If he's a big fan, why did he kill his mother?
And actually.....if they don't make the machine til 2021, then Barry didn't even get his powers when he does, and his mother wasn't even murdered yet, by Thawne, so.......
Never mind. Too confuse.
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If he's a big fan, why did he kill his mother?
And actually.....if they don't make the machine til 2021, then Barry didn't even get his powers when he does, and his mother wasn't even murdered yet, by Thawne, so.......
Never mind. Too confuse.
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When trying to replicate Flash' power it affected his mind and he went a bit nuts. He traveled back in time to meet Barry (his idol) but something happened and he was sent to the wrong time where Barry was already dead and not only that but travelling through time also made his mind even more unstable. In that time, there were reports of Flash killing Professor Zoom and then revealed to be named Eobard Thawne as Prof Zoom and that pretty much pushed him over the edge and became a villain.
As for the show, Barry was likely much older and has mastered his powers more when he and Eobard battled and went back in time. He is now training Barry to harness it all faster while before Barry likely had to learn it all by himself so it would take longer.
Time travel can be really confusing especially since there are different set of rules depending on who is writing it and there will be inconsistencies and holes no matter how you do it.
As for the show, Barry was likely much older and has mastered his powers more when he and Eobard battled and went back in time. He is now training Barry to harness it all faster while before Barry likely had to learn it all by himself so it would take longer.
Time travel can be really confusing especially since there are different set of rules depending on who is writing it and there will be inconsistencies and holes no matter how you do it.
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I'm saying though he doesnt need his memories at all. he has his AI and he is already a genius. as far as family goes who says he needs to talk them at all? he could just pretend to be sad about the wifes death and just shut out everyone. plus a few episodes back when joe started to question him he says wells went pretty much off the grid after the car accident.
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Thanks for the explanations but that raises so much more questions View media item 1474866
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I can only make this comparison, you know how Kang is from the far future and has conquered numerous timelines but every now and then still goes back in time and finds himself against the Avengers? I'd assume it's like that on a lower level.Okay I thought I had this all figured out until I saw this thread and that chart. Now I'm confused AF
One big burning question I did have though (forgive me if it's been answered already): If Thawne is from that far in the future, how is he still the enemy of Barry? How is Barry still alive to face off against Thawne centuries later? I never read the comics and I'm not a big DC fan (Marvel fanboy here) so I'm not familiar with the Flash at all. Did he get the ability to live past a normal life cycle when he got the Flash powers? Or an alternative explanation could be that Thawne just went back in time from his period, met future Flash, faced off, then went even further to kill kid Barry. But if that's the explanation, why did Thawne even go back in the first place????
I highly doubt Barry has lived that long to still be Thawne's enemy. So I have to assume for w/e reason Thawne keeps going to the past when Barry is older to face him. Maybe he time traveled by accident (or to meet the first speedster) and got hyped to meet the Flash then they had a falling out. Thawne may have the personality and thought process that because he's a speedster he's better than everyone else and can do w/e he wants. Maybe a GOD complex. Thinks Barry should be the same way, they fight (you know the typical plot for something like that), and now Thawne sees him as an archenemy so he keeps going back in time finding ways to beat/kill Barry until he comes up with the plan to kill him when he was a kid but future Barry stops that too.
But I could be wrong about all that since I too don't read Flash comics. I think it'd be even more wild if speed powers gives you immortality in some way though
Nah that's just reaching.
He needs to keep up the facade of being Wells. He has to act like Wells. So if he has friends and family he can't use his wife's death as an excuse not to talk to them for 15 years. He needs Wells' memories to properly pretend to be Wells. Given he even had that device on him I'd assume he must've done it before and knows what's necessary to pretend to be another person.
If all he needs is the AI then he doesn't need to be Wells AT ALL. He could just create a fake id, make a fortune, and build the accelerator himself without having to change his entire body and face.
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Man Flash is picking up speed. And I don't mean his running.
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I can only make this comparison, you know how Kang is from the far future and has conquered numerous timelines but every now and then still goes back in time and finds himself against the Avengers? I'd assume it's like that on a lower level.
I highly doubt Barry has lived that long to still be Thawne's enemy. So I have to assume for w/e reason Thawne keeps going to the past when Barry is older to face him. Maybe he time traveled by accident (or to meet the first speedster) and got hyped to meet the Flash then they had a falling out. Thawne may have the personality and thought process that because he's a speedster he's better than everyone else and can do w/e he wants. Maybe a GOD complex. Thinks Barry should be the same way, they fight (you know the typical plot for something like that), and now Thawne sees him as an archenemy so he keeps going back in time finding ways to beat/kill Barry until he comes up with the plan to kill him when he was a kid but future Barry stops that too.
But I could be wrong about all that since I too don't read Flash comics. I think it'd be even more wild if speed powers gives you immortality in some way though
Nah that's just reaching.
He needs to keep up the facade of being Wells. He has to act like Wells. So if he has friends and family he can't use his wife's death as an excuse not to talk to them for 15 years. He needs Wells' memories to properly pretend to be Wells. Given he even had that device on him I'd assume he must've done it before and knows what's necessary to pretend to be another person.
If all he needs is the AI then he doesn't need to be Wells AT ALL. He could just create a fake id, make a fortune, and build the accelerator himself without having to change his entire body and face.
He needs to be wells to keep the timeline in tact. he is always yelling at barry about how important the timeline his. I just dont see a reason for him to need memories man. he doesnt need to talk to friends or family he can just cut them out complely. Its not unheard of in todays society for people to become social recluses
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It just seems kinda weird how he preached about keeping the timeline intact but he kills people indiscriminately
He's doing just as much damage to the timeline
He's doing just as much damage to the timeline
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True but he only kills people who get to close to his secret. those are neccesary risks to me. Honestly though I hope they explain that more fully and if I am wrong and they say he stole his memories than oh well no big deal. its not like im going to stop watching the show over some small detail.
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It's not about needing to talk to friends.I can only make this comparison, you know how Kang is from the far future and has conquered numerous timelines but every now and then still goes back in time and finds himself against the Avengers? I'd assume it's like that on a lower level.
I highly doubt Barry has lived that long to still be Thawne's enemy. So I have to assume for w/e reason Thawne keeps going to the past when Barry is older to face him. Maybe he time traveled by accident (or to meet the first speedster) and got hyped to meet the Flash then they had a falling out. Thawne may have the personality and thought process that because he's a speedster he's better than everyone else and can do w/e he wants. Maybe a GOD complex. Thinks Barry should be the same way, they fight (you know the typical plot for something like that), and now Thawne sees him as an archenemy so he keeps going back in time finding ways to beat/kill Barry until he comes up with the plan to kill him when he was a kid but future Barry stops that too.
But I could be wrong about all that since I too don't read Flash comics. I think it'd be even more wild if speed powers gives you immortality in some way though
Nah that's just reaching.
He needs to keep up the facade of being Wells. He has to act like Wells. So if he has friends and family he can't use his wife's death as an excuse not to talk to them for 15 years. He needs Wells' memories to properly pretend to be Wells. Given he even had that device on him I'd assume he must've done it before and knows what's necessary to pretend to be another person.
If all he needs is the AI then he doesn't need to be Wells AT ALL. He could just create a fake id, make a fortune, and build the accelerator himself without having to change his entire body and face.
He needs to be wells to keep the timeline in tact. he is always yelling at barry about how important the timeline his. I just dont see a reason for him to need memories man. he doesnt need to talk to friends or family he can just cut them out complely. Its not unheard of in todays society for people to become social recluses
It's about it happening whether you want it to or not.
If he needs to be Wells to keep the timeline in tact then he'd need his memories in order to actually be Wells and he wouldn't have killed Wells' wife since he himself said it was Wells and his wife that made the accelerator. He already changed the timeline a great deal. Just putting on his face wouldn't be enough.
He'd need Wells memories just to properly portray the act of being Wells anyway.
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I feel like they've already established that wells is a recluse/enigma. Barry even mentions his autobiography is basically just fluff and gives no insight on who the man really is.
I don't think either theory(memory or no memory) has a stronger case. At this point either could work based on what they've given us.
I don't think either theory(memory or no memory) has a stronger case. At this point either could work based on what they've given us.
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WOWWWWW. It moved.
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at that trailer!!!This show is winning on all levels.
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Flash has passed Arrow this season.
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So Eddie turns heel? Wells breaks out all the other prisoners? Barry gets no Iris yambs?
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This channel someone posted awhile back helps explain a lot of this comic stuff with the TV shows.
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The writing on arrow has been bad this season. They really are the worst for trying to create reasons for why characters do things. oli is a dumbass and I wouldn't listen to anything he says.
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You can't compare the writing 4 seasons in versus something in its 1st season. Arrow crica season 1 was the goods.
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Shouldn't writing stay consistent or get better as a show goes on? Both shows have their writing flaws though. But i'm definitely enjoying flash more this year.
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How is Cisco getting memories of the future timeline? Are they gonna let homie die again?
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My bae, Beth / Emily Kinney flourishing. It was laughable when a hater in twd thread said she'd never find work again and disappear. Ridiculous statement.
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How is Cisco getting memories of the future timeline? Are they gonna let homie die again?
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Maybe déjà vu & maybe he'll become Vibe this time around.
& yes Iris is sexy
