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I always knew he would be one of the greatest of all-time.
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@forumbluegold Vogel played his starters 24 minutes together in this game. In those minutes they had an OEff of 132.4 & a DEff of 99.8. That's damn good.
@forumbluegold 4 of the 5 Heat lineups with the most minutes in game 4 had a net efficiency rating of at least -15.7. YIKES.
No ref talk.@forumbluegold The starters, in 13 minutes, had that -15.7 differential. Lineup of Cole/Allen/LeBron/Battier/Birdman had a net rating of -47.7 in 8 minutes
Good for you. You will also see me saying quite clearly he is top 10 all time.
Has he, or has he not ever gone to back to back finals?
No.
Have MJ, Kareem, Magic, Bird, Russ, Wilt, West, Shaq, Kobe, Hakeem?
Yes.
Why are you complaining that I brought up a fact?
its pretty much the same as the undefeated in the finals stat, in the end its 4 championships you can come up with these things to credit or discredit what he has done but 4 titles speaks for its self.I'm not complaining but bringing up the fact that a 4 time NBA champion hasn't been to back to back Finals is as important as the price of tea in China.Good for you. You will also see me saying quite clearly he is top 10 all time.
Has he, or has he not ever gone to back to back finals?
No.
Have MJ, Kareem, Magic, Bird, Russ, Wilt, West, Shaq, Kobe, Hakeem?
Yes.
Why are you complaining that I brought up a fact?
If Spurs win and Duncan gets MVP, he prolly is top 5 of all-time.
heat have enough wing defenders to throw at parker and if you look what hibbert is doing right now i wouldnt be surprised if duncan gets mvp if spurs winIf Spurs win, i think Parker gets MVPIf Spurs win and Duncan gets MVP, he prolly is top 5 of all-time.
Good for you. You will also see me saying quite clearly he is top 10 all time.
Has he, or has he not ever gone to back to back finals?
No.
Have MJ, Kareem, Magic, Bird, Russ, Wilt, West, Shaq, Kobe, Hakeem?
Yes.
Why are you complaining that I brought up a fact?
I'm not complaining but bringing up the fact that a 4 time NBA champion hasn't been to back to back Finals is as important as the price of tea in China.
What Tim Duncan has accomplishes given the talent he has played with in his career is nothing short of amazing.
Of all the players to enter the league in the last 30 years the only NBA player I'd take over him is Jordan.
LinkDuncan numbers among generation's best
Of the players in the post-Jordan era of the NBA, it’s a fair argument that Tim Duncan and Kobe Bryant are two of the most accomplished individuals. While LeBron James will no doubt be a part of this discussion once his career is near its end, he has not yet built up a statistical resume quite as hefty as Duncan or Bryant.
Duncan (16 seasons) and Bryant (17) have about the same NBA service time, especially when you consider that Kobe was not much of an impact rookie in 1996-97 (7.6 PPG, 6 starts) while Duncan was the 1997-98 NBA Rookie of the Year, starting all 82 games and averaging 21.1 PPG and 11.9 RPG (keep in mind there were no 20-10 players in the entire NBA this season).
Individual/Regular-Season Success
Bryant is without question the more prolific scorer, averaging five more points for his career than Duncan. However, Duncan won two regular season MVPs (2001-02, 02-03), while Bryant has just one (2007-0. They were in direct competition for Duncan’s MVP awards also, as Bryant finished fifth and third respectively in the MVP voting for Duncan’s two MVP seasons.
While Duncan has a better percentage from the field for his career, Bryant has bested him by one in All-Star Games, All Defensive 1st team selections, and All-NBA 1st teams. In fact, Bryant tied Karl Malone for most 1st team All-NBA selections this season when he picked up his 11th such honor.
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Team/Postseason Success
Team success has been plentiful for both players, as both have made the playoffs 16 times. Duncan has never missed the playoffs in his entire career. Bryant, on the other hand, missed the playoffs in the 2004-05 season, ending the season under .500 at 34-48. Since Duncan joined the Spurs in 1997-98, they have never had a winning percentage lower than .610.
Additionally, Duncan’s teams have won at least 50 games in every season of his career except the lockout-shortened 1998-99 season (50 regular season games total), which was the season he won his first NBA title and NBA Finals MVP.
As far as playoff success goes, Bryant has won one more title than Duncan. However, Duncan is currently undefeated in the NBA Finals (4-0) and has one more Finals MVP trophy to his credit.
Advanced Metrics in Historical Context
Advanced metrics also slightly favor Duncan. Duncan has 184.2 career win shares (an estimate of the number of wins a player contributes to his team based on his offense and defense), over 10 more win shares than Bryant does for his career. The Spurs stalwart ranks ninth in win shares all time whereas Bryant is ranked 17th.
Defensive win shares show that Duncan really changes the game on that side of the ball. Duncan’s defensive win shares are 93.5 for his career, fifth-best all time behind Russell, Kareem, Olajuwon and Wilt.
Bryant’s 49.5 defensive win shares rank 46th all time for the sake of context. Again, Bryant is a far superior offensive talent, posting 30 more offensive win shares than Duncan for his career, but in terms of all-time ranks, Bryant is ninth and Duncan is 28th, a much closer disparity than on the defensive end.
Which Kobe team has?A Tim Duncan led team has never lost to a less talented team in the playoffs.
Ever.
A Tim Duncan led team has never lost to a less talented team in the playoffs.
Ever.
A Tim Duncan led team has never lost to a less talented team in the playoffs.
Ever.
A Tim Duncan led team has never lost to a less talented team in the playoffs.
Ever.
These type posts what annoys me on Duncan/Spur lovers. Made up revisionist history. Took me 8 seconds to debunk your lame *** claim.
"Ever"
Happened 3 times the last 5 years. One of them being against his own favorite team.
AT this boy CP with back2back2back losing post like his lakers the past 3 seasons.
Homie mad that the San Antonio SPURS and Tim Duncan prove him wrong.
AT this boy CP with back2back2back losing post like his lakers the past 3 seasons.
Homie mad that the San Antonio SPURS and Tim Duncan prove him wrong.
You're new here, or just a made up fake account for this lame post. You know yourself CP would ether you in an argument.
AT this boy CP with back2back2back losing post like his lakers the past 3 seasons.
Homie mad that the San Antonio SPURS and Tim Duncan prove him wrong.
You're new here, or just a made up fake account for this lame post. You know yourself CP would ether you in an argument.
Come on now you know who that is.
Naw, it'll go away once games come back, relax. The Pacers are just wasting our time before the real series begins.