Was MJ an average athlete??

[osh kosh bosh]

LeBron would not be happy getting banged up like Jordan used to.

Lebron James would DESTROY80's 90's defenses.

The illegal defenses rules made it WAY easier to isolate and attack individual defenders. Lebron would feast.


Defenses are better and smarter now.

Dealing with some hard fouls is way easier than dealing wtih Tom Thibbaduea being able to throw multiple bodies in your way before you even get the ball.

 

[al3xis]

This forum has never understood that.

If there's anyone built to demolish one on one isolation and deal with hand checking, it's LeBron James.

 

[Nelson C]

MJ's taking the blame for Detroit doing a great job getting in Grant and Pippen's head?

They didn't contain him, much less stop him. They were effective in making him defer to teammates and flattening him in the lane. When the NBA finally cracked down on that, the "Jordan Rules" became a lot less effective as you saw in '91.

He was less efficient. He had to take more shots and scored less points than he did in the regular season.

The bulls were less efficient.

It. worked. How else would you define working?


You can argue that the physical tactics were un fun to watch and unappealing basketball (I would agree) it's not relevant.

withing the frame work of the NBA at the time the pistons defended jordan well. The Jordan Rules became less effective because the pistons got older and worse and the bulls and jordan got better.

I'm not referring to you, but when most people speak to the Jordan Rules they're referring to how it stopped him, how they killed him.

 

[shoeking2101]

I'm not referring to you, but when most people speak to the Jordan Rules they're referring to how it stopped him, how they killed him.

Those people are dumb you simply cannt stop someone who is shooting all the time and playing 40 minutes a night. Impossible. Usage Rate far too high. You can make it much more difficult however.

 

[ryanjumpman420]

Those Pistons were just so good that the league had to change the rules to help the offense. More offense means more points means more entertainment means more money. MLB had the same thing happen when they lowered the mound cause the pitchers were too good back in the 70s. NFL and what they've done to dismantle defenses has almost become unfair. It's the same with those "Jordan Rules" It was just to make a player pay for running up in the lane. There were already the "no layup" rules before then and it's basically the same thing. Make the player 2nd guess running into the lane cause he knows he's gonna get hit or possibly hurt. Pistons got old plus the Bulls got better.

 

[mister friendly]

If Jordan had trouble with the Pistons

Lebron would have a meltdown

Spurs have got into his head, they have mostly held him way below his season averages in their meetings

 

[ryanjumpman420]

If Jordan had trouble with the Pistons

Lebron would have a meltdown

Spurs have got into his head, they have mostly held him way below his season averages in their meetings

No question about it. And Detroit was just giving to Chicago what the Celtics had been giving to them in the years they were bouncing the Pistons out of the playoffs in the years prior. Larry Bird to this day doesn't like Bill Laimbeer. Says Bill was too dirty. But he was cool with the physical play from all the other Detroit players. Those Pistons teams in the late 80s and early 90s that won back to back titles were the ending of an era.

 

[ryanjumpman420]

They didn't call them the Bad Boys for nothing. Them guys were bad. But in a great way. All time great team. "Detroit Pistons BAD BOYS" on YouTube:

 

[ryanjumpman420]

Lebron James would DESTROY80's 90's defenses.

The illegal defenses rules made it WAY easier to isolate and attack individual defenders. Lebron would feast.


Defenses are better and smarter now.

Dealing with some hard fouls is way easier than dealing wtih Tom Thibbaduea being able to throw multiple bodies in your way before you even get the ball.

trippin bruh.

 

[shoeking2101]

If Jordan had trouble with the Pistons

Lebron would have a meltdown

Spurs have got into his head, they have mostly held him way below his season averages in their meetings

So if Lebron grew up in the 70's and played in the L in the 80's, he would have the same mindset that he has today?

In general, I feel like Lebron would be better against the pistons than Jordan was. Not to say that Lebron was better, but he is a bit more equipped physically to play against that brand of basketball. He also is a better playmaker than Jordan which would burn the pistons for helping off of other players and things of that nature.

Defenses back then were a lot more one on one as opposed to today, where in iso situations teams love to zone / load up on the offensive player. Because of this I feel like Lebron would be even better then than he is now. You wouldn't be able to stop him from getting to the hoop. Detroit would have dished out punishment, but I don't think Lebron is nearly as soft as it seems you think he would.

 

[ryanjumpman420]

Dennis Rodman would have ate Lebron alive

 

[shoeking2101]

Dennis Rodman would have ate Lebron alive

as usual, you're letting nostalgia interfere with logic.

 

[johnnyredstorm]

i wouldnt go that far. rodman would've been in lebron physically and mentally. if lebron struggled against the mavericks in 2011 what makes u think he'd fare any better against rodman?

 

[ryanjumpman420]

So if Lebron grew up in the 70's and played in the L in the 80's, he would have the same mindset that he has today?

In general, I feel like Lebron would be better against the pistons than Jordan was. Not to say that Lebron was better, but he is a bit more equipped physically to play against that brand of basketball. He also is a better playmaker than Jordan which would burn the pistons for helping off of other players and things of that nature.

Defenses back then were a lot more one on one as opposed to today, where in iso situations teams love to zone / load up on the offensive player. Because of this I feel like Lebron would be even better then than he is now. You wouldn't be able to stop him from getting to the hoop. Detroit would have dished out punishment, but I don't think Lebron is nearly as soft as it seems you think he would.

That's an interesting perspective. On the MJ vs Lebron theory. Tho it would matter who Lebron had around him. MJ couldn't do it by himself. Nobody could back in the 80s. For reference 1986 was the tallest year for the NBA. Lebron prob wouldn't have been as big and strong back then cause of the lack of knowing how to diet and train properly. For instance Larry Bird ran on pavement for training. No wonder he ruptured both his achilles tendons. Lebron has shown to have ankle problems and back then soon as u go up for your jumper they would slide their foot under yours so you would turn your ankle coming down. Liambeer was famous for that.

 

[sea manup]

If mj played today he wouldn't be taking selfies and posting EWB quotes on his Instagram after choking a game away

 

[shoeking2101]

The NBA is all about team defense, and that's evn

i wouldnt go that far. rodman would've been in lebron physically and mentally. if lebron struggled against the mavericks in 2011 what makes u think he'd fare any better against rodman?

The reason why Lebron struggled against Dallas is because they played excellent TEAM defense. That's not to say that Lebron didn't play a part in that by becoming a mental ****** of sorts, but if you watch that finals they played excellent team defense. A lot of their team defensive principles wouldn't even be allowed in the pistons hey day. A lot of loading up, zoning up, and things like that.

It would be a lot more one on one defense if he went up against rodman and Detroit, and there's no one in the history of basketball that can stop Lebron one on one.

 

[ryanjumpman420]

as usual, you're letting nostalgia interfere with logic.

It aint nostalgia bruh, Rodman said that himself on the Dan Patrick show. I watched this dude guard everybody from Iverson to Shaq to MJ to TMAC to Malone to Barkley to Magic to Kareem to Bird to Mchale. The dude is prob the greatest defensive player ever. Prob greatest rebounder too. He was incredible to watch. See when MJ returned to the NBA who he went and got. Crazy hair and all. Side show off the court. All business on the court.

 

[shoeking2101]

That's an interesting perspective. On the MJ vs Lebron theory. Tho it would matter who Lebron had around him. MJ couldn't do it by himself. Nobody could back in the 80s. For reference 1986 was the tallest year for the NBA. Lebron prob wouldn't have been as big and strong back then cause of the lack of knowing how to diet and train properly. For instance Larry Bird ran on pavement for training. No wonder he ruptured both his achilles tendons. Lebron has shown to have ankle problems and back then soon as u go up for your jumper they would slide their foot under yours so you would turn your ankle coming down. Liambeer was famous for that.

Well what you are alluding to is the difficulties that come with cross comparing of generations which is a huge problem and I agree with you.

However, if we're playing with today's rules then Detroit has a much better chance at controlling Lebron than they did in the 80's. In the 80's the pace was much higher, defenses were far less sophisticated, he would kill Detroit. He's much more suited to be better than Detroit than say a Jordan, or Kobe or someone.

 

[shoeking2101]

It aint nostalgia bruh, Rodman said that himself on the Dan Patrick show. I watched this dude guard everybody from Iverson to Shaq to MJ to TMAC to Malone to Barkley to Magic to Kareem to Bird to Mchale. The dude is prob the greatest defensive player ever. Prob greatest rebounder too. He was incredible to watch. See when MJ returned to the NBA who he went and got. Crazy hair and all. Side show off the court. All business on the court.

He didn't stop any of those players you mentioned so how would he eat Lebron alive? HOW SWAY HOW?

There isn't any one player who's ever played the game that can stop Lebron one on one.

 

[ryanjumpman420]

He didn't stop any of those players you mentioned so how would he eat Lebron alive? HOW SWAY HOW?

There isn't any one player who's ever played the game that can stop Lebron one on one.

I just named one. And i stand by it. Take the 96 Bulls vs the 2013 Heat, and The Bulls would have killed that team seriously

 

[ryanjumpman420]

Well what you are alluding to is the difficulties that come with cross comparing of generations which is a huge problem and I agree with you.

However, if we're playing with today's rules then Detroit has a much better chance at controlling Lebron than they did in the 80's. In the 80's the pace was much higher, defenses were far less sophisticated, he would kill Detroit. He's much more suited to be better than Detroit than say a Jordan, or Kobe or someone.

Defenses aint smarter they just changed the damn rules since then.

 

[shoeking2101]

Defenses aint smarter they just changed the damn rules since then.

You don't think Defenses have gotten more sophisticated? Really?

Alright, we're done here

 

[ryanjumpman420]

You don't think Defenses have gotten more sophisticated? Really?

Alright, we're done here

Do u know how many rule changes have been made in the NBA since 1990. Maybe u need to do a little more research. Quit salivating at the NBA game of today cause I'm sorry to tell ya its not the best days for the NBA right now.

 

[ryanjumpman420]

"Dennis Rodman on The Dan Patrick Show (Part II) 6/7/13" on YouTube

 

[ryanjumpman420]

Watch "Dennis Rodman - Career Tribute |HD|" on YouTube
Dennis Rodman - Career Tribute |HD|:
Greatest defensive player of all time. Greatest rebounder of all time. IMO. Couldn't guard Lebron 1 on 1 what a joke