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where did this Andre Dirrell hype train come from?

ward is going to win the whole thing

floyd needs to take notes from that interview when he is chill he is well spoken but durning them ESPN interviews he is speaking 100 Miles per hour and stutter


he needs to stop with the race card tho
 
JMM doing mitts... definitely added weight to his frame

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Anthony Dirrell has actually made it back to the ring. Came back in October of last year and already has 5 fights and another one scheduled for August 7th.Since he's been back he's gone UD4, TKO2, UD4, KO1, TKO1. His last fight was his first scheduled 6 rounder since he's been back.

And while Dirrell doesn't have a victory as good as Edison Miranda, i'd argue that his Anthony Hanshaw W is better than anything else on Ward'srecord and the Oganov win aint bad either. Froch is obviously a big step-up, but Dirrell has a couple of solid W's on his resume.

Also, Ward does have fast hands, but IMO Dirrell's are CLEARLY faster. And Ward's competition other than the Miranda fight has not been significantlybetter than Dirrell's. Ward didn't fight a live body until Rubin Williams in early '08. Ward is a good fighter, but i just don't see anythingthat'll make him special. He'll be a top 5 guy in his division in his career, maybe get a belt over a weak champion, but i don't see him ever being"the man"
 
Don't tell this dude Shane is willing to sit out the whole year and wait for PBF or PacMan.

Fight in Turkey for Berto?

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As promoter Lou DiBella put it: "In the economic world we live in today, if you can go somewhere to make a big event, you have to look at it. If they're talking millions of dollars in a soccer stadium, you have to look at it."

That's the scenario that could send welterweight titlist Andre Berto to Turkey to face Selcuk Aydin if Berto doesn't wind up making a deal to fight titleholder Shane Mosley, said DiBella, who promotes Berto.

DiBella said Arena-Box promoter Ahmet Öner, who promotes Turkey's Aydin, has contacted him about putting together the fight at a stadium in Istanbul.

"They've got to come up with millions, but Ahmet is working on it on his end," DiBella said. "The Turkish government would be involved. I guess they want to bring a big championship fight there. Ahmet said he'll get back to me."

"We are working to make it happen," Öner told me in an e-mail. "It is not easy because Turkish TV is paying, but not like HBO for a boxing event. The government is really interested, but we will see how big."

DiBella said Berto (25-0, 19 KOs) is willing to go overseas -- without the support of HBO if necessary -- to make his fourth defense "if the money is substantial and we have assurances from the WBC about the neutrality of the judges and referee. Andre would be going into a sold-out place where everyone is rooting for him to get killed. But if the money is good enough, he'll go. Andre is a professional. Ahmet is talking about substantial money. When he talks about substantial money, I listen."

Berto has a mandatory due against Luis Collazo, whom he edged via close decision in January, but there are issues making the rematch because HBO is not going to substantially increase what it paid for the first bout and Collazo wants more for himself than the entire license HBO is willing to pay, DiBella said. But DiBella said Berto-Aydin would be worth enough money "that it would allow us to pay Collazo to step aside. Aydin is the next mandatory after Collazo anyway, so we'd be flipping the order and paying Collazo for it."

DiBella said he's spoken to Collazo promoter Don King, who was receptive about the possible scenario.

Aydin (19-0, 15 KOs), a 2004 Olympian like Berto, earned his spot as the next mandatory challenger (and won the vacant European title) with an exciting ninth-round knockout of Jackson Bonsu on July 11. It was a terrific fight and Aydin would be a handful for Berto.

DiBella said he is considering Aydin because talks for a fight between Berto and Mosley have gone nowhere.

"I haven't gotten an offer other than what I already turned down from Golden Boy," DiBella said. "It was $750,000, less than we've been paid for our last few fights and the kid [Berto] isn't taking less to fight Mosley than he has for other defenses when this is much bigger fight."

DiBella said that if Berto goes overseas, he has a suggestion for Mosley -- for him to fight another of DiBella's fighters, former welterweight titlist Kermit Cintron, who would love the fight.
 
PLEASE TELL ME THIS ##+* IM HEARING ABOUT VERNON FOREST BEING SHOT AND KILLED IS TOTALLY NOT TRUE....
and now Andre Berto say same thingon his twitter

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[h1]Police: Ex-boxing champion Forrest killed in Ga.[/h1] [h3]By CHARLES ODUM[/h3] [h3]AP Sports Writer[/h3]
ATLANTA -- Police say former boxing champion Vernon Forrest has been shot and killed in an apparent robbery.

Atlanta Police Sgt. Lisa Keyes said in an e-mail Sunday that Forrest may have been robbed and was shot "multiple times in the back" Saturday night in Atlanta.

Keyes says there are no suspects.

Mark Guilbeau, an investigator with the Fulton County Medical Examiner's office, said an autopsy is planned for Sunday.

Forrest, a native of Augusta, Ga., who lived in Atlanta, was a member of the 1992 Olympic team. He was also a former WBC super welterweight champion.

The 38-year-old took two wins over Sugar Shane Mosley in 2002. On Sept. 13, 2008, Forrest reclaimed his WBC 154-pound title by beating Sergio Mora.
 
According to a recent report in The Sunday Mirror, Ricky Hatton's recent stay in the hospital was due to an illness brought on by his wild lifestyle that is filled with very poor eating habits and long nights at the pub. Hatton, who has a heart murmur, was told by doctors that he needed to stay away from booze and stay on a good diet - or his life could be at risk. During his stay at the hospital, doctors found an irregular heatbeat, according to the paper.

A source close to Hatton told the paper that Ricky wants to continue his career and doesn't see anything wrong with his current physical condition. Hatton refused to comment on his health when reached by the paper.

"Ricky thinks it's all a storm in a teacup, feels fit as a fiddle and wants to carry on training and fighting," the source said.

floyd and many others said this would happen

He said it - not me. The retired, and undefeated former champion, Joe Calzaghe, believes that he can beat any of the top fighters at super middleweight and light heavyweight - and he is so confident of his talents that he also believes that he can rise up in weight and beat the 6'6 WBO/IBF heavyweight champion Wladimir Klitschko.

"I see the guys fighting now and I know I could beat them all," Calzaghe told Walesonline. "That's always the case. I'm Joe Calzaghe, I could beat anyone. I could step up and beat Wladimir Klitschko if I wanted."

As far as retirement, Calzaghe does not miss the training or the fighting. He does miss the money and the roar of the crowd.

"At the moment everything is still good," Calzaghe says. "I'm not missing fighting one little bit. I don't miss getting punched in the face, I don't missing starving myself and I'm not missing running up those big hills. I am missing the pay cheques and having 50,000 people screaming my name though."

Calzaghe did not miss the opportunity to take a few shots at his UK rival, WBC super middleweight champion Carl Froch. Calzaghe doesn't think much of Froch or his talent and doesn't give him much of a chance in Showtime's Super Six tournament. He feels Froch will take a bad beating in the tournament.

"If you are asking what I think of Carl Froch and whether I'm tempted to come back and fight him, then my answer is simple. I'm watching him getting beaten up already, so I don't need to bother. I watched Jermain Taylor kick his *#%% for 12 rounds the other week. All right, Froch did well in that last 12 seconds, but I'm not fooled. He is in that Super Six series now and I don't even think he will know his name by the time that's finished. It doesn't need me coming back for that to happen," Calzaghe said.


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R.I.P to Vernon Forrest i will always remember his 2 wins over Shane Mosley and that first fight vs Mayorga was a huge upset loss.
 
R.I.P damn what is going on the this year and Vernon was one of the truly good guys around did a lot of charity work and everything
 
In popular imagination, boxing is full of snakes, back-stabbers and thieves. Personal observation lends credence to the caricature, but also reveals another side of the sport that outsiders often miss: It is also full of kindness and consideration, an admittedly dysfunctional extended family whose members look out for one another in times of need.

People are almost invariably surprised to hear me say this, but some of the nicest people I have ever met are professional fighters.

Even by that standard, however, Vernon Forrest stood out.

As the boxing community struggled to come to terms with the news that Forrest had been murdered after resisting an attempted carjacking in Atlanta on Saturday night, friends and fellow fighters remembered him.

"I'll tell you one personal observation that showed me that Vernon was the genuine article," veteran publicist Fred Sternburg said on Sunday. "My dad died last August and the first event I worked after that was Vernon's world title rematch with Sergio Mora on Sept. 13. I was in the media center that week, getting ready for the final press conference and Vernon came up to me, pulled me aside and told me how sorry he was to hear about my dad's passing and wanted to know how I was doing. We weren't close friends, just had a cordial working relationship. But I will never forget him coming over to me and his kind words. I've worked with a lot of fighters, many on a much closer basis than Vernon, but he was the only one to show me that depth of kindness."

Sternburg's fellow publicist, Kelly Swanson, who had worked with Forrest since 2001, described him as "not only my client; he was my friend."

Forrest, Swanson continued, "was a feisty one, and always, always spoke his mind. And yet, he was such a gentleman too, always giving back to those less fortunate and appreciating what others did for him. He would go out of his way to call and thank me profusely for the coverage he received. I will miss him dearly and he will forever hold a special place in my heart."

Other fighters, too, felt the loss keenly.

"This one hurts real bad," said junior middleweight Ishe Smith, who sparred with Forrest to help him prepare for his rematch with Mora. "I don't usually befriend other fighters, but Vernon was different. He was so cool and down to Earth."

"I always looked up to and respected Vernon Forrest, he was a real guy," added former junior lightweight world champion Steve Forbes. "He spoke his mind and was one of the coolest, supportive fighters I've known. He would always call me little Stevie the Slickster. He will be missed."

Forrest's career scaled great heights, most notably his two wins against Shane Mosley in 2002, but it had its frustrations as well. There were two defeats to Ricardo Mayorga, the trash-talking Nicaraguan whom Forrest allowed to get under his skin. And there were the injuries, which caused him great pain and led to surgeries and much time away from the sport.

But outside the ring, his legacy endures. Not just through memories of individual acts of kindness, but through his concerted effort to make at least one part of the world a better place. He started Destiny's Child, a foundation for people with mental disabilities in Atlanta, in 1998 after seeing an autistic child struggle to tie his shoes.

"If you sit there and watch a person take about an hour to tie his shoestrings, then you realize that whatever problems you got ain't that significant," he said in a 2006 interview with The New York Times.

All of which serves only to make the violent way in which he met his end so much harder to comprehend. In such circumstances, there is always the temptation to somehow make sense of it all, but it is the very randomness that strikes home. If his tires had not needed air, if he had not stopped at that particular gas station at that particular time to fix the problem, perhaps he would be with us still.

Instead, following a moment of madness and a burst of gunfire, he is dead. A family grieves for a devoted brother, son and father. And for the third time in a month, boxing mourns the loss of one of its own -- one of the truly good guys in a sport that is full of them.

Kieran Mulvaney covers boxing for ESPN.com and Reuters.
 
To try to get back to some kind of normalcy...


2. Vitali Klitschko (37-2)

Representatives for Klitschko and former cruiserweight champ David Haye had come to an agreement for them to meet Sept. 12 in an HBO fight in Germany until the Haye side threw a curveball, going behind the Klitschko camp's back and signing to fight Nikolai Valuev instead. So now Klitschko is in talks for a fall fight with American Cris Arreola, possibly in Los Angeles.
Next: TBA.


8. Samuel Peter (31-3)

The former titleholder shook off a two-fight losing streak by easily blowing out journeyman Marcus McGee via third-round knockout July 25 in his first fight since signing with Top Rank.
Next: TBA.




1. Bernard Hopkins (49-5-1)


Hopkins blew a fight with cruiserweight champ Tomasz Adamek with a laughable offer but now says he is content to wait until January to fight. Hopkins said he is interested in facing the winner of the Nov. 7 Chad Dawson-Glen Johnson fight. If the bout happens, Hopkins, who owns a TKO win against Johnson in a middleweight title defense, would fight right around his 45th birthday.
Next: TBA.



6. Allan Green (28-1)

Having been overlooked for Showtime's tournament, he's been offered a fight with Sakio Bika on the Sept. 19 Floyd Mayweather-Juan Manuel Marquez HBO PPV undercard.
Next: TBA.


8. Sakio Bika (27-3-2)

The winner of the third season of "The Contender" returns to the ring in Australia to fight Ramon Pedro Moyano with a possible fight against Green looming.
Next: July 30 vs. Moyano.




1. Kelly Pavlik (35-1)

There are serious talks going on between Pavlik promoter Top Rank and the camp of Paul Williams for a fall fight HBO has offered about $3.75 million for. The sides are arguing over the revenue split, but hopefully sanity will prevail and they can make what would be one of the biggest fights of the year.
Next: TBA.




8. Winky Wright (51-5-1).

Although he is coming off a lopsided loss to Paul Williams, Wright has been mentioned as a possible opponent for Pavlik in the fall. There was also some talk of a fight with Sturm, and Wright is willing to travel to Germany for the opportunity.
Next: TBA.



1. Paul Williams (37-1)


Williams could land a big fall fight with middleweight champ Kelly Pavlik, but only if Williams' camp -- promoter Dan Goossen and manager Al Haymon -- comes to the realization that it's Pavlik who generates the money. Williams always says nobody will fight him, but now Pavlik is willing to give his side more than $1.5 million. That apparently isn't enough, even though Williams doesn't bring all that much to the table economically. If Williams wants a significant fight and wants to fight for the title, he's going to have to be financially realistic. If the fight doesn't happen, it's the fault of Williams & Co., not Pavlik.
Next: TBA.




4. Andre Berto (25-0)

Berto has some options. Promoter Lou DiBella can continue negotiating for a fall fight with Mosley, he can try to make a mandatory rematch with Luis Collazo, or he can continue talking to the handlers of Selcuk Aydin, who have proposed a possible big-money fight in Turkey.
Next: TBA.


1. Humberto Soto (48-7-2)


Soto may give up his belt and move up to lightweight, where Top Rank promoter Bob Arum is interested in matching him with 135-pound titlist Edwin Valero on the Miguel Cotto-Manny Pacquiao undercard Nov. 14. That would add a great undercard fight to a sensational main event.
Next: TBA.




4. Z Gorres (29-2-2)

The Philippines' Gorres is in talks to sign with Top Rank. If it happens, look for Gorres to fight on the Sept. 5 "Latin Fury 11" pay-per-view card in Mexico.
Next: TBA.

 
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