THE OFFICIAL 2024 - 2025 DALLAS COWBOYS SEASON THREAD || 4-7 Next Game 11/28 vs. Giants Vol. Thanksgiving

[mr s j king]

For the first time in a long time we have legitimate play makers on both sides of the ball.

 

[thachosen123]

Now let's see if we can put it ALL together.

I don't really know why, but I like that we have a late bye week this year

 

[nflowshoe]

I would be happy if he was mentoring a young athletic back up Qb instead of a WR.....

 

[kid fiasco]

I would be happy if he was mentoring a young athletic back up Qb instead of a WR.....

Go! Orton? Lol. 

 

[mr s j king]

Can someone explain to me how you all KNOW a WR has ran the wrong route. I hear an announcer say it, and a few minutes later its on NT (not a personal shot at all, very serious i wanna know)

Dez gets S!!!d on by the announcer for a bad route, yet Romo went on to throw like 3 more interceptions if im not mistaken. its just weird to me so id like to know.

and like always, i PRAY Ed werder stays away from us this season. Seen him reporting on Cruz missin giants camp and was feeling bittersweet, he's goonna ruin Cruz's career with his reporting....

Its not that Dez was running the "wrong" route, he just wasn't making the adjustment to the coverage Garrett wanted him to make.
I'm sure we all remember the Bears game and the pick 6 they had when Dez was blamed for running the wrong route.
My educated guess is that in practice and film session it was determined if you get this look from the defense, you run this route.
Well in Dez's mind (and every explosive receiver thats ever played the game) he's thinking, why break the route off when I can blow by this scrub and take it to the house.
So now you have the conflict between head coach/off. coord., QB, and WR.
That conflict created all the sideline discussions we saw the first half of the season. Fast forward to the second half of the season.
Garrett listens to his young talented receiver and veteran QB, allowing Dez to use his speed and size to make plays downfield.
That allows Dez to have a great second half of the season, racking up multiple 100yd games and games with 1 or more TD.
Hopefully the trend continues, and by looking at our draft thats the intentions out at Valley Ranch.

 

[va757va]

it doesnt matter if dez can beat charles tillman 200 out of 200 times down the field, when the blitz comes you adjust accordingly..not making the right adjustment = he ran the wrong route..no if ands about it.

the bears showed zero coverage (man across the board) with the safety creeping up on dez's side, thus making his side overloaded side or the "hot" side.  so its his job as the receiver to be on the same page as the qb, and be a security blanket right there, not to want to go downfield for the big play..it was def the wrong play. romo had little to no time to throw that curl that peanut picked, let alone a 9 route down the field..the defense was there in no time..

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jthagreat -  a tell tale sign that a receiver ran the wrong route is when the ball is nowhere near him on the throw, then the qb and or head coach digs into him shortly after...we saw that alow with kevin ogletree..off the top of my head i remember romo or garrett dogging him after ints in seattle, against chicago, and week 17 in dc....not to mention COUNTLESS times where romo is lining this dude up properly as the playclock winds down..no reason for him not to know where to be on the field this late in his career..

heres an example: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000119719/Romo-picked-off

 

[mr s j king]

He doesn't have to throw it 40yds down field. He had enought ime to make his drop and make a throw.
Romo chose to throw underneath as opposed to over the top. A 10yd difference at most.
Look back at the play Tillman sat on the hitch, Urlacher was sitting inside on the slant.
Best option was to throw it up and let Dez make a play against the safety.

 

[va757va]

i feel you...i like your logic, and it makes perfect sense to me..

i just dont think he could have launched a 9 route to dez...even in the shotgun as soon as he got the rock the defense was there..peanut sat on the curl, but had dez ran the proper route he woulda either boxed peanut out or its an incompletion...

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap1000000068484/Tillman-picks-off-Romo-for-TD

peep the 2nd angle of this vid, there was a single high safety who was in perfect position to take out the 9...but ill give credit where its due, if romo was to throw a perfect pass between the corner and safety (like eli to manningham superbowl) it would have worked...so we can call a spade a spade here..neither right or wrong imo.

damn it feel good to talk some cowboys again!!! 

 

[mr s j king]

[COLOR=#red]VA757VA [/COLOR], watched the replay and noticed something else.
FELIX JONES SCRUB ***** PICKED UP THE WRONG BLITZER!
He should have picked up the safety off the edge because the center picked up Lance Briggs.

As far as the route, I think if Dez runs the hitch, Tillman blast him as soon as the ball gets there, ball pops up and Urlacher picks it off.
I give Dez the advantage against 90% of the safeties in the NFL, and a hitch route that close to your own end zone is dangerous anyway.
This shows how many ways Garretts offensive thinking was out of whack with the current NFL.
I'm glad a wiser, more knowledgeable offensive mind like Callahan is here to help out.
Supposedly Callahan is from the Bill Walsh lineage, so the offense should be fun to watch.
Jerry has spent WAAAAAYYYYYY too much money on that offense to let Garrett squander it away.

 

[mr s j king]

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[va757va]

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maaan that would be amazing..

 

[mr s j king]

I feel like Callahan sees this as a second chance at getting it right.
I'm a life long Cowboys fan so I find a silver lining in everything

 

[blackboyfly]

Tony Romo haters take heed: Dallas Cowboys QB is underrated

Last week, I innocently penned an article on the most overrated/underrated Dallas Cowboys of all time. Somehow, I overlooked safety Roy Williams in the overrated section. Somehow, I overlooked that placing a certain quarterback in the underrated section would blow up my Twitter account.

Man, do people hate Tony Romo.

So, where does the negativity come from? How do people not see that Romo is, in fact, one of the most underrated players in our game?

Merriam-Webster -- the entity, the book, the all-knowing word channel that hovered over our fifth-grade year like Us Weekly over all things Lohan -- has this to say about "underrated": to rate too low: undervalue.

Undervalue. That's the key here.

How valuable is Romo? Well, the Dallas Cowboys just deemed that he's worth $108 million. And it's no wonder why: Considering how poorly the offensive line and defense played last season, the 'Boys should've considered themselves lucky to reach four wins, let alone eight.

Romo also is highly valued in sports television, where any big-time mistake he makes often becomes the lead highlight on "SportsCenter." You see, it's just not cool to show Romo tearing it up, like he did several times last year en route to a 4,900-yard campaign.

How did we get to this point with Romo? There are many factors to be considered, but dropping that fateful field-goal snap in Seattle has to be the opener. No doubt about it: That was a terrible botch by the Cowboys' starting quarterback. But don't overlook the operative word in that sentence: starting. How many first-string quarterbacks are asked to hold kicks (in the playoffs, no less)? Bingo. This reeks of the Tuna.

Dallas lost that day -- now over six years ago -- and, of course, critics love to cite Romo's 1-3 career mark in the postseason as evidence of his overall inferiority. Incidentally, Matt Ryan, 1-4 in the playoffs, isn't held to the same standard. Truth is, NO quarterback should be held to that standard. Here's a cliché you can wrap your arms around: Football is a team game.

Critics hold Romo accountable as an individual, which is funny, because none of them want to hear his individual statistics. They don't want to hear that he owns the fifth-highest passer rating in NFL history at 95.6. Or that analytics haven Pro Football Focus rated him as the 11th-best quarterback in football last season, 10th in 2011 and eighth in 2010.

Rather, Romo is singled out for faltering in big moments, late in games. But what if a fair-minded person understandably points to the fact that Romo has the highest fourth-quarter passer rating of any active quarterback in the NFL?

Nah, that's not valid, either. Romo just sucks.

Of course, those who watch the Cowboys closely know that not to be true. They know Miles Austin runs hot and cold, DeMarco Murray spends much of his time in the cold tub (oh, those injuries) and the defense just changed coordinators for the third time in four years (because that side of the ball is failing, having averaged a 23rd-place finish in points allowed over the past three campaigns).

In fact, it's Romo not sucking that generates much of the venom. What's the simplest explanation for rampant anti-Romoism in the world today? People love to hate the Cowboys. And thus, being a Dallas quarterback is The Clapper for the light bulb of animosity. But if that's the case, why don't people hate Chad Hutchinson? Or Drew Henson? Or the immortal Quincy Carter? Because you couldn't even make those guys good in Madden.

The bottom line is this: All those people who bag on Romo, or think his complete omission from the "Top 100 Players of 2013" was justified, don't want to hear any comparisons. Well, unless they go something like Eli has two Super Bowls and Romo has none. Makes sense on some levels, as they are division rivals and about the same age.

Then again, it makes no sense. Such proclamations are constantly yelled from the mountaintops to support the notion that Romo folds under pressure. Never mind that you can count on one hand the number of quarterbacks who were under as much pressure as Romo last season. Even league analysts who don't like Romo much acknowledge that no one has better pocket mobility, or is tougher to sack (save maybe Ben Roethlisberger).

Oh, and then there's this: Romo finished last season tied for third in the NFL with four game-winning drives, and the Cowboys finished second in the league with eight come-from-behind victories. Say whaaaat?

Of course, all anyone remembers is the interception Romo threw to Washington ******** LB Rob Jackson with the division title on the line in Week 17. No question: This was a critical error. The ******** had blitzed from that side all night, so defensive coordinator Jim Haslett shrewdly had Jackson feign blitzing before dropping back into coverage. Romo was fooled, and the rest is history.

Obviously, that pick emboldened the haters. It should be noted, however, that Peyton Manning's back-breaking interception in the divisional round two weeks later was a far worse decision. Romo threw his ill-fated ball with a split-second to consider it. Manning rolled out, thought about what he was doing and tossed the ball across his body into coverage.

Hey, even the best quarterbacks are human. There's a reason it's the toughest position to play in sports. It's just that some guys are held more accountable than others.

That's why it was nice to see Kurt Warner rank Romo among his top 10 quarterbacks -- a list that purposefully excluded the young stars at the position. Warner certainly knows what it takes to sustain a high level of play in the NFL, year after year. And he's not unfamiliar with harsh criticism, either (or benching, for that matter).

Robert Griffin III is one of those young stars left off Warner's list. Although RGIII hasn't experienced much (if any) criticism in his fledgling career, he understands that the Cowboys quarterback is unfairly judged. That's why he approached Romo after the aforementioned Week 17 tilt, embraced him and said: "Hey, Tony. I just wanted to say to you don't listen to what anybody else is saying about you. You're a great quarterback, man."

If he's not great, he's certainly very good. And while, yes, he gets talked about a lot, that doesn't make the Cowboys quarterback "overrated" -- or even properly rated. When you're famous for people belittling you, nitpicking your every mistake and calling you a "choker," that makes you something else entirely.

Underestimated.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap10...-underrated?campaign=Twitter_writers_harrison

 

[airjordan jb23]

very on point article... its easy to point the finger at romo, but the truth is without him we wouldn't have pulled out as many wins as we did last season. sure, there are times when romo takes us out of games, but there were many times last year (as noted) where if it weren't for him, we wouldn't have put together those 4th qtr come from behind wins & game winning drives down the stretch. yes he's inconsistent, but that is & has been a TEAM problem for a while now... considering our defense was sketchy, our offensive line was non existent, our receiving game was on & off, & our running game disappeared to to injuries, he carried us pretty well last year.

 

[kid fiasco]

Good Read. Only cowboy fans will read that and take that into heart. Typical Dallas/Romo critics can disregard that article and think 'He's trash' 'Bum' 'Choke Artist'.

I watched highlights of last seasons games, Romo Made some bonehead throws, but man did he bring us back on some games. Romo didn't go 8-8, the Dallas Cowboys went 8-8. Our D was mostly out with injuries, no excuses though. Romo took shots and still got back up. Didn't miss a game last season, which I'm happy with, Romo rarely gets injured. Romo doesn't just get hit, he gets rocked. He did his best with an Average O-line, Murray-less offense. Not cause I'm a boys fan, even if Romo gets cut/traded to another team, I would like him to win a ring, because out of any sport, out of the thousands of athletes IMO i think Romo gets so much heat and never receives any credit. I feel bad for him sometimes, seems like he can never do right. I respect Romo a great deal just going out there and playing ball. Romo will get his, Don't know when, don't know how, but Romo will get his props one day.

Another Note, Watched Murray on ESPN today, Stephen A. Still trying to diss Romo/Cowboys by attacking Murray. But Murray kept his cool and handled the interview pretty well.

 

[essential1]

It was that damn Bears game and ******** game >:

The Giants game was bad.. But he lead us back for a "loss", despite us being screwed.

The Bears and ******** game is the difference between 10-6 and 8-8

 

[thachosen123]

1 more week until camp fellas.

Expectations have been lowered, so ain't no way to go but up.

 

[blackboyfly]

I could use some help defending our Boys in the NFL thread

 

[larrydavid]

1 more week until camp fellas.

Expectations have been lowered, so ain't no way to go but up. 

But we all know once the season starts, it's second round of the playoff's/better or bust for this franchise. 

An I'm cool with that, I think we're going to the super bowl this year, don't believe me just watch.

 

[thachosen123]

I could use some help defending our Boys in the NFL thread

sorry bro, can't do it. It's hard for me to talk cowboys with non-cowboy fans.

Nope.........can't do it...........won't do it

 

[blackboyfly]

sorry bro, can't do it. It's hard for me to talk cowboys with non-cowboy fans.

Nope.........can't do it...........won't do it

Don't blame you, people are completely unobjective.

 

[kid fiasco]

I could use some help defending our Boys in the NFL thread

It not worth the beefing with a stranger about who's team is better especially arguing with someone that doesn't know the true game/fundamentals of football. You'll never win. 

Kudos to you for repping though. 

When it comes to threads + trash talking. I'll let the cowboys do the talking this upcoming season. & let my avy do the rest. 

10-6 entering the playoffs. Yeah Playoffs, I said it. 

 

[va757va]

But we all know once the season starts, it's second round of the playoff's/better or bust for this franchise. 

An I'm cool with that, I think we're going to the super bowl this year, don't believe me just watch.

It not worth the beefing with a stranger about who's team is better especially arguing with someone that doesn't know the true game/fundamentals of football. You'll never win. 

Kudos to you for repping though. 

When it comes to threads + trash talking. I'll let the cowboys do the talking this upcoming season. & let my avy do the rest. 

10-6 entering the playoffs. Yeah Playoffs, I said it. 

loving the playoff aspirations...i agree with you guys but the health of defense is gonna play a big part into how far we go...particularly lee/carter...those dude gotta play 16 for us to succeed...

the closer we get to the season, the more nervous i get about free safety and right tackle....still dont kno what to make of matt johnson, and doug free gets beat on the edge, by power, by stunts not to mention he was the most penalized player in the league last year...

i just dont see the upgrade in those two positions from last year...i dont wanna see another alan ball type year, experimenting and such...it was embarrassing..

 

[alsdaman30]

They better hope Frederick is a immediate improvement. I think the middle of that line will be Frederick, Costa, and Bernadeau. Also they better hope they have that 1 technique DL on this team too. If their better in the trenches on both sides they win at least 10.

 

[kid fiasco]

Yeah, our SS play is still a toss up, But I know its going to be a huge improvement these last couple of season. When we had Roy Williams as safety and our Alan ball era. Keep in mind we picked up SS Will Allen from the steelers... He's not GREAT, but experienced. Worked with defense that has been #1 defense for sometime. 

With the loss of Felix, Want to see these Rookies RB's to step up and see they can deliver that 1-2 punch we always wanted.

Whoa, Nobody has brought this up? thoughts... Vickers was that dude... Best FB we had for awhile. Gonna miss him. 

Link to article. 

Dallas Cowboys fullback Lawrence Vickers (47) gives an impassioned speech to his teammates before facing the Cincinnati Bengals at Paul Brown Stadium in Cincinnati, Sunday, December 9, 2012. The Cowboys lost practice player Jerry Brown Jr. to a car accident early Saturday morning.

JON MACHOTA

Special to DMN

Published:  12 July 2013 03:23 PM

Updated:  12 July 2013 08:07 PM

The Dallas Cowboys are putting a greater emphasis on two tight end sets this off-season and they took another step in that direction on Friday, releasing Lawrence Vickers, who had been the lone fullback on their roster.

The transition began when the Cowboys drafted Gavin Escobar in the second round of April’s NFL Draft and it continued when they signed veteran free agent Dante Rosario in June, giving the team six tight ends.

It’s possible if the Cowboys need a fullback, the role could be filled by Rosario, linebacker Caleb McSurdy or offensive lineman Kevin Kowalski. All three took snaps at the position during organized team activities.

Vickers, 30, played in all 16 games for the Cowboys last year. The Beaumont native started six games, rushing three times for 11 yards and catching 13 passes for 104 yards.

The Cowboys signed Vickers to a two-year contract in March 2012 after he had paved the way for 1,000-yard rushers during four of the previous five seasons.”

But Dallas finished with its worst rushing offense in team history last year. Releasing Vickers, who did not participate in OTAs or mini-camp after undergoing back surgery in April, will save the Cowboys $1.2 million in salary cap space
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