprofessional, but again that isn't being a "predator" it's just a ***** with no game. It's different if your working for a company & your boss says you have to **** him to keep the job or something along those lines etc etc, then yes that's predator behavior because you've essentially left someone with no choice.

However i'm seeing women speak on **** like party tickets & VIP access, Flights.... just a bunch of non essential things, things that would be considered nice perks. In some of these stories it seemed like the guy was very clear on the intention, and offered up some of those perks in exchange for sex. Some of these women accepted the stipulations, enjoyed the perks they received from it.... and then down the line double back & say they were "coerced" & "tricked" into having sex...... Full on grown woman who were faced with a CHOICE. Completely disregarding any accountability from the interaction. That i can't get behind.

Are you speaking on him or yourself, because a lot of the problem is guys make excuses for guys based on themselves.

And how much do you know about his stories, because he has several and they go from threatening not to take chicks home to rape.

 

[Magic33]

So we're going to get an hour of slobbing Drake tomorrow. I'm good on that pod.

 

[trynafeelmink]

Are you speaking on him or yourself, because a lot of the problem is guys make excuses for guys based on themselves.

And how much do you know about his stories, because he has several and they go from threatening not to take chicks home to rape.

This is why i didn't post this on social media, i'm talking about the conversation in general, Not the actions of the Chris guy. What he did was CLEARLY sexual assault/harassment etc etc. He deserves all the consequences that come with that.

However the convo has evolved to a more general discussion & coercion was a big talking point on social media. within that conversation you would think people were talking about a 12 year old kid instead of a fully grown Woman, I'm all for bringing sexual abusers to the light, but i'm also thoroughly against calling someone a predator after you agreed to an exchange, and feel bad about it down the line.

 

[Magic33]

This is why i didn't post this on social media, i'm talking about the conversation in general, Not the actions of the Chris guy. What he did was CLEARLY sexual assault/harassment etc etc. He deserves all the consequences that come with that.

However the convo has evolved to a more general discussion & coercion was a big talking point on social media. within that conversation you would think people were talking about a 12 year old kid instead of a fully grown Woman, I'm all for bringing sexual abusers to the light, but i'm also thoroughly against calling someone a predator after you agreed to an exchange, and feel bad about it down the line.

Hard for us to say, when we are the ones in power.

This subject is like discussing race. The ones who say it doesn't exist, overblown, or it's used as an advantage aren't the ones who have to deal with it. They don't listen to minorities and we don't listen to women.

 

[1stwitit]

This is why i didn't post this on social media, i'm talking about the conversation in general, Not the actions of the Chris guy. What he did was CLEARLY sexual assault/harassment etc etc. He deserves all the consequences that come with that.

However the convo has evolved to a more general discussion & coercion was a big talking point on social media. within that conversation you would think people were talking about a 12 year old kid instead of a fully grown Woman, I'm all for bringing sexual abusers to the light, but i'm also thoroughly against calling someone a predator after you agreed to an exchange, and feel bad about it down the line.

what exchanges are you referencing? I don’t have twitter so I didn’t get to see all of the conversation around it.

 

[trynafeelmink]

Hard for us to say, when we are the ones in power.

This subject is like discussing race. The ones who say it doesn't exist, overblown, or it's used as an advantage aren't the ones who have to deal with it. They don't listen to minorities and we don't listen to women.

You can listen to someone and also give feedback & differing opinions. That's something social media has started where anything but full blown support and agreement is considered "gaslighting" or being a detractor.

I don't think anyone is denying how often sexual misconduct & assault happens, That is not tied into my point, that a man being a cornball & lame should not be grouped in with being a sexual predator. Two very different things & social media is playing a very dangerous game throwing that on people & holding court in public.

I've seen things go as far as women saying they were deceived into sex/ mentally raped because a man lied about his relationship status, or pretended to be a nicer guy then he actually was. do you not see how insane that sounds & negates all responsibility of a woman to vet & trust the person she decides to have sex with

 

[trynafeelmink]

what exchanges are you referencing? I don’t have twitter so I didn’t get to see all of the conversation around it.

The bigger convo has been around Party promoters and how some of them use their small influence to have sex with Women.

In Chris case he wasn't just asking, he was touching, whipping his **** out, harrassing women thru text, inviting woman to the function & not taking no for an answer.

However i seen other examples where a chick is trying to get into a sold out show/party... host says i can't do nothing unless you **** me. This is some real desperate corny **** to say & it's disrespectful yes, but is that guy a predator?

Especially when the woman agrees to it, enjoys said function & then years down the line doubles back to say she was abused.... as if she had no kind of choice whether or not to accept the offer, only consequence of saying no would have been not getting into a concert.

 

[Magic33]

You can listen to someone and also give feedback & differing opinions. That's something social media has started where anything but full blown support and agreement is considered "gaslighting" or being a detractor.

I don't think anyone is denying how often sexual misconduct & assault happens, That is not tied into my point, that a man being a cornball & lame should not be grouped in with being a sexual predator. Two very different things & social media is playing a very dangerous game throwing that on people & holding court in public.

I've seen things go as far as women saying they were deceived into sex/ mentally raped because a man lied about his relationship status, or pretended to be a nicer guy then he actually was. do you not see how insane that sounds & negates all responsibility of a woman to vet & trust the person she decides to have sex with

The issue is that men often try to define what coercion, assault and rape are.

And then making a rare event, a woman lying in to the norm.

 

[str8drop]

However i seen other examples where a chick is trying to get into a sold out show/party... host says i can't do nothing unless you **** me. This is some real desperate corny **** to say & it's disrespectful yes, but is that guy a predator?

I mean if you replace "sold out show" with Film/Movie, this is basically what Harvey Weinstein was doing

Both situations are using power dynamics and dangling access to something "exclusive"....

 

[Mark Antony]

It's a situation I'll never experience or react to the same so I can't dictate how someone who constantly is should feel and react, especially when they've made it overwhelmingly clear at this point which direction they lean in. It's not our place to define.

 

[trynafeelmink]

I mean if you replace "sold out show" with Film/Movie, this is basically what Harvey Weinstein was doing

Both situations are using power dynamics and dangling access to something "exclusive"....

that was a PART of what Harvey Weinstein was doing, he was actually groping women, touching them, loking them in rooms, exposing himself etc etc... That ***** is definitely a predator No doubt.

And i guess this is where the large interpretation of Coercion becomes a problem, there has been to wide of an array of definitions & actions involved. I've seen it used in everything from actual boss to employee scenarios..... all the way to a man attempting to make a move during a netflix & chill vibe (AND STOPPED ONCE TOLD NO).

there's a huge difference between a dude like Weinstein & a dude who misreads a situation & goes for in too close for a hug or tries to put his hand somewhere & stops once he's denied. and from the way it's playing out it looks like they're lumping everything together.

And in terms of the power dynamics that is true in situation where a woman is given no choice, but if an adult woman willingly decides to trade sex for that exclusive thing then that dynamic is gone. it is now a transaction where both parties traded their "exclusivity" for something they deemed valuable.

 

[nawghtyhare]

The issue is that men often try to define what coercion, assault and rape are.

And then making a rare event, a woman lying in to the norm.

It’s not rare
Not saying it’s the norm
But ain’t THAT rare

And no it’s pretty clear what sexual assault
And rape is
The definition is clear as day

 

[str8drop]

that was a PART of what Harvey Weinstein was doing, he was actually groping women, touching them, loking them in rooms, exposing himself etc etc... That ***** is definitely a predator No doubt.

And i guess this is where the large interpretation of Coercion becomes a problem, there has been to wide of an array of definitions & actions involved. I've seen it used in everything from actual boss to employee scenarios..... all the way to a man attempting to make a move during a netflix & chill vibe (AND STOPPED ONCE TOLD NO).

there's a huge difference between a dude like Weinstein & a dude who misreads a situation & goes for in too close for a hug or tries to put his hand somewhere & stops once he's denied. and from the way it's playing out it looks like they're lumping everything together.

And in terms of the power dynamics that is true in situation where a woman is given no choice, but if an adult woman willingly decides to trade sex for that exclusive thing then that dynamic is gone. it is now a transaction where both parties traded their "exclusivity" for something they deemed valuable.

You right that is just a part of what he was doing but it was a consistent part of his predatory behavior. He was constantly seeing what he could use his power to get away with. Overall, I feel like you’re conflating a lot of different stuff here tho.

If I prey on somebody and they give in, that mean I'm not a predator?

I think we underestimating the power of coercion as well. It's not about literally "having no choice".

Look at the high pressure sales _'s.

They can make people feel like saying "Yes" to whatever it is they proposing is the easiest way out of that situation/interaction. Then with a clearer head, after the fact, you realize you agreed to some **** you really didn't want.

 

[trynafeelmink]

You right that is just a part of what he was doing but it was a consistent part of his predatory behavior. He was constantly seeing what he could use his power to get away with. Overall, I feel like you’re conflating a lot of different stuff here tho.

If I prey on somebody and they give in, that mean I'm not a predator?

I think we underestimating the power of coercion as well. It's not about literally "having no choice".

Look at the high pressure sales _'s. They can make people feel like saying "Yes" to whatever it is they proposing is the easiest way out of that situation/interaction. Then with a clearer head, after the fact, you realize you agreed to some **** you really didn't want.

That's because the definition of Coercion has been erased in these convos & replaced by an extremely conflated, wide ranged scope of behaviors & actions. That is my point, i've seen at least 6-7 instances that are COMPLETELY different and seen them thrown under coercion.

And again due to how conflated the convo is we have to reiterate what "preying is. Because i've seen both described as "predators"

Ex 1. Dude goes with his homies to the club with intention #1 being to slide something for the night, throughout the night he holla's at different joints, but he locks in on 1. During the Convo he "gaming" her, maybe said he made more money then he actually did, lied about his BM etc etc. At the end of the night shorty feelin him & they both consent to sex

Ex 2. Dude goes out with the intention of solely getting P for the night, but consent is an afterthought. He is looking for the drunk girl at the club, buying her more shots. Offering her drugs etc etc. End of the night realizing she's wasted he tries to take advantage of her.

Now obviously one is questionable behavior, manipulative Yes... but it isn't a crime.
The other is clearly a rapist & someone who is taking choice into their own hand.

there's a difference between being an ******* & a rapist, No manipulation isn't a good trait... but people get manipulated by different industries daily, not just sexually, but financially, mentally, emotionally. Manipulation isn't a crime in fact it's promoted in this country.

So to your point about high pressure sales, Yes years down the line you could realize you agreed to some **** that you didn't want to, but that is nobody's fault but your own. You had an option & as a fully functional adult you allowed yourself to be manipulated by another fully functioning adult.

Woman stating they were "mentally raped" or "emotionally assaulted" because they WILLINGLY gave up ***** to a dude they later learned was feeding them lies is wild and downplays what rape actually is & completely disregards the expectations of an adult to protect themselves from manipulative people.

 

[Magic33]

It’s not rare
Not saying it’s the norm
But ain’t THAT rare

And no it’s pretty clear what sexual assault
And rape is
The definition is clear as day

In comparison to the number of women who are assaulted, raped and harassed it is.

The majority don't come forward.

 

[nawghtyhare]

In comparison to the number of women who are assaulted, raped and harassed it is.

The majority don't come forward.

Same with men
And yes I’m comparing

 

[Magic33]

Same with men
And yes I’m comparing

Some of you dudes tell on yourselves

 

[Maximus Meridius]

It's tricky because people are extra sensitive these days. People don't know when to separate a man that's a creep and 2 grown consenting people doing what they do. IG is full of women exchanging p**** for things. All these chicks tryna get flewd out. They know what's going down when they land.

Now this Chris dude just seem like a lame, one of them creeps but people gotta start being real clear and not put every situation in the same box.

 

[trynafeelmink]

It's tricky because people are extra sensitive these days. People don't know when to separate a man that's a creep and 2 grown consenting people doing what they do. IG is full of women exchanging p**** for things. All these chicks tryna get flewd out. They know what's going down when they land.

Now this Chris dude just seem like a lame, one of them creeps but people gotta start being real clear and not put every situation in the same box.

EXACTLY this,

In those situations where they are willingly exchanging ***** for some valuable i'm not trying to hear that somehow she isn't accountable for her decision & instead it's all on the man coercing & tricking her into sex.

Also the same segment of Twitter will champion this Hot Girl/City Girl mentality & Say sex work is liberating for women etc etc. And completely ignore How that mentality is also predatory & Coercing, the same way men are preying & coercing them for sex they are preying on & coercing men financially.

 

[jr paperstacks]

There’s a difference in a livelihood and a party. Weinstein was so powerful that women might never be able to make a movie, period, if you don’t do what he says.

Getting into whatever party or in whoever’s section doesn’t have the same consequences. Also, these women aren’t dumb. They know what that is. He crossed the line into assault, but most women know he’s not doing that because he’s nice guy. He obviously isn’t and doesn’t even pretend to be. He attempted a transaction, got denied, felt cheated and owed and then assaulted/started acting like the d-head he is.

He has something they want and they were fine with using him for that thing. He tried to get what he wanted from them and assaulted them, in the process. as i understand it. I can’t see how that’s coercion. It didn’t even seem like he brought up the fact that he could do or did do anything for them. I admittedly did not read it all though.

Typical lame party dude who thinks he’s more important than he is.

 

[nawghtyhare]

Some of you dudes tell on yourselves

im not telling on nothing
just tryna be honest
real life ****
without doing too much
and acting like all dudes are scum bags
cause we not
i hate this new narrative that all dudes are bad
and women are innocent
and dont have to account for ANY of their behavior
and its the dudes thats always in the wrong

 

[Magic33]

There’s a difference in a livelihood and a party. Weinstein was so powerful that women might never be able to make a movie, period, if you don’t do what he says.

Getting into whatever party or in whoever’s section doesn’t have the same consequences. Also, these women aren’t dumb. They know what that is. He crossed the line into assault, but most women know he’s not doing that because he’s nice guy. He obviously isn’t and doesn’t even pretend to be. He attempted a transaction, got denied, felt cheated and owed and then assaulted/started acting like the d-head he is.

He has something they want and they were fine with using him for that thing. He tried to get what he wanted from them and assaulted them, in the process. as i understand it. I can’t see how that’s coercion. It didn’t even seem like he brought up the fact that he could do or did do anything for them. I admittedly did not read it all though.

Typical lame party dude who thinks he’s more important than he is.

Do you know what coercion is?

So if some guy you were cool with and you went to hang out and smoke and you're in his car. Suddenly at the end he says give me $50. You didn't know he was going to charge you, and you say no. He says, well I'm leaving you here in the middle of the night then. What is that?

And that doesn't even include the physical intimidation that a man naturally has over a woman.

A man has natural power, not just position or financial. It's amazing some of you don't see that.

And again some of you dudes need to stop defending dude, because there's several stories about him that lead that include an allegation of rape.

 

[Magic33]

im not telling on nothing
just tryna be honest
real life ****
without doing too much
and acting like all dudes are scum bags
cause we not
i hate this new narrative that all dudes are bad
and women are innocent
and dont have to account for ANY of their behavior
and its the dudes thats always in the wrong

When did all dudes become bad?

So do dudes rape women? And don't you think that makes up the majority, real occurrences of rape.

Can you admit that without saying, well women do it too.

And I really hope you don't have daughters and karma doesn't hit you and you learn how really real this **** is for women.

 

[nawghtyhare]

So dude dudes rape women?

i never said they didnt

When did all dudes become bad?

i said ACTING
when stuff like this happens
women and other men
act like all men are "nasty"
they say men as a generalization
thats all im saying
as an example
joe and them were kinda lumping all men in whatever category