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He beat Maia on 10 days notice and then proceeded to destroy Munoz in a way nobody ever had
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Weidman definitely wasn't hype. It's almost like he's lost the ability to control distance which he did exceptionally well against Anderson, Machida, Vitor and did decently against Luke. He did such a good job making everyone fight his fight. His 3 KO losses are sorta perplexing, due to how well he seems to do in the first rnd. Adjustment issues?
He didn't control the distance against Vitor. He got blitzed and his size and chin allowed him to withstand long enough to get the takedown, and it was done deal from there. And he did well early against Machida but late in that fight Lyoto was winning the stand-up and again Weidman's size and chin were the big thing keeping him up in some of the crazier exchanges, not any type of solid defense or distance control. He always had those holes but he just didn't run into anybody with the attributes to exploit them, but now he has, three times in a row.
Chris fought Anderson in 2013, I could see the argument for saying Anderson's absolute peak was 2008-2009 when he beat Hendo and LHW'sWhen was Anderson's "peak" then?
Dude was on a 16 fight win streak. How does one determine exactly where his "peak" began or ended amidst that?
Anderson not being at his peak is not a fact. That is most certainly an unverifiable opinion.
When was Anderson's "peak" then?
Dude was on a 16 fight win streak. How does one determine exactly where his "peak" began or ended amidst that?
Anderson not being at his peak is not a fact. That is most certainly an unverifiable opinion.
You can go through most fighters, the great fighters of today and list off facts that make it seem like you poking holes in their resumes
What it comes down to is how good one thought Weidman was or still is
If someone was proclaiming Weidman as P4P or one of the greatest fighters, ok, I could understand being ultra critical of his resume. Other than that, he's beat many fighters, who may not have been in their absolute primes but were still elite fighters. Chris' only defeats have been to elite fighters. It is what it is. I still think Chris has an outside chance of coming back from this, he has shown to be below the elite tier for now
When was Anderson's "peak" then?
Dude was on a 16 fight win streak. How does one determine exactly where his "peak" began or ended amidst that?
Anderson not being at his peak is not a fact. That is most certainly an unverifiable opinion.
I mean of course it's not an exact thing, you gain knowledge as you age but you lose athleticism, and the grind wears on your body. It's hard to say where the exact peak is but I don't think it's unfair to assume you're probably not at your peak at 37 years of age. I think early UFC Anderson was his best version though.
Yeah, like I said, it's a circular discussion when in reality we should just state our bottom line opinion of him during his reign and now that he's on a 3 fight losing streak
IMO he was definitely the elite of the elite until the losing streak. It had absolutely nothing to do with "hype" which is where this discussion originated. He beat all the top contenders during the time. If Mousasi would have got the W over Machida, Chris would have fought him then
Yoel was still on his way up
Rockhold and Souza were really the only two Chris hadn't fought yet during his reign
I'm not going to use age as an arbitrary factor. Great athletes defy convention when it comes to age all of the time.
If you're trying to judge a "peak" I'd assume it'd be based on performance.
Otherwise, I don't know how you can gauge his peak in his fight against Bonnar (the one before Weidman) vs. his fight with Leben. Silva was KNIFING through dudes at both points.
DC was 36 when he beat Rumble and Gus a few months apart.
I'm not going to use age as an arbitrary factor. Great athletes defy convention when it comes to age all of the time.
If you're trying to judge a "peak" I'd assume it'd be based on performance.
Otherwise, I don't know how you can gauge his peak in his fight against Bonnar (the one before Weidman) vs. his fight with Leben. Silva was KNIFING through dudes at both points.
DC was 36 when he beat Rumble and Gus a few months apart.
I still think Anderson was at his best in the early UFC days.
As far as the Cormier argument, he didn't start MMA until late. 2009 was his first fight and he was already 30 years old, so it's reasonable to think that he might be hitting his own peak late because it'd still take him a couple years to develop his subs and striking enough to get to the elite level. Kinda like Sergio in boxing, he hit his personal peak late because he started late. Anderson on the other hand had his first pro fight in 97 at 22 years old so I don't think they're comparable in fight years. I don't think the Weidman fight was his peak
And also just because you're older doesn't mean you can't perform well, even if it's not your peak. B-Hop beat Pascal at 46 years old to win a title. I don't think you would argue that that's the best version of Hopkins, but it was good enough to beat the champ that night.