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Exactly the non-tippers in here have no substance to their stance....not having anyyyyyy restaurant business experience, besides eating there. It is laughable.
Tipping etiquette when you're being treated
Exactly the non-tippers in here have no substance to their stance....not having anyyyyyy restaurant business experience, besides eating there. It is laughable.
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Unfortunately I always over tip(unless the server is just horrible then I tip the greeter instead) just because being black people automatically try to serve u bad/ think you don't have the money, and I am not demanding when I eat out, if u refill my drink and bring extra napkins you are guaranteed a tip, that's all I ask, plus if anybody has saw "waiting" they know the scene I am talking about, it's like I over tip so the next black people get good service
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That's reasonable.
at saying arguments other than yours have "no substance." You mean when juxtaposed with arguments founded on (actual language here) "social norms, social contracts, unwritten contract, implied contracts" which are founded on, "I signed up for potentially a ****** work agreement on my own volition and am being taken advantage of, so you should make up for it. That's just how it is!"
Maybe you all should go on strike, really stick it to your bosses.
at saying arguments other than yours have "no substance." You mean when juxtaposed with arguments founded on (actual language here) "social norms, social contracts, unwritten contract, implied contracts" which are founded on, "I signed up for potentially a ****** work agreement on my own volition and am being taken advantage of, so you should make up for it. That's just how it is!"Maybe you all should go on strike, really stick it to your bosses.
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The thing is I do tip...16% or more. In the DC area most restaurants fix in a gratuity regardless, plus I even tip on carry out at my neighborhood spot because I genuinely appreciate the people who work there. I just have a problem defining tips as a 'social norm' when it truly isn't (social norms are usually free).
From the arguments so far tips are really an issue of adequate compensation. My problem is the fact that customers are expected to pay you the shortfall from minimum wage rather than the employer. I just wish that there was a way to fix that, I would rather give someone a tip out of genuine appreciation (gratuity), rather than some forced upon, supposedly, implied pseudo-social contract.
And I definitely have a problem defining people as classless because they don't tip you a certain amount.
Good on you for working hard as a server but when you truly break it down the system that's in place really has more flaws than it should have.
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That's reasonable.
Maybe you all should go on strike, really stick it to your bosses.
You don't have any substance or experience working in the Restaurant business and your ignorance to their position description/duties is blatantly obvious. Or arguement is soley based on your opinion...which is fine, it's just a weak arguement and which is why there are only one or two fellow cheap NTers on here siding with it.
A lot of people apply to become a server/waiter out of the flexibility of the schedule, non-extensive background checks and ability to make quick and decent sums of cash depending on where (restaurant type and physical location) you work. The fact that you keep insinuating that waiters/servers are stupid people who chose to take this job out of necessity or that it is the only job they qualify for is asinine.
Being a waiter at an upscale venue or a five start hotel like The Jefferson in Richmond is not like working retail at the mall.....I have done both and there is a hugeeeeeeeee difference.
Proceed though....
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I'm a server...The way i see it .. if you cant tip accordingly then you shouldn't even be going out to eat. $4 on $50 :x , no tip at all? :x , ____
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So if non-tippers have a problem with the system....they don't have to use the system (eating at restaurants) or they can propose a change in legislation and push for that. But choosing to punish the server/worker for a system that they did not create is just ludicrous.
I am sure a lot of people would like to tip out of appreciation....but unfortunately just like the Honor System in school, there are too many people that abuse it and cheat.
Social Norms are not always free.....gift giving, showing up with a gift for the host of a party, etc.
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when does it stop though? What if I buy, with my own knowledge of the product, a $100 dollar bottle of wine and 150 worth of entrees for a party of two. You come to the table on four occasions, because I know what I'm ordering and how I want it, I'm supposed to break you off $50, and whatever gratuity your restaurant hit me with for you coming to my table 4 times?I'm a server...The way i see it .. if you cant tip accordingly then you shouldn't even be going out to eat. $4 on $50, no tip at all?
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I tip all the time for those in the food service industry. The amount does however vary based on how friendly the service is as well as how good it was.
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I see what you are saying, but I would prefer defining your examples as 'customs'. Not everybody exchanges gifts on christmas and not all cultures expect you to bring gifts for the host...I don't know, color me intrigued. Maybe it's because I didn't spend my whole life here.
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My wife does catering and she will bust her *** to serve 50 people on a $1800.00 order to only make a 20 dollar tip. thats just disrespectful. She normally gets tipped around $150.00 on a order that big. If the people that didnt tip **** call to place a order again my wife and her co workers will refuse to cater to them again and her company will tell the customer that they wont cater to them and that they can buy the food but that they have to come and pick it up themselves. My wife says why should I go bust my *** for 4 to 5 hours to make a extra 20 bucks when if i'm serving at the restaurant i'll make $100.00 to $200.00 in a 4 to 5 hour span.
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See I think only people who have been in that line of work, could appreciate all the hard work, time and energy that goes into setting up a meal/event like that.....how contact someone for an event like that and not tip them is my question???
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Bingo!
That's always my problem. What really blows me is servers who half-***, but still expect a tip as if its required by law. I've rarely come across exceptional service, yet cuz of these "social norms" I'm still expected to leave a tip for average or even below average service. What kinda **** is that?
For those who go above and beyond their job expectations as a server/waiter I'm always willing to leave a nice tip (20% or more). However I'm not tipping people who aren't even doing the bare minimum of their job, idc how little you make per hour. Call me a tightwad, jerk, or whatever, but I dont reward mediocrity.
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You're right, I can and generally do avoid eating out, but you can't avoid the "Service" sector entirely. trust me, I would love to. If I could just wear a shirt that says, "I got it," and nobody try to open a door for me or take my bag from me and carry it like I'm not an able bodied 20 something, I'd love it. I didn't even realize I was "shorting" so many people on tips until I looked it up after finding out people tip their mailman and saw this endless list of people I am "supposed to" tip. Mailman, nope. Door opener guy, nope. Bag checker at the airport, nope. Person who hands me my bag of food when I make a Carside to Go order and go inside to the bar to pick it up (yes they make you go inside and be seated at the bar now), nope. Barista (coffee maker), nope. Carhop at Sonic or other drive in, nope. Housekeeping at the hotel, nope. Cab driver, probably get whatever amount is inconvenient for me to keep if I pay cash. I'll pump my own gas, wash my own car, do my own yard work too, although I'm sure those people would get Lawry's if and when i didn't tip them. Anybody who I don't think I should, their best chance is the rarity I am paying with cash and there is coins and 1s involved. You can keep it not because I think you deserve it, but I just don't really want it and usually throw it in the tips jar or "Johnny has cancer" bucket..
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See, I was unaware of this. Granted I haven't used to many caterers the few that I do know are small businesses and the person preparing the food might even be part of the catering crew and the price for catering includes a service charge already...consider my mind blown so please explain. I say this with no disrespect to your wife.
Also is it appropriate to tip the servers at a wedding? Game set and match...
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The whole restaurant system is ridiculous. It undermines its employees by paying them nickels and dimes. When the employee doesn't get paid their expected weekly amount, the restaurant gets off the hook by implying they weren't tipped well, and that cascades to the implication that the customers are being "cheap". The cascade effect leaves the customer as the scape goat while the restaurant gets off scotch free with increased profits.
I feel that it is silly to peer pressure the customer into tipping a "socially normal" percentage (which has been increasing). Quality of service is subjective and not every individual maintains identical financial situations, so there it's hard to establish a "norm".
It makes it worst when employees feel entitled to X amount of tip.
In a non-archaic system, workers would be paid an actual wage. Quality restaurants would garner quality employees/service due to higher wages. In this case, the tip would be a luxury addition to say "thanks for the great job", which is how I feel it should always be.
The restaurant should be responsible for paying for the employee's exceptional service, and the customer then has the opportunity to add to that amount based on quality of service.
We shouldn't be paying extra to employees just doing their job; otherwise, we'd be tipping floor employees at department and retail stores.
TL;DR - blame the restaurants for an employee's low wages
I feel that it is silly to peer pressure the customer into tipping a "socially normal" percentage (which has been increasing). Quality of service is subjective and not every individual maintains identical financial situations, so there it's hard to establish a "norm".
It makes it worst when employees feel entitled to X amount of tip.
In a non-archaic system, workers would be paid an actual wage. Quality restaurants would garner quality employees/service due to higher wages. In this case, the tip would be a luxury addition to say "thanks for the great job", which is how I feel it should always be.
The restaurant should be responsible for paying for the employee's exceptional service, and the customer then has the opportunity to add to that amount based on quality of service.
We shouldn't be paying extra to employees just doing their job; otherwise, we'd be tipping floor employees at department and retail stores.
TL;DR - blame the restaurants for an employee's low wages
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i agree with that. When we go out and we have bad service we dont tip hardly anything but if we get good service we tip good. Like if we have good service and our bill is like $150.00 i will tip around 35 bucks. If my bill is like $45.00 and the service is good we will tip about $10.00
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I pay 90% of the time but whenever I get treated I pay tip.. I'm sure your host wouldn't be offended..
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I can't help but tip unless the service is horrible. I won't even go out to eat if I feel like I won't have enough to comfortably leave at least 10% gratuity for the server. A lot of these people only make $4-$6 an hour and some make less (or so I've heard) but there's no way I could just flat out not tip if the service was good. As for OP I used to go out with people who would pay for the bill and if I noticed the tip wasn't enough I'd just sneak and give the server an additional tip without that present company seeing me.
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the catering charge goes to the company but not the workers. Some places dont even have catering charges. My wife's point is this why work 4 to 5 hours busting her *** to set up and serve everybody their food and having to get them all refills on their drinks only to at the end of the event to only get tipped 20 bucks and if she was at the restaurant serving she would have a lot less work to do and she would make a lot more in tips in that time span. Let alone when she does catering sometimes its for parties where everyone is drunk and acting rude. Why wait on a bunch of arrogant rude people for 4 to 5 hours to only make a extra $20.00 bucks? But dont get me wrong some people have tipped her $500.00 before. Heres another example my wife drives their catering truck for deliveries too. She makes decent money in tips for deliveries but sometimes she will deliver a huge *** order of like $5000.00 to a company and she wont get tipped at all. A order that big it takes her 10 to 15 minutes just to load up the truck and another 10 to 15 minutes to unload the truck and then shes required to set up there order where ever they want her to which takes another 15 minutes. Now when you order a pizza for delivery and say your order is just $25.00 bucks how much do you tip the pizza man just for bringing up a couple boxes of food to your door? Shes bringing up $5000.00 worth of food and sometimes there so cheap to where they dont tip a dollar!
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I also tip, because the next time i go, i get treated better.
when i go out to each i get free bottles of wine, or just free dessert.
When i take my friends to places, and we get free drinks or appetizers on the house, #feelsgoodman.. they're like damn this is cool
or because i always tip my barber like 50%, i never have to wait in line, or he stays open late for me. for me its all about getting extra
when i go out to each i get free bottles of wine, or just free dessert.
When i take my friends to places, and we get free drinks or appetizers on the house, #feelsgoodman.. they're like damn this is cool
or because i always tip my barber like 50%, i never have to wait in line, or he stays open late for me. for me its all about getting extra
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avoiding service is pretty easy. take your *** to mcdonalds. order your restaurant food to go and sit in the car. whatever.
nobody is forcing them to take the job, and nobody is forcing you to eat there. you can't follow some social rules...
i had no cash on me today. so did i go to the full service gas station like i normally do, no i went ane xtra few blocks and pumped itm yself. it's really sad but a lot of you folks were obviously just raised in a.... to be politically correct i'll say 'different' way.
nobody is forcing them to take the job, and nobody is forcing you to eat there. you can't follow some social rules...
i had no cash on me today. so did i go to the full service gas station like i normally do, no i went ane xtra few blocks and pumped itm yself. it's really sad but a lot of you folks were obviously just raised in a.... to be politically correct i'll say 'different' way.
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I agree i do the same and i love when i show up at a restaurant and i dont have to wait to be seated because they remember me from tippin good the last time i was there.
