Originally Posted by Kevin Cleveland
Are you sure you can't just give him any credit at all because you hate him?
44/37/82, 16.5, 5, 4 and 1.5, really good advanced percentages, 20.6 PER and 14.5 win shares over 122 games. Far from "garbage."
Interesting. I wonder where all those come from. Cuz when I went back and looked thru everything, I found a lot of this.
(It's going to be long, I'm sorry, not my fault.)
I saw a top 20 most of his career post.
Kid in 03, barely did anything for that title.
05, Horry won that series, the vid Doo posted ironically showed all of Horry's plays in that game to flip the series. Like 2 of those plays, were a pass from Manu.
But man, in 07 I'm lookin at Manu and 4 points on 1-8 shooting in round 1, 33% for the series.
8 and 6 points the first two games of the next series. 41% for that one.
Played well vs Utah in the WCF, I give him that
Finals? 36%, 3 points, 0-7 game in game 3, and they won anyways. 2.5 assists. I mean, ok. He has a good game here and there, but some really atrocious games as well, for a "top 20" type guy.
So Duncan went OFF in 03, title. Manu is a kid then.
Horry won them 05 -- Dispute it, please. Do it.
Parker wins the series in 07, with Duncan. Manu? Again, some games here and there.
From then, it's pathetic. 08 vs LA, 10, 7, 7, and 9 in the 4 games they lost. He did get 30 in their only win. But really? 4 games he was worthless. In the conference finals, as a "top 20" guy? 35% A top 20 guy goes 4 outta 5 sucking that bad? I also noticed in the 05 finals, he was HORRIBLE on the road, and played good at home. That doesn't signal me as a guy that is as good as being thrown at me. Maybe that's just my way of viewing things, I dunno. I get havin a bad game or so on the road, it happens, but all 3, then play great at home? That sounds like a role guy to me.
09 he didn't play, hurt as usual.
10 they get swept in round 2, he throws out a 2-11, and a 2-8 beauty. Shot 41% for the 10 games of the playoffs.
Last year, he hit the one shot to save them a game, but they out in round 1, he really didn't do much.
Top 20, of the entire NBA? This resume?
No real game winners, no real series changing/defining moments, buzzer beaters, he was a kid in 03, saved in 05, and didn't do much in 07, but he was on the squad. His numbers are not as good as what even I expected. I don't even think much of him, and I expected a bunch of real nice games, high %'s, PER, all that other stuff, and I saw none of that.
And my OG point was, Iâm not a Manu guy, I really donât think he does anything so damn special. Heâs slithery, heâs a lefty tough herky jerky kind of angle shooter, gets shots off in weird areas, canât anticipate him well, heâs got quick hands and a pest on D, but heâs not overly physical where he canât be overmatched by stronger bigger guys.
I get heâs not a scorer type with big numbers, but he isnât exactly rebounding the hell out of the ball either, he gets 4-5 assists a game for his life, not like heâs John Stockton out there.
You all think I am nuts about Horry being in, fine, but I have many many many moments/games/series/titles that he helped generate. And he too did things that donât show up stat wise, guarding Webber, Sheed, Duncan, Malone, Amare, and whoever else over the years. Sorry to be a @#$% about this, but damn. Hell, his tackle of Nash in 07 is bigger than anything Manu ever did. Am I wrong there?
I donât really care, hall or no hall, I already think the hall is a joke for their inclusions, no big deal, but the true history of the NBA couldnât be shown without multiple Robert Horry plays/games/moments, the NBA could live on for 200 years and not show a single Manu highlight, and no one would even notice. To me, that speaks to what a guy brought to the game.
I brought up Bill Walton last night, that guy is in the HOF, but NBA wise, he was nothing. He played like 4 years, might as well induct Brandon Roy too then. @#$% Oden might as well get in, his career was derailed too. lol Now I know Walton got in for his high school and college work, I understand that, just lamenting that his NBA career was sorely lacking. JA said âBut he was a Finals MVP!!!!!â