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It's not a lack of police, dudes are shooting at police like the next man on the street. I don't blame cops for not riding down a block that they too might get shot on.Its ridiculous. New York has large housing projects. LA has a huge gang population. Both cities have larger populations, yet nowhere near the murder rate. I think the combination of gentrification and lack of police is the real culprit
Why doesn't the NAACP come in and do something worthwhile aside from being a scapegoat? Like it's been said by a couple posters above me, people on the streets have no respect for authority- so why does it matter if there's 1 or 10 cop cars on the block? It's gonna be a never ending cycle for our population if the root cause isn't addressed! We need supervision in the family. Don't blame the schools, the cops, the system. Our president is black- that shows that anything is possible today. The world is yours, and unfortunately people are never gonna get out of the hood, the violence, the drugs if the problem isn't fixed at home. Is it the cops job to make sure our kids get the homework done? Is the teacher responsible for what his or her students do 6 hours after the final bell rings?
I hate to say it, but I really think the Bill Cosby mentality is the only way to fix problems like this. We need to stop pointing fingers and be held accountable for our actions!
You might want to take a look at the actual murder statistics. I noticed that nytimes chart makes no mention of Latinos. Latin gangs are huge in Chicago.my man
Lets be clear, im talking about black folks. Yes, black. Im lying or sugarcoating if i put it any other way. most of the killing is within the black community. and at damn near 50 in 4 weeks into 2013, thats a lotta ******g blacks killing/being killed. the no snitching clause in this mess is just the cherry on top. Now if i sound racist than so be it. I'm black and it pains me to say all this, but wtf am i supposed to say? Give reasons as to why its not black folks fault? Hardships aside, most of these killings aren't survival (food, shelter, etc) related. Its on some ********. And there is no gov't body, law, or social institution to blame more than the people themselves.
for reference http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/01/02/us/chicago-killings.html
Although Chicago has one of the most stringent gun ownership laws in the nation, most criminals caught with illegal guns never do jail time, the station reports. In New York, an illegal gun conviction carries a mandatory three to five-year prison sentence.
my man
Lets be clear, im talking about black folks. Yes, black. Im lying or sugarcoating if i put it any other way. most of the killing is within the black community. and at damn near 50 in 4 weeks into 2013, thats a lotta ******g blacks killing/being killed. the no snitching clause in this mess is just the cherry on top. Now if i sound racist than so be it. I'm black and it pains me to say all this, but wtf am i supposed to say? Give reasons as to why its not black folks fault? Hardships aside, most of these killings aren't survival (food, shelter, etc) related. Its on some ********. And there is no gov't body, law, or social institution to blame more than the people themselves.
for reference http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/01/02/us/chicago-killings.html
You might want to take a look at the actual murder statistics. I noticed that nytimes chart makes no mention of Latinos. Latin gangs are huge in Chicago.
It's a minority problem. Not a "black folks" problem.
Why doesn't the NAACP come in and do something worthwhile aside from being a scapegoat? Like it's been said by a couple posters above me, people on the streets have no respect for authority- so why does it matter if there's 1 or 10 cop cars on the block? It's gonna be a never ending cycle for our population if the root cause isn't addressed! We need supervision in the family. Don't blame the schools, the cops, the system. Our president is black- that shows that anything is possible today. The world is yours, and unfortunately people are never gonna get out of the hood, the violence, the drugs if the problem isn't fixed at home. Is it the cops job to make sure our kids get the homework done? Is the teacher responsible for what his or her students do 6 hours after the final bell rings?
I hate to say it, but I really think the Bill Cosby mentality is the only way to fix problems like this. We need to stop pointing fingers and be held accountable for our actions!
It is really simple Chicago needs the federal government to step in and help. I remember taking a class on urban development last year and the professor said that the reason DC has changed so much was due to the fact that the senators were tired of seeing DC look like a slum. Chicago needs help and they pretty much should follow a no tolerance model for ALL of their laws.
JCChambers- I am a police officer in DC and in Chicago what needs to happen is that laws need to be tighter. There laws are reflective of their liberal mayor.
JCChambers- I am a police officer in DC and in Chicago what needs to happen is that laws need to be tighter. There laws are reflective of their liberal mayor.
I will preface by saying that I am no fan of the mayor of Chicago. I don't directly blame society for these murders either, because we all have to be held responsible for our own actions. There is no quick solution, but the solution must come from within the black community and family structure, and not from an external attack.
In Chicago on a daily basis police officers frisk pedestrians with zero probable cause and no warrants, violating the Constitution freely. The old model of police officers being vanguards of the community and helpful protectors is no longer a reality. Police are becoming more militarized by the day and they are taught to react violently and lie under oath in court. Let's not even get started on rampant steroid use among law enforcement. Interactions with police are often violent and demeaning to the citizens. Every day we get a new report of police brutality or violations. How many more are not reported? How many actions of so called "bad cops" are covered up by so called "good cops"? Many children in inner city Chicago are treated like criminals in their own schools.What laws would you recommend that they "tighten"? Is murder not already punishable by life in prison? Guns are completely illegal. How would new laws solve this problem, without violating the Constitutional rights of both law abiding citizens and criminals? You say that you are a police officer, so I am sure that your view is; "Let us do whatever we want and we'll clean up the streets." That view may be viable in Iraq or Soviet Russia, but here in the United States of America, we still have a slight semblance of freedom that we are trying to hold onto without becoming a full blown police state. However, I am sure that you believe that laws need to be tighter because, as Upton Sinclair stated:
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it."
JCChambers- I am a police officer in DC and in Chicago what needs to happen is that laws need to be tighter. There laws are reflective of their liberal mayor.
I will preface by saying that I am no fan of the mayor of Chicago. I don't directly blame society for these murders either, because we all have to be held responsible for our own actions. There is no quick solution, but the solution must come from within the black community and family structure, and not from an external attack.
In Chicago on a daily basis police officers frisk pedestrians with zero probable cause and no warrants, violating the Constitution freely. The old model of police officers being vanguards of the community and helpful protectors is no longer a reality. Police are becoming more militarized by the day and they are taught to react violently and lie under oath in court. Let's not even get started on rampant steroid use among law enforcement. Interactions with police are often violent and demeaning to the citizens. Every day we get a new report of police brutality or violations. How many more are not reported? How many actions of so called "bad cops" are covered up by so called "good cops"? Many children in inner city Chicago are treated like criminals in their own schools.What laws would you recommend that they "tighten"? Is murder not already punishable by life in prison? Guns are completely illegal. How would new laws solve this problem, without violating the Constitutional rights of both law abiding citizens and criminals? You say that you are a police officer, so I am sure that your view is; "Let us do whatever we want and we'll clean up the streets." That view may be viable in Iraq or Soviet Russia, but here in the United States of America, we still have a slight semblance of freedom that we are trying to hold onto without becoming a full blown police state. However, I am sure that you believe that laws need to be tighter because, as Upton Sinclair stated:
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it."
Strong post.
Please tell us what laws in Chicago need to be "tighter" kaygee6...
I always hear people talking about it starts with the parents and that the solution to all these problems has to do with the quality of parenting these kids receive. The cliche is, "it starts at home". The thing I always wondered is how do you expect some of these parents, who never had good parenting themselves, who are stressed to the max with just providing basic needs and who really have no opportunity to better their situation to just wake up one day and start being exceptional parents? Are these parenting skills supposed to come to them in a dream? For many, good parenting skills seems like common sense, but of course those people probably had good parents, good examples to learn from. The parents are kids themselves, no matter how grown they are.
Remember that ATL security guard that tasered the mother in front of her kids? People were making comments about how they feel sorry for the kids and that the kids don't stand a chance in this world. This same kid, 10 years down the road will be in some vid stomping someone out over Jordans or getting killed in a questionable interaction with police and those same people will view that kid with disdain, as an animal that deserved what he got coming to him. That kid is now one of those people that NTers thinks deserves to be killed, tortured or locked up for life, that the world would be so much better off without.
At what point are these kids expected to start acting like the contributing adults that everyone thinks they should be? He turns 16 or 18 and all of the sudden he's supposed to have all these life skills, integrity and morality? At 13 or 14 he's a child welfare case, just a poor kid from a bad family that never had a chance. At 18 you want to lock him up and throw away the key or worse torture him to death for making poor decisions. How is it logical to expect a kid, now 20-25 years old with their own children to step up and be that perfect parent that will solve all these social issues in the community.
I think it is easy for a lot of people on the outside looking in to forget when, why and how this cycle began. You may not have the wholesale dehumanization of black folks or the targeted propagation of debilitating drugs this country once had but it is not difficult to go back over the generations and see the cause and effect of todays issues. It wasn't always like this. Less than 30 years after the slaves were freed, as blacks were cut off from the white economy, they had built their own economy to the tune of a couple billion dollars (that would be a couple billion in 1900's money, unadjusted for inflation). The crux of this growth was benevolent societies. Blacks looking out for other blacks. Building schools, educating their children all the way up through college entirely independent of the white public school system and political funding.